Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #14

[Abigail]

Excuse my ignorance, what's the CCSO where Remy called Eileen so many times from?

Chenango County Sheriff's Office (where the jail is)

 

[zwiebel]

Egads!!! Let's see...he's been in jail about 15 months...so if he's still be trying to call her in last few months, that averages out to about 6 calls a day!! I suppose not all of them went through...but still, that's a lot of calls from jail...I didn't even know a prisoner was allowed to make that many calls.

From stuff I've seen and heard, that would have made him pretty unpopular with fellow prisoners, because they have to wait in line etc. I doubt they'd have appreciated seeing GR hunched over the ohone in front of them, 6 times a day.

 

[Abigail]

Been reading back through the last thread and I guess it's time I said something. I was a mistress for years. Didn't know his wife. I was single. But I was an easy mark for someone who was charming and caring and he did that so well. I went from being physically assaulted to the most precious thing in someone's life. He called me two or three times a day whereever he was in the world, and would drive two hours just for a five minute hug. He promised me that he would leave, but only once the kids were out of school and I was so dumb I believed him. I thought I was doing the right thing in waiting - and believe me, I felt no guilt. His friends accepted us and often told me how much happier he was with me. Of course after a while that started to slip, and he became very self centred. He wasn't interested in my day and would subtly undermine my achievements. He was prone to black moods and rash actions. I got up the courage to end the relationship and he played a blinder; sad texts, crying phone calls, being so *understanding* of how patient I'd been and all the rest of it for months until I gave in. I did still love him, or thought I did, and again he became incredibly loving. It was only after he slipped back to type and I happened to read an article about psychopaths that I realised what was happening. And that I didn't love him - I was scared of him, scared of what he could do, and angry at myself too. And somehow it all got mixed up until I didn't really understand my feelings at all.

So I have some understanding of ES' position, and some sympathies. And I know exactly what she means by: "And if able to finish my answer, I would have told them that regrettably I used those words 'I love you' to find the truth in so many lies." It's all you have to hold onto, it's what makes things make sense. I don't know if GR loved ES, he may have thought he did, but people like him use it as a weapon and a means to possession. I understand ES still being scared, as JS has said on J4J she is, because when you realise someone has managed to get such a hold over you without you knowing it - more than once in her case and mine - it is terrifying.

I also understand the self-righteous "some friend she was" approach and have indulged in it myself. But ES is a victim of GR too. Not to the same level, but reading how they "always" had sex, how he talked to other women about threesomes, how he changed her mailing address, she was a victim too. Perhaps she was more easily "controlled" than Jenn was/had become. Parading her like he did in front of the Renz family - he was making sure that ES never had anywhere to go except him.

As for my ex, he's still with his wife. I don't know if she knows, but I know he's had multiple other affairs. If it wasn't me, it would have been someone else. If it hadn't been ES, it would have been someone else. GR is the demon here, never lose sight of that.

Solus, I think you're amazing and I respect you more than I could ever convey adequately in words. Thank you.

Thanks for sharing that. I think your comments about fear and control are right on target. Obsessive attention can be flattering at first, and then it gets really scary.

 

[Abigail]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 2m

Powell says Remy didn't know their conversation was being recorded. Powell says "I never tell anybody I'm recording" #RamsaranTrial

Huh....I thought that was required by law...I always have to tell people (in advance) when I record meetings

 

[Mookie]

Egads!!! Let's see...he's been in jail about 15 months...so if he's still be trying to call her in last few months, that averages out to about 6 calls a day!! I suppose not all of them went through...but still, that's a lot of calls from jail...I didn't even know a prisoner was allowed to make that many calls.

I guess the one-phone call rule is a thing of the past.

"OK, , get in the cell, you're under arrest. Here's a phone. You're only allowed 2,283 calls, so you better make 'em count!"

 

[Abigail]

I wonder when GR was asked for his clothes? Straight away, or a couple of days after, when they would probably all have been laundered by then, if only he'd still had a wife like Jennifer to do it for him.

YEah, he kinda shot himself in the foot, he did. Killed the lady who was cooking all his meals, washing his clothes, cleaning his house, and caring for the kids...and then the mistress wouldn't move in and do it all for him!!

 

[Abigail]

Ashley Babbitt ‏@evesunashley 2m

Recess. Powell not done, but calling a doc first because he came from out of town. Garcia says he has lots more for Powell. #RamsaranTrial

This city lawyer had better tone it down. He's brash and arrogant and insulting, and upstate folks (i.e. jury) don't have much truck with that sort of crap.

 

[Mookie]

New York state requires only that one party to the conversation consent to the recording. So as long as Powell was OK with it, doesn't matter whether or not GR knew.

 

[epiphany]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 2m

Chief medical examiner in Onondaga County and forensic pathologist Robert Stoppacher takes the stand #RamsaranTrial

 

[zwiebel]

Julianne Peixoto (@julespeixoto) tweeted at 8:57pm - 9 Sep 14:

Chief medical examiner in Onondaga County and forensic pathologist Robert Stoppacher takes the stand #RamsaranTrial (https://twitter.com/julespeixoto/status/509415373889110016

 

[epiphany]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 1m

Several members of Jenn's family, including her mother Carol Renz, have left for the pathologist's testimony #RamsaranTrial
Norwich, NY

 

[zwiebel]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 2m

Chief medical examiner in Onondaga County and forensic pathologist Robert Stoppacher takes the stand #RamsaranTrial

Great minds think alike.

ETA: Retweet alike.

 

[epiphany]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 3m

Remy is crying as pathologist describes Jennifer's body during her autopsy #RamsaranTrial

 

[Jilllian]

Julianne Peixoto @julespeixoto · 36s

One day, Remy called Sayles 131 times from jail. The jail phone records monitored him from May 28,2013-Aug. 29,2014

:jawdrop:

:bombshell:

 

[zwiebel]

Julianne Peixoto (@julespeixoto) tweeted at 8:59pm - 9 Sep 14:

Several members of Jenn's family, including her mother Carol Renz, have left for the pathologist's testimony #RamsaranTrial (https://twitter.com/julespeixoto/status/509415923263238145)

 

[epiphany]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 32s

Pathologist says Jenn's body showed pre-death injuries: external bruising & lacerations; internal bleeding & hemorrhages #RamsaranTrial
Norwich, NY

BBM

Wow

 

[zwiebel]

It's Chief medical examiner/forensic pathologistbfor Onondaga County,mRobert Stoppacher, on the stand now.

 

[epiphany]

She fought him back?

 

[zwiebel]

Julianne Peixoto ‏@julespeixoto 32s

Pathologist says Jenn's body showed pre-death injuries: external bruising & lacerations; internal bleeding & hemorrhages #RamsaranTrial
Norwich, NY

BBM

Wow

Oh no, oh no. She fought for her life.

 

[epiphany]

Matt White ‏@evesunmatt 33s

Jen had pre death injuries to right arm and leg, scalp, left thumb and foot; hemorrhage indicating impact - Pathology Report #RamsaranTrial

BBM

Body slamming her? Punching her?