Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[Abigail]

RSBM:

McDonalds has wi-fi.... there's one in Norwich; and maybe a friend's laptop?

*** and the failed polygraph info is from a verified insider

thanks!! didn't know the polygraph had been failed. Wow!!

McDonalds would have wi-fi, but he woudl need a friend who would let him use his computer -- E comes to mind.

And he'd also need a good reason to use someone else's computer, unless the other person was already an accomplice

 

[SouthAussie]

Thinking way outside the box, what if GR was setup. Did he have any enemies that would want to punish him by killing his wife and make it look like he was responsible?

It seems like the van being left in such plain site was a taunt, especially since it was found days later. Could someone have moved it there to make sure it was found a few days later?

The phone, van and body seem almost like a manufactured crime scene to implicate GR with circumstantial evidence. He had all day, why dispose of everything hastily so close to home? It doesn't really add up to me. Its like we (me) are falling into the trap laid by the 'evidence'. It may not be what it seems.

If they wanted to punish him, why would they not just kill him instead of his wife?

Killing his wife could just be doing him a favour ... insurance money, freedom to have affairs, sole custody of children, ownership of joint/her belongings.

If you are going to 'do someone in', why not do in the person you are punishing?

 

[Abigail]

Here is one thing that bothers me, as far as GR being responsible for Jennifer's death.

Sooner of later, she was going to be found. So if he killed her, why put out that she might have run away, and even run her down a bit in the bargain? Why not put on the grieving husband act and stick with it all along? As it is, he has put the spotlight on himself as prime suspect, IMO, by talking "*****" about her, as it were, hinting she may have left to meet a man, etc.

An innocent man might, conceivably, veer between her running off or being abducted, while if he killed her and not hidden her well (as she was not, really) seems he should have insisted she was abducted and probably harmed, setting up for her body to be found.

Is he that stupid? I don't know what to think.

I think the story that he and the "anonymous family friend" were trying to spread was that she had run off with somebody she'd met through online gaming, with the implication being that THAT person had abducted her and down bodily harm

 

[Sharoneonta]

RSBM:

McDonalds has wi-fi.... there's one in Norwich; and maybe a friend's laptop?

*** and the failed polygraph info is from a verified insider

When? Where? I don't remember this being verified.

Jillian, did he fail a poly?

ETA: momrids6, who verified this?

 

[Abigail]

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/st...ce-in-wifes-death/NAO7jKz5I0mj5avBjsngUg.cspx

"...it is what is man"

apparently he managed to have his final round of interviews and have his little rage, thank everyone within an hour or so after her body was ID'd, so he's now set to "move on" with a new life without Jenn.

 

[Janeumayer]

In reply to Cluciano:

I think that Jennifer's COD will be inconclusive. Her body left for 84 days? Not good. A lot of decomposition had occurred ny then (even though the process was slowed down by the snow).

So what else could be used in order to get the killer? Circumstantial evidence. I hope that LE have a lot of circumstantial evidence in order to get an Arrest and a Guilty verdict.

I hope the person was careless and left a trail. I hope that Computer and Phone data have something incriminating. And lastly, I hope that if Jennifer was having problems in her relationship, that she disclosed those with someone.

 

[Abigail]

Thinking way outside the box, what if GR was setup. Did he have any enemies that would want to punish him by killing his wife and make it look like he was responsible?

It seems like the van being left in such plain site was a taunt, especially since it was found days later. Could someone have moved it there to make sure it was found a few days later?

The phone, van and body seem almost like a manufactured crime scene to implicate GR with circumstantial evidence. He had all day, why dispose of everything hastily so close to home? It doesn't really add up to me. Its like we (me) are falling into the trap laid by the 'evidence'. It may not be what it seems.

I doubt GR had any enemies that strong. I think even his freinds saw him as a bit of a narcissist and they ragged him about it, but I can't think of how a guy who worked at home and who's main hobby was running (either by himself or with his mistress) would have generated an enemy so vicious that he would kill an innocent woman just to get revenge.

