Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #12

[Janeumayer]

Now that Solus' posts are back up on page 15, I can see that GR had planned the divorce way in advance. Knowing now, that he was so certain he was keeping both the kids and the house, makes sense why he told Jenn to stop working. A judge would find it hard to give full custody to someone who does not have means to provide for herself, let alone kids. Makes me so mad.

 

[Solus]

Now that Solus' posts are back up on page 15, I can see that GR had planned the divorce way in advance. Knowing now, that he was so certain he was keeping both the kids and the house, makes sense why he told Jenn to stop working. A judge would find it hard to give full custody to someone who does not have means to provide for herself, let alone kids. Makes me so mad.

Anyone know when he asked her to quit working?

 

[zwiebel]

Did you mean page 30, Janeumayer? I can't see any posts from Solus on page 15.

Now that Solus' posts are back up on page 15, I can see that GR had planned the divorce way in advance. Knowing now, that he was so certain he was keeping both the kids and the house, makes sense why he told Jenn to stop working. A judge would find it hard to give full custody to someone who does not have means to provide for herself, let alone kids. Makes me so mad.

 

[zwiebel]

Anyone know when he asked her to quit working?

It's a little vague, but in this article here Joe M says an eight-month period from 'late 2011 until mid 2012'.


http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1874096392/Ex-client-Ramsaran-was-devoted-mom?mobRedir=false

ETA: That article also mentions Jennifer confided to the man she worked in about 'problems she was having in her home life' and she 'was worked up about that'.

 

[cluciano63]

Now that Solus' posts are back up on page 15, I can see that GR had planned the divorce way in advance. Knowing now, that he was so certain he was keeping both the kids and the house, makes sense why he told Jenn to stop working. A judge would find it hard to give full custody to someone who does not have means to provide for herself, let alone kids. Makes me so mad.

But stay-at-home moms often get physical custody and the house. He would have had to pay alimony and child support, IMO. I think the only way he would have had won custody is if he could prove she was unfit. But most judges go with a stay-at-home mom over a dad still. Her being at home with the kids would actually be in her favor, more than not.

 

[nanasbabes]

For the record to place that in context:
It was discussing a theory of what may have caused a reaction from GR.

I'm not suggesting that she had an affair. Maybe admiration or interest would be a better term, than smitten.

It could have provided just enough courage to have confronted G. If there was an argument and she told him that another man was making her feel better about herself, well then it may have made him snap.

Solus have you ever thought GR may of used part of your life for putting a story together about Jenn. I mean being you said you are divorced, and he puts so many stories together and you have children etc? i'm not sure if I am making sense at all but with ES and GR confiding things about them to you, I was just wondering if you have thought that some things GR knows about you, He could of put a story together about Jenn. I guess I mean he came up with the 10 registered sex offenders on rt. 23, and put that thought when Jenn was missing into so many peoples heads, he just about got people to believe it. But he didn't do all his homework because the house he talked about with them living in had been shut down. I guess i'm rambling so if any of you do understand my babble please help me sort it out! LOL :blushing:

 

[Solus]

Solus have you ever thought GR may of used part of your life for putting a story together about Jenn. I mean being you said you are divorced, and he puts so many stories together and you have children etc? i'm not sure if I am making sense at all but with ES and GR confiding things about them to you, I was just wondering if you have thought that some things GR knows about you, He could of put a story together about Jenn. I guess I mean he came up with the 10 registered sex offenders on rt. 23, and put that thought when Jenn was missing into so many peoples heads, he just about got people to believe it. But he didn't do all his homework because the house he talked about with them living in had been shut down. I guess i'm rambling so if any of you do understand my babble please help me sort it out! LOL :blushing:

I've haven't thought of it before but I will. However, sex offenders have never had anything to do with my life, lol

I don't think that is what you meant though. At least hope, lol

 

[nanasbabes]

I've haven't thought of it before but I will. However, sex offenders have never had anything to do with my life, lol

I don't think that is what you meant though. At least hope, lol

No didn't mean sex offenders had to do with you lol just babbling about what GR said when Jenn first went missing that there were sex offenders (10) that lived in a house on rt 23. I was just thinking that most of GRs words are somehow out of a book or someone elses life. I hurt for the kids and what they went threw even in public by him before he was arrested. It is so sad people can give life to children but hurt them at the same time

 

[LivingJuicy]

“Jen would NEVER EVER leave our kids and I willingly ... I hate to say this but I have given up hope that she’ll be found safe and sound”

Makes me sick.

