Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #12

[sleepinoz]

He has done a lot that has surprised me. He has just never said anything to suggest he would. We never talked about him needing to leave. We always spoke as if it was assumed he was innocent.

Even at times when I suspected. We had already discussed his phone being tapped. I wouldn't have gotten a straight answer. He wouldn't have admitted to it that way. I'm not sure if he would ever tell me. I hope he wouldn't ever feel that it would be okay to tell me.

Solus, was there anything in particular that happened to make you alter your feelings on GR's guilt.

You seem to have completely changed your mind on the situation and very little information has been released in MSN.

 

[Solus]

Solus, was there anything in particular that happened to make you alter your feelings on GR's guilt.

You seem to have completely changed your mind on the situation and very little information has been released in MSN.

When he was out on bail. We spoke a lot. He was very angry at Jen for causing all of this. He would list all of the things that he has lost. However Jen was never one of them.

I'm divorced, but I would feel a huge loss if something happened to my ex. While I don't have the same love as I once did. She held a huge part of my heart for a long time. She is the mother of my kids. I will always care for her. Even loving someone else doesn't remove that past we had.

I don't understand how he can't see her as a victim in this as well. Even if this would have been a direct result of something she did. <Mod Snip>. She is still a victim which he doesn't see. Or at least can't admit.

I'm very aware though that if I'm wrong. I'm betraying the trust of someone who has always been nothing but a friend to me. His advise and support probably saved my life a few years ago. At the very least I'm a better person because I've known him. This is not being done lightly.

 

[sleepinoz]

When he was out on bail. We spoke a lot. He was very angry at Jen for causing all of this. He would list all of the things that he has lost. However Jen was never one of them.

I'm divorced, but I would feel a huge loss if something happened to my ex. While I don't have the same love as I once did. She held a huge part of my heart for a long time. She is the mother of my kids. I will always care for her. Even loving someone else doesn't remove that past we had.

I don't understand how he can't see her as a victim in this as well. Even if this would have been a direct result of something she did.<Mod Snip>. She is still a victim which he doesn't see. Or at least can't admit.

I'm very aware though that if I'm wrong. I'm betraying the trust of someone who has always been nothing but a friend to me. His advise and support probably saved my life a few years ago. At the very least I'm a better person because I've known him. This is not being done lightly.

Thanks Solus, I appreciate your imput here and understand it's not easy to think a friend could be involved in anything like this.

Another question, you mentioned before that GR think's he can beat a case of circumstantial evidence - I don't know but I would have to think they have more than circumstantial evidence, they waited along time for forensics.

Did he at any time tell you anything about what evidence LE has?

 

[Solus]

Thanks Solus, I appreciate your imput here and understand it's not easy to think a friend could be involved in anything like this.

Another question, you mentioned before that GR think's he can beat a case of circumstantial evidence - I don't know but I would have to think they have more than circumstantial evidence, they waited along time for forensics.

Did he at any time tell you anything about what evidence LE has?

No, he said he wasn't allowed to talk about it. He said his lawyers also told him that if he discusses the case with others, online or media that they will drop him.

 

[Jilllian]

No, he said he wasn't allowed to talk about it. He said his lawyers also told him that if he discusses the case with others, online or media that they will drop him.

They are going to have their hands full with GR, Solus.
They'll have to convince him to better feign loss than his acting debut in those interviews.
GR will want to run the show, and his lawyers are going to go nutz!

 

[zwiebel]

Of course his lawyer doesn't want him to talk to media. There have been too many holes in his story already. I bet his lawyer wishes he could wipe all those interviews off the map.

I still wonder if the last interview marked the point where GR had first consulted a lawyer.

I don't think you are betraying a friendship, Solus. I think it's already been betrayed.

 

[zwiebel]

Why on earth would GR tell police and a friend he intended to divorce Jennifer, and yet tell the press the opposite - hint that it was her wanting out? Did he think no-one would notice the contradiction?

 

[Abigail]

When he was out on bail. We spoke a lot. He was very angry at Jen for causing all of this. He would list all of the things that he has lost. However Jen was never one of them.

I'm divorced, but I would feel a huge loss if something happened to my ex. While I don't have the same love as I once did. She held a huge part of my heart for a long time. She is the mother of my kids. I will always care for her. Even loving someone else doesn't remove that past we had.

I don't understand how he can't see her as a victim in this as well. Even if this would have been a direct result of something she did. <Mod Snip>. She is still a victim which he doesn't see. Or at least can't admit.

I'm very aware though that if I'm wrong. I'm betraying the trust of someone who has always been nothing but a friend to me. His advise and support probably saved my life a few years ago. At the very least I'm a better person because I've known him. This is not being done lightly.

Solus, this was exactly what I was observing when I was re-watching the videos of GR's interviews. At no time -- not once -- in ANY interview (before Jennifer's body was found) did he express any concern about Jennifer's well-being or safety. He said, "One day I have hope, the next day..." but hope for what? He didn't say, "I hope she's ok, I hope she's safe, I hope she comes back home." It was all about how Jennifer's missing had caused so much pain -- to him, to the kids, to her parents. Blaming the victim. Actually, becoming the victim -- the one who had been hurt, who had been wronged. "It's brutal"

 

[Abigail]

The passport info is very important, I think.

Solus...do you happen to know if GR's passport that expired was American or Dutch? Do you happen to know when it expired?

 

[Solus]

Solus...do you happen to know if GR's passport that expired was American or Dutch? Do you happen to know when it expired?

I'm not positive, I never saw it. He told me it was expired, after discussing how the DA stated he was a flight risk.

 

[Foxfire]

Just wanted to stop in and say hey... Lurk from time to time for updates.. Been following the Iowa girls abductions/murders..tragic/silence strategy... Investigators are now releasing info to the public after almost 11 months..

