Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 6

[fringles]

And LivingJuicy YOU are amazing. THANK YOU!

It looks like something changed between December 17 and 21st. December 17 is all about how he's sure it was foul play, and very positive about Jen. After that, we start getting online gaming, and it's all downhill from there.

If she was there the whole time, then where was the van from the 11th until it turned up at Plank Road? I wonder if one of the roads off center would have clues at all, though I imagine they're being well searched.

It seems unlikely she could've been moved far in recent days, as surely people are on the lookout for suspicious behaviour. Also I don't know but wouldn't it be quite difficult to shift a frozen, two month old body? I just wonder, if she was moved, if more than one person was involved? Or, if she was perhaps very nearby where she was found. The roads off center look like they could be very muddy... someone mentioned that earlier I think.

Perhaps she was there the whole time - I'm sure it is possible, and perhaps (sad thought) an animal found her and tried to dig her out, which uncovered her?

But if so, would the van have been so muddy? And where is the crime scene?!

 

[fringles]

(RS) I bet the rock would come forward nd admit to turning that phone on if it had a mouth. Some rocks look great under the spotlight!

:floorlaugh:

It's true! Especially a dextrous rock like that one!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I have an older iPhone, and if I don't use it very much, it will hold a charge for 2-3 days indoors, not sure what would happen if left out in the elements.

He did say he the app he used is GPS based, so perhaps something like the iPhone GPS Phone Tracker.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gps-phone-tracker-for-iphones/id460832645?mt=8

Regardless of which app he used, why didn't he use it to find Jennifer immediately?

"Why didn't he use it to find Jennifer immediately?"

Touché, Bessie... :thumb:

Just why DIDN'T he?

I would love to know the answer to that!

:waitasec:

 

[Bob's Chicken]

<Tito, can you get me a tissue?>...
I'd like to thank LNM, the sheriff's department, the local businesses, all those that searched, the academy...

Today's DS article -- my thought on this. All here on WS are talking about GR's interviews and that he never says her name/makes it so impersonal. Maybe this is his way of answering to that accusation? Once again a 'cover up'? GR: She's been soooo changed for the last 6-9 months and did not want to be called Jennifer or Jenny -- that I just don't know what to call her anymore....?!?!?!?!?

 

[zwiebel]

I just find it very weird where GR is talking about Jennifer being the only missing person in the county and how everyone is searching for her and will not stop and he 'respects that'.

That's something that is used more often when a person is disagreeing politely with something I would have thought; for example, 'I don't agree with your actions, but I respect your decision'.

Very awkward. And the other awkward thing......how was the tryst/affair orginally revealed, does anyone know?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

OMG, BearAngel! I forgot all about the hair coloring kit and the clippings! I wonder what Jenn's hair looks like now? Will it contradict what GR said?

Great question...

How does Jen's hair look now... In comparison with GR's statements?

Even after exposure to the elements... I imagine forensics would still be able to ascertain various dyes/rinses applied to the hair...

and get a general idea of the length of the hair?

:thumb:

 

[Bettylou4you]

I'd be interested to know how often the 'find my phone' app was used by GR to track JR's location. He could have been keeping tabs on her if he suspected she was up to something, or to make sure she was not going to catch he and ES.

Also, without quoting all of that great synopsis of events above, i think the clues are in GR's many statements. I've often found that narcissistic guilty people often verbalize the truth but distance themselves from it. Saying the truth but not owning up to it, almost a split personality, one not believing what the other did. I'll try to pull out examples of what i am talking about.

 

[zwiebel]

I am going to be stuck on that 'I respect that' forever now. Just thinking about it, I have never in my life heard a missing person's loved one say they 'respect' the search for their loved one will not stop.

'I am eternally grateful,' yes. 'They are not doing enough', yes. But that respect statement is the strangest thing I've ever heard. (excluding Drew Peterson, of course).

 

[Sharoneonta]

It irks me to no end how he can speak of always telling the truth, that HE has tought the children to always tell the truth, while he's been schtupping Jenny's best friend for god knows how long.

This alone is what makes me distrust him the most. It really stands out in my mind.

If Jenny did not know, then you LIED to her for however long...your words mean nothing!

 

[zwiebel]

Do we know who says Jennifer did know about the affair and who says she didn't?

 

[Sharoneonta]

Do we know who says Jennifer did know about the affair and who says she didn't?

From everything I have read it was common knowledge in the community & was verified by an insider here that she knew. The only one(s) saying she didn't know are GR & I believe CC.