IMO, I think that Jenn had a strong feeling that her husband was cheating on her. She may or may not have known for a fact that it was with ES but I bet that she surely suspected. At the very least she had to suspect that HE was interested or had developed feelings. I think that ES probably hid it better and hid behind the veil of being married and having her own life. I would bet that Jenn was probably (like myself and a lot of other women) too proud to confront ES out of fear of looking insecure or 2nd runner up in her own marriage. I would think that she was a lot more confrontational with GR about it.

I believe that she wanted out of the horribly sad homelife but was sad to go through an actual divorce. She was the ultimate mother - her world was being rocked.

I'm sure that ES and GR went back and forth often about their future plans together. I bet that ES probably gave ultimatums at time and that GR made a lot of promises.

I'm sure that it was simple to GR - eliminate Jenn in all ways and his future can be wide open with ES - who he was in love with and felt was his lifetime soul mate.

And all the nonsense of accusations towards Jenn make me sick.

 

[Solus]

No didn't mean sex offenders had to do with you lol just babbling about what GR said when Jenn first went missing that there were sex offenders (10) that lived in a house on rt 23. I was just thinking that most of GRs words are somehow out of a book or someone elses life. I hurt for the kids and what they went threw even in public by him before he was arrested. It is so sad people can give life to children but hurt them at the same time

It is possible. Me and him have discussed many times that every convincing lie has a partial truth in it.

I've always been big into online games. He is well aware that I've met people online. I had one move from Alaska to live with me for a time. I have become "smitten" with women online. I've spent - more times than I care to admit - up all night having long conversations with strangers.

It is why, I so easily believed what I was told about Jen. <modsnip>

While I lived in Europe, never England.

If there is another part of his story your alluding to, I can't think of it.

I do feel for the kids. His oldest and mine are less than a week apart in age. Another of his kids has a birthday less than five days from my other. It is tragic.

 

[Abigail]

Yes they, but I don't know who that was referring to.

I don't remember the exact date. Nov 3rd was the Savannah race and it was the next week that he left. I think those races were the weekend of the Nov 10th 2012.

I believe he arrived back in NY on Nov 13th.

OK, thanks, this gives us a lot more to work with.

For one thing "they" got their claws into her -- plural. This doesn't sound like a paramour -- it sounds more like several people became her support system. People she shared her marital problems with -- especially that GR was wanting custody of the children. (My guess is that GR was trying to manipulate her into a quickie, cheapie divorce with no lawyers involved). Maybe she shared with her family -- her parents or sister. But I think much more likely it was her team or guild or whatever you call it that she played with on the Camelot game -- the people she communicated with throughout the day, and talked about her kids. Several of them were in England. We know from POB's comments that she discussed her children frequently with her gaming friends. So...it would be natural for her to be really upset and say something like, "He's wanting to take the kids!" And they would be Johnny-on-the-spot with advice. "Don't stand for it, honey" "Go see a lawyer and stand up for your rights" They'd be outlining for her all the stuff I listed about 7 or 8 pages back -- about how it would be likely that she would win the kids in a custody dispute, and that would mean she'd probably also get the house, and of course child support, maybe even spousal support, and to top it all off, GR would probably have to pay her legal fees. They may have also been encouraging her to confront ES, and try to talk her into leving GR alone.

So...GR gets back home around Nov. 13 or so, and instead of his normal compliant wife, he's confronted with a fiesty lady who announces, "There's no way in HELL you're taking my kids!" At this point in time, she's armed with confidence and information and support, and GR can't get her to back down.

So...at this point, the gaming friends in England become the ENEMY in GR's mind, because they are interfering with his manipulations of Jen.

 

[BrownRice]

Did you mean page 30, Janeumayer? I can't see any posts from Solus on page 15.

I only have 10 pages thus far in this thread. What post number is it - that might be better since we all have different computer settings making our page numbers different apparently.

 

[imamaze]

I only have 10 pages thus far in this thread. What post number is it - that might be better since we all have different computer settings making our page numbers different apparently.

I think its this...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210007&page=30

 

[Abigail]

Anyone know when he asked her to quit working?