And...no...he didn't have all day if he were going to stick to an "airtight" alibi. He had to dispose of the body and the van within the time that it would take him to jog to the YMCA from his house (that was his alibi for that hour and 20 mintues or so). The rest of the day, he was supposedly logged in to work and his kids would have come home from school in early afternoon.

 

[Abigail]

RSBM: How does he know at the time of this interview that she "was hurt"?

As LE stated "no visible signs of trauma" upon finding her

A Freudian slip of tongue perhaps??

And, isn't it ludicrous that CC still says we "can't know" that Jenn met with foul play???

 

[cluciano63]

I think the story that he and the "anonymous family friend" were trying to spread was that she had run off with somebody she'd met through online gaming, with the implication being that THAT person had abducted her and down bodily harm

But he did not really make that at all clear. If he really wanted to present Jennifer as a possible victim, he did not succeed, when it would have been so easy to do so.

 

[Abigail]

"GR, is not stupid, cluciano63, but very narcissistic, imo"..


http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disor...rs/hic_narcissistic_personality_disorder.aspx

What is narcissistic personality disorder?

People with this personality disorder also tend to set unrealistic goals.

Like running a marathon in all 50 states?

What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder?

In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:

Might take advantage of others to achieve their goals

hmmmm...
Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:


Hypersensitivity to insults (real or imagined), criticism, or defeat, possibly reacting with rage, shame, and humiliation

hmmmm

Arrogant behavior and/or attitude
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"And considers the nickname; 'Psycho' an attribute to be proud of, imo"..

that was his college nickname, right?

 

[zwiebel]

Just going back to some of the comments about fb a minute, I thought it was against fb's rules for anyone to 'take over' or interfere with anyone else's page. I was sure I had seen cases here where parents of deceased loved ones were not allowed to have access and could only memorialize their child's page, or have it closed completely?

Have I got the wrong end of the stick, or is one of the fb pages out there originally Jennifer's, but it is currently being maintained and changed by someone else?

 

[BearAngel]

Bear question of the night: Do we know if there was any alcohol, recreational drug use, performance enhancing drugs or natural remedies being used by anyone in the household? Do we know of any possible addictions, such as gambling or sport betting? Lottery tickets probably do not fall into the category...insiders????

 

[voominvava]

Here is one thing that bothers me, as far as GR being responsible for Jennifer's death.

Sooner of later, she was going to be found. So if he killed her, why put out that she might have run away, and even run her down a bit in the bargain? Why not put on the grieving husband act and stick with it all along? As it is, he has put the spotlight on himself as prime suspect, IMO, by talking "*****" about her, as it were, hinting she may have left to meet a man, etc.

An innocent man might, conceivably, veer between her running off or being abducted, while if he killed her and not hidden her well (as she was not, really) seems he should have insisted she was abducted and probably harmed, setting up for her body to be found.

Is he that stupid? I don't know what to think.

I think his main goal with the whole story, was to make it look like she left with someone she met in her online game ... who took advantage of her and killed her. She was left naked so that it looked like a sexual predator .. Saying she left voluntarily would buy time for evidence to be washed away (by time, elements, animals). I also think her van was left with the keys in it, in a very visible area so that it would be stolen (but unfortunately for :jail:, it wasn't). :twocents::moo:

 

[Abigail]

If they wanted to punish him, why would they not just kill him instead of his wife?

Killing his wife could just be doing him a favour ... insurance money, freedom to have affairs, sole custody of children, ownership of joint/her belongings.

If you are going to 'do someone in', why not do in the person you are punishing?

Plus, another killer would have had to know when she would have been leaving her house, what route she was taking (info probably only known to GR and herself), and somehow gotten her to stop her van, then killed her and left her body...but there would also be logistics with 2 vehicles

 

[voominvava]

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/st...ce-in-wifes-death/NAO7jKz5I0mj5avBjsngUg.cspx

"...it is what it is man"

"a CURVE ball!"

