Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 9

[Foxfire]

Thanks .. I saw that on youtube ...I noticed at 3:26 the name on GRs jacket

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=htt...yer_embedded&v=EO6mKP7Sl2E#t=203s&h=6AQEMyoef

The name monogrammed on GR's Black Jacket in the photo is 'Psycho'.. Why would anyone in their right mind include this photo in a tribute/memorial video of a probable homicide victim? Unbelievable, imo...

 

[Abigail]

http://www.wbng.com/home/Husband-Speaks-Out-on-Missing-Wife-188917661.html

this is from 01/29.
watching it again after time has passed makes it look even more sketchy.
body language and affect changes instantly when talking about those who support him, to those who don't. reminds me of those "clap on/clap off!" commercials.

note at the beginning of the video, the reporter said that "in the two months since his wife's disappearance, Ganesh Ramsaran had not agreed to an interview until now."

what i noticed this time that i hadn't last time, is that the reporter says at the very end, something like "Ganesh Ramsaran has offered to take a DNA and lie detector test IF it would help with the investigation."

this was dated 01/29/13.

pretty sure he had already taken a poly and failed prior to this date. if he had passed, would he not (still even now) be shouting it very loudly for all to hear, in an attempt to clear his name? he's been pretty vocal about his "air tight" alibis, so why not the results of the poly?

:jail:

How does that work with a polygraph? Do they tell you the results right off? My guess is the the polygraph was inconclusive.

My gut tells me this was all premeditated. If I'm right, then I'm guessing that GR would have spent some time researching:
1) how to beat a lie detector test
2) how to render Jenn unconscious without leaving marks on her body -- such as with some of the meds she was already taking or sleeping pills, etc. How much would be needed? In what sort of beverage or food could it be put without being tasted? Did she really not like coffee??
3) a good location for disposing of body, van, etc.
4) how long after death before rigor mortis sets in
5) how the gps app works on the phone
6) date for end of hunting season
7) etc. you guys can add a lot more, I'm sure

Now...for #3, that could have been done in person, for #6, he could have asked a buddy, but most of the research would have likely been done online.

Now...if this were premeditated, these types of searches could have been done weeks or months earlier.

I'm thinking he's too smart to do these types of searches on his own computer or phone, or on Jenn's computer or phone.

So...perhaps LE might find something interesting if they took a look at the mistress's computer or phone. And...were any new computers or phones purchased in the months up to December (and old ones disposed of??) Searches could have been made when he was out of town on a hotel computer, or an internet bar near a hotel where he stayed.

 

[Jilllian]

I did say "gives such insight"....:seeya:

:silly:

 

[Abigail]

Don't forget this one:
Dec 17: Husband contacts a supposed "psychic" for help, and the "psychic" subsequently has numerous conversations with their 13 yr old daughter.

Ganesh Remy Ramsaran17 December 2012 14:01
Please help me and our family find my wife! We are all so lost without her! Our kids and I are really hurting!
http://empathysinsights.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/jennifer-l-ramsaran-missing-alert.html#comment-form

I wonder if part of the "vengeance" crusade would include another reading from the psychic to help in finding Jenn's killer???

 

[Foxfire]

RSBM:

Many amateur bodybuilders actually have little "functional strength"....

momrids6, most male body builders have increased upper body strength as compared to couch potatoes and many other athletes. Couple this with the added adrenaline rush which causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength.
Bodybuilder Johnnie Jackson can deadlift 765 lb. X 2..

 

[cluciano63]

Here is one thing that bothers me, as far as GR being responsible for Jennifer's death.

Sooner of later, she was going to be found. So if he killed her, why put out that she might have run away, and even run her down a bit in the bargain? Why not put on the grieving husband act and stick with it all along? As it is, he has put the spotlight on himself as prime suspect, IMO, by talking "*****" about her, as it were, hinting she may have left to meet a man, etc.

An innocent man might, conceivably, veer between her running off or being abducted, while if he killed her and not hidden her well (as she was not, really) seems he should have insisted she was abducted and probably harmed, setting up for her body to be found.