 

[Foxfire]

I'd be interested to know how often the 'find my phone' app was used by GR to track JR's location. He could have been keeping tabs on her if he suspected she was up to something, or to make sure she was not going to catch he and ES.

Also, without quoting all of that great synopsis of events above, i think the clues are in GR's many statements. I've often found that narcissistic guilty people often verbalize the truth but distance themselves from it. Saying the truth but not owning up to it, almost a split personality, one not believing what the other did. I'll try to pull out examples of what i am talking about.

Bettylou4you, JR could also have been keeping tabs on GR & circled back on the morning of 12/11/2012 to JR's phone location.

I think that it would be interesting to know if JR had retained or consulted a divorce attorney or PI recently..

Imo, if the gps cell phone locator had been used prior by GR, or it can be verified that he was aware of this capability. Imo, there would be no plausible explanation as to why he didn't track or go to the cell phone location on December 11, 2012..

 

[Sharoneonta]

If my SO were having a "tryst" I'd change too. I'd change my marital status, my address and the guardianship of my children.

 

[zwiebel]

So unless they were being very obvious, someone must have been talking - maybe boasting - about it?

ETA: the affair; this thread is moving fast.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I just thought of something... So please forgive me if this post lands at an awkward spot...

IIRC... After "the body" (poor Jennifer) was found... GR said LE went to his house ......"called down to him" (still don't know what THAT means).... requesting dental records...

Unless it is different in NY than where I live... But dental records of the type needed for IDing a body would be at the DENTIST's OFFICE... And not kept at home...

I don't have the X-rays of my family's teeth at home...

And I can't imagine that finding the dentist/orthodontist Jennifer visited would take a trip to the Ramsaran home... A couple of phone calls would be sufficient...and I would imagine LE would already have this information from conducting their investigation...

So... What was the real reason in :
1. LE's visit to GR

2. GR making this statement

(Answer to number one would be for LE to see IF GR was still in the area...condition of home... And more)

(Answer to number two...GR covering for what ever LE really communicated with him...in addition to the discovery of the body)

Again... Not sure where I am going with this... Just doesn't add up...

JMO

 

[Sharoneonta]

I believe I read that LE was asking for the name of her dentist, not physical records. If I remember correctly it was while they were informing him that a body had been found.

 

[Foxfire]

I'd be interested to know how often the 'find my phone' app was used by GR to track JR's location. He could have been keeping tabs on her if he suspected she was up to something, or to make sure she was not going to catch he and ES.

Also, without quoting all of that great synopsis of events above, i think the clues are in GR's many statements. I've often found that narcissistic guilty people often verbalize the truth but distance themselves from it. Saying the truth but not owning up to it, almost a split personality, one not believing what the other did. I'll try to pull out examples of what i am talking about.

This psychological trait has been observed in many of the psychopathic sexual predators/serial killers in the past. They often refer to it as their other self or in Gary Ridgeway; green river's case; good Gary - evil Gary .. JMO, No implications intended..

Images for good gary evil gary ridgway
https://www.google.com/search?q=goo...aBYL49QTDmIDABw&ved=0CEYQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=667

 

[zwiebel]

I'd be interested to know how often the 'find my phone' app was used by GR to track JR's location. He could have been keeping tabs on her if he suspected she was up to something, or to make sure she was not going to catch he and ES.

Also, without quoting all of that great synopsis of events above, i think the clues are in GR's many statements. I've often found that narcissistic guilty people often verbalize the truth but distance themselves from it. Saying the truth but not owning up to it, almost a split personality, one not believing what the other did. I'll try to pull out examples of what i am talking about.

I think you have just provided me with a possible explanation of that 'I respect' the search statement. Maybe someone trying to say the 'right' thing but their subconscious puts a funny twist on it?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I may be mistaken but i thought her purse and car keys were in the van?

Car keys were found in the van...

Location of purse has not been told to MSM... Or us WSers...

HTH...:seeya:

 

[LivingJuicy]

IMO, I think it's really telling that if you google Jennifer - you find this site.

IF god forbid, I knew of someone, let alone they were a close friend or family that was in the media spotlight as a POI or being pointed to as a suspect, I'd sign my happy little butt up here and come on straight to defend them. EVEN if it meant that I looked foolish, or wasn't believed. (UNlike LNM - I'm talking a person, not an org.)

We have had numerous pages and posts and not one, other than from LD <modsnip> defending him. NO one saying how amazing he is. NO one saying that he could never have done anything to cause harm to his wife.

JMO but it really makes me wonder what people REALLY think about him.