NY - Karina Vetrano, 30, found murdered, Queens, 2 Aug 2016 #2

[Lauranyc83]

Don't think this was posted yet. More info about tips received.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20...nfo-on-howard-beach-joggers-killer-rises-nypd

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[SleuthVT]

EDITED TO ADD: ummmmm....nevermind. Seem "extraneous" is defined as "not Karina." Likely the perp's DNA. Carry on.

In biology, that's what extraneous DNA means ~ outside of the organism's body. But from what I've seen, detectives seem to use it differently when analyzing crime scenes - I have seen it referred to (for example, on forensic files cases or other cases I've researched) as DNA that is supplementary, that is questionable how it got there. If not belonging to a second or third perp, there may be a worry of crime scene contamination or other. They want to identify all DNA at the scene to its source. It's not always possible and sometimes a jury doesn't care, but they should. I remember an article I read on the death of Irina Yarmolenko, which talked about there being "extraneous" DNA at the crime scene, not belonging to either men who were convicted. Will link if I come across it again.

Side note: One died and the other claims his innocence, multiple psychics have also said they are innocent and she was targeted by an acquaintance. A lot of people think they got convicted by DNA transference - i.e. maybe a cop looked at their identification, then touched the car or something. I don't believe these men did it or had any motive to. (But they are taking a wrong angle, imo, by trying to convince people that she killed herself).

Same with this case. It would make much more sense based on the brutality and that she fought back so hard that she and the perp(s) knew each other. Especially any crime that is in close physical proximity (i.e. strangulation) - most of the time it is personal. But extraneous DNA needs to be identified and sourced.

Note: Although, there is a slight possibility that they aren't using it this way or they said something else, but the media miscommunicated and paraphrased it a different way. Terminology is really crucial, but hard to determine what is what unless coming from a direct source.

 

[Inthedetails]

In biology, that's what extraneous DNA means ~ outside of the organism's body. But from what I've seen, detectives seem to use it differently when analyzing crime scenes - I have seen it referred to (for example, on forensic files cases or other cases I've researched) as DNA that is supplementary, that is questionable how it got there. If not belonging to a second or third perp, there may be a worry of crime scene contamination or other. They want to identify all DNA at the scene to its source. It's not always possible and sometimes a jury doesn't care, but they should. I remember an article I read on the death of Irina Yarmolenko, which talked about there being "extraneous" DNA at the crime scene, not belonging to either men who were convicted. Will link if I come across it again.

Side note: One died and the other claims his innocence, multiple psychics have also said they are innocent and she was targeted by an acquaintance. A lot of people think they got convicted by DNA transference - i.e. maybe a cop looked at their identification, then touched the car or something. I don't believe these men did it or had any motive to. (But they are taking a wrong angle, imo, by trying to convince people that she killed herself).

Same with this case. It would make much more sense based on the brutality and that she fought back so hard that she and the perp(s) knew each other. Especially any crime that is in close physical proximity (i.e. strangulation) - most of the time it is personal. But extraneous DNA needs to be identified and sourced.

Note: Although, there is a slight possibility that they aren't using it this way or they said something else, but the media miscommunicated and paraphrased it a different way. Terminology is really crucial, but hard to determine what is what unless coming from a direct source.

Excellent info - thanks for the generosity in sharing this.

 

[ThinkHard]

Going back to the psychic saying Russian. DJ. Etc.
According to RV Rooftop (the rooftop at Vetros) KV worked there in 2015, this was on their instagram. So did she continue to work at the restaurant, Vetro?

I know she also worked at Central Lounge in Astoria. This neighborhood is very Greek. There are also Russians. It's like the melting pot of European countries in one area. Perhaps the perp was speaking in another language and KV assumed it was Russian.

Sigh...I really hope they get a good lead soon. Someone out there had to have seen someone with scratches!!!!!!

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Could it be a euro mob type of guy who can't stand rejection? Who would have also been the type to frequent a club for business or pleasure and be attracted to the kardashian glitzed up type? I'm sure she was always dressed really nice for work... As it appears to be the case from photos I've seen. As in the type to maybe be involved in things like human trafficking?