Is he that stupid? I don't know what to think.

 

[momrids6]

RSBM:

Many amateur bodybuilders actually have little "functional strength"....

momrids6, most male body builders have increased upper body strength as compared to couch potatoes and many other athletes. Couple this with the added adrenaline rush which causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength.
Bodybuilder Johnnie Jackson can deadlift 765 lb. X 2..

You and I are talking about different functions...:what:

 

[Abigail]

Why is it the job of LE to inform the media about Jennifer being a Sunday School teacher? Doesn't she have family who can do these media things? GR managed to get himself a PR person. Has the media refused to talk to her family? Sorry....against my better judgement, I replied. Sorry for butting in.

Well, to begin with, the first place I would go to try to get a grasp of who someone was and what their state of mind was just prior to the disappearance. would be to take a look at their FB page (if it were public). Unfortunately, her husband very quickly deleted photos of her quilts and other crafts and artwork, and many of her postings and comments that would have given clues to her character. So, her OWN witness was stifled.

And then, her Facebook was taken over by L&M, and virtually everything was deleted that had been posted by Jenn.

I wasn't in on this from the beginning, but it's my understanding that her family DID try to give a more rounded description of Jenn -- however, any attempts to correct her description on the FB page (that used to be Jenn's but was and is now being managed by L&M) was thwarted. Family members were banned from posting anything. In fact, they were attacked and threatened. I believe her family were pretty much intimidated into silence -- at least silence with the public. And we have to remember that Jenn's parents would have wanted to maintain a relationship with their grandchildren.

 

[Foxfire]

You and I are talking about different functions...:what:

:floorlaugh:

 

[nanasbabes]

Does anyone know if ES is staying with GR now not sure if this is a fact but if so a telling story!!!

 

[Jilllian]

I wonder if part of the "vengeance" crusade would include another reading from the psychic to help in finding Jenn's killer???

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/st...ce-in-wifes-death/NAO7jKz5I0mj5avBjsngUg.cspx

"...it is what is man"

 

[Bettylou4you]

Here is one thing that bothers me, as far as GR being responsible for Jennifer's death.

Sooner of later, she was going to be found. So if he killed her, why put out that she might have run away, and even run her down a bit in the bargain? Why not put on the grieving husband act and stick with it all along? As it is, he has put the spotlight on himself as prime suspect, IMO, by talking "*****" about her, as it were, hinting she may have left to meet a man, etc.

An innocent man might, conceivably, veer between her running off or being abducted, while if he killed her and not hidden her well (as she was not, really) seems he should have insisted she was abducted and probably harmed, setting up for her body to be found.

Is he that stupid? I don't know what to think.

Thinking way outside the box, what if GR was setup. Did he have any enemies that would want to punish him by killing his wife and make it look like he was responsible?

It seems like the van being left in such plain site was a taunt, especially since it was found days later. Could someone have moved it there to make sure it was found a few days later?

The phone, van and body seem almost like a manufactured crime scene to implicate GR with circumstantial evidence. He had all day, why dispose of everything hastily so close to home? It doesn't really add up to me. Its like we (me) are falling into the trap laid by the 'evidence'. It may not be what it seems.

 

[momrids6]

http://www.9wsyr.com/mostpopular/st...ce-in-wifes-death/NAO7jKz5I0mj5avBjsngUg.cspx

RSBM: How does he know at the time of this interview that she "was hurt"?

As LE stated "no visible signs of trauma" upon finding her

 

[Jilllian]

RSBM: How does he know at the time of this interview that she "was hurt"?

As LE stated "no visible signs of trauma" upon finding her

....must have been a flashback

 

[momrids6]

....must have been having a flashback

Yeah, I heard that happens when you lose functional strength...

 

[LolaAngelina]

....must have been a flashback

:floorlaugh:

 

[Foxfire]

Here is one thing that bothers me, as far as GR being responsible for Jennifer's death.

