GUILTY NY - Kenneth White, 5, Berne, 18 Dec 2014

[screecher]

That link just takes you to the search page.

So sorry. Insert VanAlstyne in search last name, no need for first name, he will come up in the first four searches... he did time in Altona Correctional Facility, click on his highlighted number. that'll take you to his page.

 

[LAMARQ]

I'm so happy to see a thread started for this little boy. I live about 40 miles north of Berne and watched the local news coverage from the beginning. I was so shocked and sick waking to the news of his death. I'm not an emotional person, but I couldn't help but cry (perhaps because I have a 7 yo son).

Thank you all for your wonderful sleuth work... I couldn't find facebook pages, etc. of the family. I had found TV's facebook but really didn't think it was the same person at all until I confirmed it here and on other family's pages. I have to say, I'm very confused trying to follow the relations.

I think the family is running on pure adrenaline and speculation... not the facts as the investigator's have. Kenneth's uncle, JW, believes the death happened prior to yesterday as Kenneth hasn't been in school for 2 days. I'm sure the sheriff's office has confirmed he was at the doctor's appointment within the hour they believe he died.

If this goes to trial soon I would like to attend.

 

[Fifth Avenue]

I know plenty of people who were abused as children. Most of them go on to become excellent parents or even child advocates. There is no excuse for strangling a five year old child you've been in charge of for 30 minutes.

People respond differently obviously even in very similar circumstances.
It is very rare for a young female to go after a kid like that (if true she was alone with her only 30 minutes.
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What most would or would not do, is not exactly the issue here.
Most people could not and will never harm a child.

It is natural to act protectively towards a child, so something seriously wrong with her.
I am not looking for excuses but possible explanation or reasoning behind this kind a behaviour.


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[carbuff]

So sorry. Insert VanAlstyne in search last name, no need for first name, he will come up in the first four searches... he did time in Altona Correctional Facility, click on his highlighted number. that'll take you to his page.

Thanks, I was putting the space in and that didn't work

eta:

Okay, using the birthdate from that website, it appears that he is Kenneth William Vanalstyne, and he's probably the son of Kenneth A. Vanalstyne.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

13WHAM ‏@13WHAM 1m1 minute ago
BREAKING: 19-yr-old Tiffany VanAlstyne charged with murder in death of 5-yr-old Kenneth White (via @CBS6Jennifer)

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©Skip Dickstein ‏@SKIPSCAM 1m1 minute ago
Tiffany VanAlstyne is lead to Knox Town Court for her arraignment for the alleged murder of 5YO Kenneth White.

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Well, at least she feels at home in that jail suit.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It is natural to act protectively towards a child, so something seriously wrong with her.
I am not looking for excuses but possible explanation or reasoning behind this kind a behaviour.


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Based purely on what has been reported as the COD, I'd say she just lost it. Maybe he was crying, maybe he did something she didn't like, or said something, who knows. For some reason, she had the rage and anger inside her enough to strangled the life out of him and THEN knock his head into something (hence the blunt force trauma). Then, take him across the road, toss him over the guardrail and cover him with snow and come up with some lame story about what happened. I'd seriously doubt she has a history of violent behavior or she'd have never been left in charge of the kids for 30 seconds let alone for 30 minutes.

No matter why she did it, she did it. She was in charge of those kids and herself, and she chose to do what she did. I only hope his sisters didn't see it

 

[LietKynes]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2880492/Police-Abducted-5-year-old-NY-boy-dead.html

"..Vanalstyne was charged with second-degree murder today. Her mother Brenda Vanalstyne told a judge that her daughter suffers from bipolar disorder, which she takes medication for. .."

So this horrible crime happened because Tiffany was bipolar ? Doubtful that will help her case in court. However, one never knows.

Just an observation from the DM photos --- Tiffany looks different now than the pic of her and Brenda a year ago. Lost weight and something about her eyes are dead-looking ; in her mugshot.
:moo:

Rest in peace, Kenneth. You are in the arms of the angels now. Hoping his siblings can be placed with someone who loves them !

 

[MzOpinion8d]

You look at his facebook and he really loves his kids. Lots of pics of him doing things with them and saying how he wants to see them and wishing them happy birthday in August, etc. It really breaks my heart. I don't know why they where with the other family but sometimes the state doesn't always make the best decisions in regards to where a child is better off.

It's really easy to look like a good dad on FB.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

(snipped) I'd seriously doubt she has a history of violent behavior or she'd have never been left in charge of the kids for 30 seconds let alone for 30 minutes.

No matter why she did it, she did it. She was in charge of those kids and herself, and she chose to do what she did. I only hope his sisters didn't see it

If the rape conviction info is correct about the other party that has custody of these kids, I think all their judgment abilities are seriously skewed and there is no reason to think they wouldn't leave the kids with her even if she had a history of violence. Apparently no one has actually informed this family that raising children involves more than just keeping them alive. Which, now that I wrote that, I realize they couldn't even manage.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It's really easy to look like a good dad on FB.

Oh goodness you're NOT kidding. There are all kinds of people (oh, hi Tammy and Sidney Moorer) who go to *great* lengths to create a SM profile that is utterly nothing like what their real life is. I know a couple of people exactly like this and it drives me nuts to see people posting things to them, who don't really know them. UGH.