 

[Inthedetails]

Could it be a euro mob type of guy who can't stand rejection? Who would have also been the type to frequent a club for business or pleasure and be attracted to the kardashian glitzed up type? I'm sure she was always dressed really nice for work... As it appears to be the case from photos I've seen. As in the type to maybe be involved in things like human trafficking?

Would a Euro mob type venture into the Weeds?

Perhaps, if he saw her run past the Ventro (can't remember if that's the right name of the place). Otherwise, I don't see that type in that type of park. I'd think that type of perp would be more likely to assault indoors, after trying to seduce and getting angry when it didn't work.

I could be wrong, of course.

jmopinion

 

[trigger]

My kids know. I don't do it behind their backs. They don't like it and they think I'm out of my mind. They blame WS.

My daughters knew also. I would put out the garbage pails to the curb so I could get the guys license plate number even though there was no garbage pick up. And I would ask them if I could see their license and if they didn't have it my daughter would say to the guy-I'll walk you out.

 

[Lauranyc83]

Can anyone point me in the direction of the scanner thread?

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[ThinkHard]

Would a Euro mob type venture into the Weeds?

Perhaps, if he saw her run past the Ventro (can't remember if that's the right name of the place). Otherwise, I don't see that type in that type of park. I'd think that type of perp would be more likely to assault indoors, after trying to seduce and getting angry when it didn't work.

I could be wrong, of course.

jmopinion

I wasn't thinking spontaneous attack. I was thinking more like someone who stalked her and was obsessed with her. In which case, yes absolutely, I think he would follow her wherever gave him an opportunity to be alone with her.

And if he is the the type to be involved in human trafficking I'm sure there is no shortage of sketchy areas of NY, good for crimes and dumping bodies, he would have been to and known about.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wasn't thinking spontaneous attack. I was thinking more like someone who stalked her and was obsessed with her. In which case, yes absolutely, I think he would follow her wherever gave him an opportunity to be alone with her.

And if he is the the type to be involved in human trafficking I'm sure there is no shortage of sketchy areas of NY, good for crimes and dumping bodies, he would have been to and known about.

I'm thinking the perp was someone who spent time outdoors and who knew the park well.

Hoping for a break in the case soon.

JMOpinion.

 

[moonriverfarm]

He knew her, or knew of her. This I believe.

 

[SleuthVT]

Could it be a euro mob type of guy who can't stand rejection? Who would have also been the type to frequent a club for business or pleasure and be attracted to the kardashian glitzed up type? I'm sure she was always dressed really nice for work... As it appears to be the case from photos I've seen. As in the type to maybe be involved in things like human trafficking?

I think this is something that people stereotype way too much. The issue with stereotypes is that they are a heuristic to make decisions faster and with less cognitive overload, but they aren't 100% accurate. What I'm trying to say is that it could very well have been a man who can't stand rejection, but doesn't necessarily have to be a "euro mob type" or involved with human trafficking (even if he is Russian)! That's an excessive assumption to make.

However, what I know from experience about Russian men is that they are **usually** very aggressive or cold. Could see it being the case here i.e. "overly aggressive."

Regardless of ethnicity, I do think there could be a high chance that it was someone she had rejected previously being vengeful. It's sad if that's the case because that's the reality for women these days - if you are feeling creepy / stalkery vibes, you should still be able to live your life normally. But it might just be best to disappear / try to start a new life elsewhere / or make yourself inaccessible.

 

[Inthedetails]

He knew her, or knew of her. This I believe.

What makes you think so? Can you elaborate?

 

[Lauranyc83]

I'm thinking the perp was someone who spent time outdoors and who knew the park well.

Hoping for a break in the case soon.

JMOpinion.

Thanks for pointing that out. It crossed my mind earlier to look up tags on Facebook and instagram of the park. Many photographers frequent the area to take photos. Not saying it's one of them, but does show that the area could of been walked by others at any moment. The killer seemed to be too sure that no one would come by, which is so odd! If you are a frequent in the park you'd know you may get caught.