I don't know when he "asked" her, but I believe one of our verified insiders mentioned she stopped working in the early summer -- maybe June?

I think by that point in time, ES and GR had become lovers.

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Solus, when ES moved back with her husband (and where the heck was she living in the meantime) -- did you get the feeling from GR that this was a mutual decision? That GR had committed to trying to make the marriage work? Or, was he heart-broken, angry, frustrated?

 

[Solus]

I don't know when he "asked" her, but I believe one of our verified insiders mentioned she stopped working in the early summer -- maybe June?

I think by that point in time, ES and GR had become lovers.

**
Solus, when ES moved back with her husband (and where the heck was she living in the meantime) -- did you get the feeling from GR that this was a mutual decision? That GR had committed to trying to make the marriage work? Or, was he heart-broken, angry, frustrated?

No GR was not happy about it. He had cancelled the cell phone that he was paying for. He was depressed and angry.

 

[Abigail]

OK, I'm trying to work out a timeline of events from Fall until Jennifer died, so Solus or anyone else, help me out if I've got it wrong.

September Ramsarans take in ES's dogs. The plan is for ES to move in with them because of alleged problems at ES's home. However, for some reason, this doesn't take place. GR adds a line to the family plan for ES to have her own phone (sometime in September/October).

First week of November GR is staying at Solus' house. He confides in Solus that he is planning to divorce Jennifer and he is sure he will get the house and kids. He sends a text to Jennifer that he wants a divorce. Jennifer is very upset. Jennifer & GR Facetime a lot during this week. Jennifer appears to have become aware of the affair at this point. She refers to ES as the "trophy wife."

@Nov 9 GR leaves Solus' house to go to Savannah for the race. At this point in time, I believe I'm correct in assuming that GR is still intending to divorce Jen, but has decided to wait until after the holidays, for the kids' sake.

Nov 9 - 13 GR goes to Savannah for the race and then travels home. It is during this period of time that GR believes something happened to Jennifer (or so he is saying) -- "they" "got their claws into her."

Nov. 13 - Thanksgiving weekend ??? What happens?

Thanksgiving - Dec 2 In this week, Jen convinces ES that GR is happy being with Jen.

Dec. 2 ES moves back in with her husband. GR cancels ES's cell phone he has been paying for. GR is depressed and angry.

Dec 2-9 Some time during this week ES and Jennifer go on a shopping excursion together (remember that about the only shopping option in Norwich is Super Walmart, so they probably took a day trip to Syracuse or Broome County). ES has just moved back in with her husband that same week. This is probably when Jen spent the $300 on clothing for herself. ES reports that JR (allegedly) couldn't stop talking about someone in England and was shopping for his favorite cologne.

Dec 7 Jen gets a new haircut

Dec. 11 Jennifer dies in her home at the hands of her husband (accdg to LE)

 

[epiphany]

&#8220;The week before (the disappearance) she spent $300 on brand-new clothes just for herself, and got a new haircut the Friday before she went missing,&#8221; he said. &#8220;There were lots of different changes.&#8221;

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1525009601/Missing-womans-husband-speaks/print

Life really stinks sometimes! All the money one's wife is spending on clothes for herself, when a husband's got a mistress' cell phone bill to pay each month!

 

[Sharoneonta]

“The week before (the disappearance) she spent $300 on brand-new clothes just for herself, and got a new haircut the Friday before she went missing,” he said. “There were lots of different changes.”

http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1525009601/Missing-womans-husband-speaks/print

Life stinks! All the money one's wife is spending on clothes for herself, when a husband's got a mistress' cell phone bill to pay each month!

Yup. I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Solus]

A separate cell phone/different number for himself that he communicated with ES on, or was GR paying for ES's cell phone bill?

It was my understanding that Jen knew of the phone. It was purchased because GR and Jen wanted OW to move in. Due to issues at her home. She had had this phone for a month or two I believe, possibly longer.

 

[epiphany]

It was my understanding that Jen knew of the phone. It was purchased because GR and Jen wanted OW to move in. Due to issues at her home. She had had this phone for a month or two I believe, possibly longer.

Did Jen know GR was footing the bill, or did he add another line on his family plan (cheaper)?

Or IBM picking up all or chunk of GR's cell phone family plan?