Sooner of later, she was going to be found. So if he killed her, why put out that she might have run away, and even run her down a bit in the bargain? Why not put on the grieving husband act and stick with it all along? As it is, he has put the spotlight on himself as prime suspect, IMO, by talking "*****" about her, as it were, hinting she may have left to meet a man, etc.

An innocent man might, conceivably, veer between her running off or being abducted, while if he killed her and not hidden her well (as she was not, really) seems he should have insisted she was abducted and probably harmed, setting up for her body to be found.

Is he that stupid? I don't know what to think.

"GR, is not stupid, cluciano63, but very narcissistic, imo"..


http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disor...rs/hic_narcissistic_personality_disorder.aspx

What is narcissistic personality disorder?
Narcissism is a term used to describe a focus on the self and self-admiration that is taken to an extreme. The word “narcissism” comes from a Greek myth in which a handsome young man named Narcissus sees his reflection in a pool of water and falls in love with it.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of a group of conditions called dramatic personality disorders. People with these disorders have intense, unstable emotions, and a distorted self-image. Narcissistic personality disorder is further characterized by an abnormal love of self, an exaggerated sense of superiority and importance, and a preoccupation with success and power. However, these attitudes and behaviors do not reflect true self-confidence. Instead, the attitudes conceal a deep sense of insecurity and a fragile self-esteem. People with this personality disorder also tend to set unrealistic goals.

What are the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder?

In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:

Are self-centered and boastful
Seek constant attention and admiration
Consider themselves better than others
Exaggerate their talents and achievements
Believe that they are entitled to special treatment
Are easily hurt but might not show it
Might take advantage of others to achieve their goals
Other common traits of narcissistic personality disorder include the following:

Preoccupation with fantasies that focus on unlimited success, power, intelligence, beauty, or love
Belief that he or she is “special” and unique, and can only be understood by other special people
Expectation that others will automatically go along with what he or she wants
Inability to recognize or identify with the feelings, needs, and viewpoints of others
Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her
Hypersensitivity to insults (real or imagined), criticism, or defeat, possibly reacting with rage, shame, and humiliation

Arrogant behavior and/or attitude
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"And considers the nickname; 'Psycho' an attribute to be proud of, imo"..

 

[LivingJuicy]

The name monogrammed on GR's Black Jacket in the photo is 'Psycho'.. Why would anyone in their right mind include this photo in a tribute/memorial video of a probable homicide victim? Unbelievable, imo...

Agreed! Except for a psycho that's proud of it. This psycho seems to think he is above everything and everyone.

The jacket is absolutely accurate. It's a shame that this picture includes someone beautiful and good.

 

[Abigail]

RSBM:

Many amateur bodybuilders actually have little "functional strength"....

Yes, true.

However, I have no upper body strength at all, but I think I could do it, and this is how...

1) roll the body unto a shower curtain or plastic table cloth or tarp. wrap this around the body and duct tape

2) roll the wrapped up body onto another shower curtain or tarp or plastic shower curtain -- this time something that is fairly slippery -- like plastic. Have about 2 feet of the plastic extending from her head

3) park the car in front of the house with the sliding door of the van facing the house door

4) pull the body out of the house and to the van by pulling on the plastic cloth extending out from her head

5) prop her into a sitting position in front of the sliding door (that's open) and get the 2 feet of so of plastic up on the seat.

6) go around to the other side of the van and get in to the back seat...then reach down and pull her up into the van -- either by just grabbing her body and sort of lurching back, or by pulling her up and over with the plastic.

7) then, once she's up in the van, adjust her body so that she's lying sort of parallel to the door

8) Leave the plastic wrapped around her on way to Center road.

9) at center road, pull over, open van door, and roll body out to side of road. using scissors or knife, cut plastic and duct tape off and roll body down embankment. stuff duct tape and plastic into a plastic garbage bag, and discard of that somewhere else.

 

[momrids6]

Jodi dragged Travis a long way... and we did what Bear did - my DH had no problem getting me into the van with one middle captain's chair removed- or the back seat folded down- either way

* ETA: it was also manageable done with all seats intact- and he also tossed me in the back cargo hold- but easier with seats adjusted/removed