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[ThinkHard]

My daughters knew also. I would put out the garbage pails to the curb so I could get the guys license plate number even though there was no garbage pick up. And I would ask them if I could see their license and if they didn't have it my daughter would say to the guy-I'll walk you out.

I think this is something that people stereotype way too much. The issue with stereotypes is that they are a heuristic to make decisions faster and with less cognitive overload, but they aren't 100% accurate. What I'm trying to say is that it could very well have been a man who can't stand rejection, but doesn't necessarily have to be a "euro mob type" or involved with human trafficking (even if he is Russian)! That's an excessive assumption to make.

However, what I know from experience about Russian men is that they are **usually** very aggressive or cold. Could see it being the case here i.e. "overly aggressive."

Regardless of ethnicity, I do think there could be a high chance that it was someone she had rejected previously being vengeful. It's sad if that's the case because that's the reality for women these days - if you are feeling creepy / stalkery vibes, you should still be able to live your life normally. But it might just be best to disappear / try to start a new life elsewhere / or make yourself inaccessible.

I agree completely that it is a stereotype and I almost prefaced it as such.

But human trafficking is a HUGE problem and is a reality, it's just stays very much under the radar.

So that being said, and just getting the inspiration from an apparent psychic.....

But it is an angle we haven't explored and I think there could be some potential for it or something like it to be an option.

I can see a man who feel things, including women are for their taking. I can see this type of man also the same type of man who might be involved in illegal activities that involved basically dehumanizing young women....and I don't think it's a long shot these same types might also be the type to frequent "lounges" like Vetro.

 

[ThinkHard]

Wait! I didn't see KV Instagram but does someone remember talk of a picture with her on there from Europe with a businessman?

 

[ThinkHard]

Thanks for pointing that out. It crossed my mind earlier to look up tags on Facebook and instagram of the park. Many photographers frequent the area to take photos. Not saying it's one of them, but does show that the area could of been walked by others at any moment. The killer seemed to be too sure that no one would come by, which is so odd! If you are a frequent in the park you'd know you may get caught.

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Could the second person have been his look out?

 

[Inthedetails]

Anyone who could have been stalking Karina in that neighborhood would've known how close she was to her father. I seriously doubt anyone who knew anything about her father - he's strong, brave, unafraid, very loyal to his family - would've messed with Karina. The dad was close by, and that was no secret.

JMOpinion

 

[Lauranyc83]

Can anyone point me in the direction of the scanner thread?

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Anyone? Lol. Or unless it can't be linked here, can someone PM me. Thank you

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[ThinkHard]

Anyone who could have been stalking Karina in that neighborhood would've known how close she was to her father. I seriously doubt anyone who knew anything about her father - he's strong, brave, unafraid, very loyal to his family - would've messed with Karina. The dad was close by, and that was no secret.

JMOpinion

I don't think this would have been someone her dad would have known about, or even anyone she neccasarily feared. I think it's more likely someone who frequented one of the places she worked at an d would try to ask her out or hit in her every time he came in. My guess is she viewed him as annoying but harmless. I get the impression he'd be more smooth and be the type to think he deserved her, so likely attractive....but also someone who's seemingly harmless but sleezeball routine she saw right through and wasn't interested.

My guess is she got hit on a lot and work so this wouldn't have been a big thing she would have neccasarily told her dad about.

And since he knew her from her work he may not have been very aware of her family. And if he was involved in other criminal activity, even if he did, might not have cared.

 

[SleuthVT]

I don't think this would have been someone her dad would have known about [...] And since he knew her from her work he may not have been very aware of her family. And if he was involved in other criminal activity, even if he did, might not have cared.

I agree. Parents sometimes have a tendency to overreact. If she had told her dad about creeps at work, there would probably be one response: "Then quit your job and/or call the police." But if she was making good money and enjoyed the job, she would maybe hesitate to mention anything. Plus, as an adult, most people don't want to come "cry" to their parents about every thing. I feel like that so often.

And I agree with the last part. If it was someone from work, I don't see them having much access to information about her family. But also the crime is very brutal, which makes me think it was someone who think they're an alpha male.