Welcome Solus..Interesting insight.. Wasn't Jennifer's fault.. Very few divorces end in homicide. There are many, many victims in Jennifer Ramsaran's tragic case.. GR, absolutely is not one of them...imo

 

[zwiebel]

Solus, this was exactly what I was observing when I was re-watching the videos of GR's interviews. At no time -- not once -- in ANY interview (before Jennifer's body was found) did he express any concern about Jennifer's well-being or safety. He said, "One day I have hope, the next day..." but hope for what? He didn't say, "I hope she's ok, I hope she's safe, I hope she comes back home." It was all about how Jennifer's missing had caused so much pain -- to him, to the kids, to her parents. Blaming the victim. Actually, becoming the victim -- the one who had been hurt, who had been wronged. "It's brutal"

The thing that really stuck in my mind was when he said it was 'unfair' to the kids, and to Jennifer's parents.
1) He'd already said he'd fallen out with Jennifer's loved ones and 'expressed annoyance', so we know he couldn't have cared less if something was unfair to them or not. I think that was a deliberate barb to upset them, disguised as 'caring' about them.
2) Using the word 'unfair' is only appropriate if he thought (or was trying to imply to the world) that Jennifer had somehow willingly disappeared. Nobody fell for it.

ETA: Well, except for a few, very notable exceptions.

 

[imamaze]

We are not allowed to speculate about a victim. I've unapproved the conversation about this until I get clarification as to if we can discuss that info.

Will let you all know when I find out.

:tyou:

 

[Abigail]

We are not allowed to speculate about a victim. I've unapproved the conversation about this until I get clarification as to if we can discuss that info.

Will let you all know when I find out.

:tyou:

Thanks -- in the meantime, I'd just like to point out a few things (trying not to cross the line into areas not allowed):

1) By his own account, GR did not have access to Jennifer's phone after her death. He said he located it under the bridge using the app, and immediately called 911. LE came directly, and probably still have the phone in their possession (and of course, LE would have checked to see to whom Jennifer was sending or receiving calls or texts, and followed through on that). GR would have no knowlege of what was on Jen's phone, or who she'd been calling or texting.

2) By GR's own account, he did not enter their bedroom for several weeks after Jen died. However, the police did, in the first week. They spent 4 days searching that house from one end to the other, and you had better believe they'd have spent plenty of time searching that bedroom -- going through personal things to find some sort of clue -- they'd have been specifically looking for things like receipts, mailings, bank transactions and the like. Their computer gurus would have gone through their computers, looking to see what messages had been passed back and forth. Anything of that nature would be in police possession, and of course, would have been followed through, if it led anywhere.

 

[Solus]

Thanks -- in the meantime, I'd just like to point out a few things (trying not to cross the line into areas not allowed):

1) By his own account, GR did not have access to Jennifer's phone after her death. He said he located it under the bridge using the app, and immediately called 911. LE came directly, and probably still have the phone in their possession (and of course, LE would have checked to see to whom Jennifer was sending or receiving calls or texts, and followed through on that). GR would have no knowlege of what was on Jen's phone, or who she'd been calling or texting.

2) By GR's own account, he did not enter their bedroom for several weeks after Jen died. However, the police did, in the first week. They spent 4 days searching that house from one end to the other, and you had better believe they'd have spent plenty of time searching that bedroom -- going through personal things to find some sort of clue -- they'd have been specifically looking for things like receipts, mailings, bank transactions and the like. Their computer gurus would have gone through their computers, looking to see what messages had been passed back and forth. Anything of that nature would be in police possession, and of course, would have been followed through, if it led anywhere.

Regarding Number 1) That is my understanding as well. Though the numbers that a text is sent to is available on your phone bill I believe. iTunes purchase history was looked at as well, to attempt to identify the games that had been played recently. *Disclaimer* Not suggesting that she was playing games. Just that when she first disappeared that was what I thought had happened. I recommended that he check the iTunes folder on the hard drive which would have had a backup of those apps as well.

<Mod Snip>

 

[upstate]

Regarding Number 1) That is my understanding as well. Though the numbers that a text is sent to is available on your phone bill I believe. iTunes purchase history was looked at as well, to attempt to identify the games that had been played recently. *Disclaimer* Not suggesting that she was playing games. Just that when she first disappeared that was what I thought had happened. I recommended that he check the iTunes folder on the hard drive which would have had a backup of those apps as well.

<Mod Snip>

Thanks for everything Solus, it really means a lot and I'm happy to have you here!

 

[BearAngel]

We are not allowed to speculate about a victim. I've unapproved the conversation about this until I get clarification as to if we can discuss that info.

Will let you all know when I find out.

:tyou:

has this been clarified yet?

 

[Kimster]

has this been clarified yet?

I don't think so. The manager that Imamaze is waiting to hear from is not available yet. Hold on. :hug:

 

[zwiebel]

Solus, I'd be very interested to know what scope of projects GR was involved in, to get an idea where his skill set was geared. I'm not asking for details of companies or anything, just a rough outline will do.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Regarding Number 1) That is my understanding as well. Though the numbers that a text is sent to is available on your phone bill I believe. iTunes purchase history was looked at as well, to attempt to identify the games that had been played recently. *Disclaimer* Not suggesting that she was playing games. Just that when she first disappeared that was what I thought had happened. I recommended that he check the iTunes folder on the hard drive which would have had a backup of those apps as well.

<Mod Snip>

I believe she did. I don't think I'm speculating here, because I think Pob was verified? And Pob confirmed Jennifer did play a bit - including the morning she disappeared, I think. And he/she was certain it was Jennifer that communicated with them - mostly about the children. Perfectly innocent conversations, anyway.

I think it was a game about Camelot, or farms. I got a bit lost during that discussion, actually.