 

[Ontario Mom]

If the rape conviction info is correct about the other party that has custody of these kids, I think all their judgment abilities are seriously skewed and there is no reason to think they wouldn't leave the kids with her even if she had a history of violence. Apparently no one has actually informed this family that raising children involves more than just keeping them alive. Which, now that I wrote that, I realize they couldn't even manage.

Touche'. My apologies, I had actually overlooked that little gem.

 

[borndem]

Please excuse if a repeat, but I saw this today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2880492/Police-Abducted-5-year-old-NY-boy-dead.html

 

[KJ's Mamu]

Feeling deep sadness over the loss of yet another innocent child.

 

[MsMarple]

Based purely on what has been reported as the COD, I'd say she just lost it. Maybe he was crying, maybe he did something she didn't like, or said something, who knows. For some reason, she had the rage and anger inside her enough to strangled the life out of him and THEN knock his head into something (hence the blunt force trauma). Then, take him across the road, toss him over the guardrail and cover him with snow and come up with some lame story about what happened. I'd seriously doubt she has a history of violent behavior or she'd have never been left in charge of the kids for 30 seconds let alone for 30 minutes.

No matter why she did it, she did it. She was in charge of those kids and herself, and she chose to do what she did. I only hope his sisters didn't see it

If what the sheriff said about the murder happening within 30 minutes or less of being alone with Kenneth is correct, that must have been some rage. What could a 5-year-old do in such a short time to light someone's fuse to that point? My suspicious mind says there's way more to this story.

 

[MsMarple]

It's really easy to look like a good dad on FB.

If the rape conviction info is correct about the other party that has custody of these kids, I think all their judgment abilities are seriously skewed and there is no reason to think they wouldn't leave the kids with her even if she had a history of violence. Apparently no one has actually informed this family that raising children involves more than just keeping them alive. Which, now that I wrote that, I realize they couldn't even manage.

Oh, you betcha! I'm sick to death of so-called caregivers posting idiotic stuff on FB to paint themselves as kind, loving people. It never reflects their actions in real life.

This entire family - including those who are not directly involved with Kenneth's murder - are messed up. I watched the press conference. I took note of the facial expressions, the tone of voice from Apple and the other man (DA?). I listened to them skirting around sensitive questions about the other kids in that house.

If those two were members of WS I guarantee they would be posting comments like "sitting on my hands here, wanting to say more." It's clear that they wanted to just spew about what they found in that house and what they thought of all the adults.

This story is far from over. Bah.

End rant.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Thank you all for your heartfelt posts to Little Kenneth's threads. I've spent a long day between campuses with my girls watching them sing their hearts out on their last day before Christmas break. It was a day filled with hidden tears as I've kept up here, reading your updates :tears:

I still haven't been able to reconcile my heart and mind with all that transpired last night. :no: I am the first to admit I fell for the lies this monster told, wanting to believe her crazy story, searching for and listening to several different feeds, trying to find a nonexistent needle in a haystack that wasn't ever there. :hearno: I am very angry tonight as I try to process the ugly truth of what really happened to this innocent little child in that trailer. He likely thought he was safe. The reality is, there was no safe place for Little Kenneth, and that is so wrong that I can't even begin to find the words....



His beautiful smile will never be seen again. He will never see another sunrise, get to grow up, go to prom, get married, have a family, fulfill all the promise and potential he deserved as a child of God, because of the heinous act of his own family member!

I kept thinking, "It should have been him up there today!" singing with his classmates, laughing and lighting up the world....

Instead, we mourn his violent exit from this earth. Tonight, I shed tears, for Little Kenneth, and his cohort of victims. There are far too many of them, and I know there will be more.

#RIPLittleKennethWhite

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[borndem]

Quit killing our BABIES!

Oh, SCHMAE, you said it. And I'll say what I've said so many times -- Heaven is too full of little angels, and now Heaven (or your word and idea of it) gets one more. His name is Kenneth, or Kenny, or Ken, and he is 5 years old. Now I see him laughing, running, jumping, having ice cream and cake, or macaroni, or spaghetti, or Froot Loops, etc., etc., and he is happy all the time and fear is not something he will ever know or feel again. He is free of all things negative and always will be.

I have seen only two pictures of him, and he looked sad and fearful in each one. That made me want to go out into the street and scream. These people do these things because they can. If Kenneth had been 25 years old instead of just 5, 6'5" instead of something like 40", 215 lbs. instead of somewhere around 40, he would still be with us. He was too little, too weak, too trusting, and he had no choice. And now he is gone. I hope there are people who truly loved him, and that they will one day be able to sleep without crying first.

Stop killing our babies, indeed!

 

[Jilllian]

As a twin, I can imagine how heartbreaking this is. There will always be that emptiness. That hole in her heart. My twin and I were connected from the start, and will always be. It's a connection that most can't understand.

That poor dear girl who lost her twin brother. My heart just aches for her....

 

[FindHG]

Lit a candle for little Kenneth White, tonight. Still not willing to accept his unconscionable death, the most of what I know of his life. May his little sisters and bother live lives that he would want for them.

 

[Ontario Mom]

If what the sheriff said about the murder happening within 30 minutes or less of being alone with Kenneth is correct, that must have been some rage. What could a 5-year-old do in such a short time to light someone's fuse to that point? My suspicious mind says there's way more to this story.

Clearly she had a short enough fuse for it to have been anything, or nothing he did. Or, maybe she'd been abusing him all along, and this time it just went too far? I suspect more too and hope it comes out.