 

[Abigail]

Just going back to some of the comments about fb a minute, I thought it was against fb's rules for anyone to 'take over' or interfere with anyone else's page. I was sure I had seen cases here where parents of deceased loved ones were not allowed to have access and could only memorialize their child's page, or have it closed completely?

Have I got the wrong end of the stick, or is one of the fb pages out there originally Jennifer's, but it is currently being maintained and changed by someone else?

Not sure what FB rules are...but I think the folks who have deleted postings and taken over her page aren't too concerned with rules...except when using them to try to get posts deleted from OTHER facebook pages

 

[voominvava]

Just going back to some of the comments about fb a minute, I thought it was against fb's rules for anyone to 'take over' or interfere with anyone else's page. I was sure I had seen cases here where parents of deceased loved ones were not allowed to have access and could only memorialize their child's page, or have it closed completely?

Have I got the wrong end of the stick, or is one of the fb pages out there originally Jennifer's, but it is currently being maintained and changed by someone else?

Jennifer's FB page was taken over by GR, he said he deleted photos of the children for their privacy. Then he changed her profile and cover photo to her missing posters.

The LnM FB page for Jennifer was not Jennifer's to begin with... and was created when GR enlisted LnM's help to find her.

As far as I know, anyway. :twocents:

 

[Abigail]

Bear question of the night: Do we know if there was any alcohol, recreational drug use, performance enhancing drugs or natural remedies being used by anyone in the household? Do we know of any possible addictions, such as gambling or sport betting? Lottery tickets probably do not fall into the category...insiders????

Alcohol was definitely used, sometimes in excess, by GR. He mentioned this in his FB, and his PR person also used that as an excuse for the "one-time" tryst.

I did notice a couple photos of Jenn holding what appears to be a drink, but I suspect she didn't have a habit of over-indulgence. Maybe a toast at a wedding or some sort of celebration -- that sort of thing.

Not heard anything at all about recreational drugs. Unlikely for both.

Jenn had some physical conditions that required prescription drugs. I think she was also open to natural remedies

NOT an insider...just a former local, and a good friend of a friend of Jenn's

Performance enhancing drugs possible with GR's body building and other activities.

Haven't heard anything about gambling and such, but there did seem to be quite a bit of debt and financial issues.

NOT an insider...just a former local, and good friend of a friend of Jenn's

 

[Abigail]

Jennifer's FB page was taken over by GR, he said deleted photos of the children for their privacy. Then he changed her profile and cover photo to her missing posters.

The LnM FB page for Jennifer was not Jennifer's to begin with... and was created when she went missing, and GR enlisted LnM's help to find her.

As far as I know, anyway. :twocents:

If he deleted (or set to private) pictures of the kids for their privacy, why didn't he do the same on his own FB? And there's still photos of the kids everywhere that have been released by him.

PLUS....he also deleted photos of her quilts and things like that, along with a lot of her comments and postings...that had nothing to do with protecting the children's privacy...

...but everything to do with obscurring evidence

 

[LolaAngelina]

Alcohol was definitely used, sometimes in excess, by GR. He mentioned this in his FB, and his PR person also used that as an excuse for the "one-time" tryst.

I did notice a couple photos of Jenn holding what appears to be a drink, but I suspect she didn't have a habit of over-indulgence. Maybe a toast at a wedding or some sort of celebration -- that sort of thing.

Not heard anything at all about recreational drugs. Unlikely for both.

Jenn had some physical conditions that required prescription drugs. I think she was also open to natural remedies

Performance enhancing drugs possible with GR's body building and other activities.

Haven't heard anything about gambling and such, but there did seem to be quite a bit of debt and financial issues.

BBM
Do you/did you know JR and GR personally? Just dont understand how you can be so sure that GR has an alcohol abuse problem (a few nights out drinking doesnt equal an alcohol abuse problem)
How do you know Jen was open to natural remedies?