GUILTY NY - Kyle Underhill, 18, beaten, choked, left to die in Islip marsh, 16 Nov 2011
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That's the #1 question! In all the lame years of local Newsday coverage...MOTIVE was never established, even post-conviction!
Islip is my hometown, and I've heard local chatter that KU and TL's relationship had been sexual at some point. I'm not sure of KU's publicly perceived sexuality was at the time of his death, and Newsday made one mention of a female "girlfriend" by name, with no follow-up. KU could have been bisexual, it could have been a one-time hook-up, or it's possible they could have both l have been coming to terms with their sexuality at that age. It doesn't matter to any of us what either's orientation was. Sexuality is a highly personal subject, and we're not required to declare it publicly. Kyle Underhill was viciously murdered. Therefore, in the case of this violent homicide, determining the nature of KU and TL's sexual relationship is relevant.
One of Newsday's watered-down stories had an interesting component of KU and TL's interactions leading up to the murder. KU worked at a local bakery, and a coworker testified that TL visited KU at work before his death and the two spent 45 minutes together cleaning the bakery before it closed. Doesn't that sound strange to you? Newsday sometimes cuts-off parts of stories, so I'll post the article text below. Please let me know what you think!
From Newsday 10/21/15:
Hours before a young Islip man was bludgeoned, choked and buried alive, one of his co-workers overheard some dark muttering from him, she testified Wednesday in Riverhead." I'm going to kill this kid," an agitated Kyle Underhill said as he worked at Manhattan Sweets Boutique Bakery in Islip, co-worker Ashley Genovez testified. "I'm going to jail for murder."
"I asked him if everything was OK," she said, but didn't say if he responded.
Within a few hours on Nov. 16, 2011, Underhill, 18, would be dead and buried in a marshy grave in the woods on Brook Street in Islip. Genovez testified at the trial of the man charged with second-degree murder, Thomas Liming, 23, of Islip.
His attorney, Joseph Corozzo of Manhattan, has not contested that Liming killed Underhill, but has suggested he was justified.
Genovez is the third witness to testify Underhill's mood had darkened in the weeks before his death. That period roughly coincided with when Liming, an estranged friend from Islip High School, reconnected with him.
During questioning by Assistant District Attorney Kathleen Kearon, Genovez said that about an hour after Underhill's muttering about murder, a young man walked into the bakery. He ignored her greeting and walked straight to the kitchen area where Underhill worked, she said.
"He was mysterious, and he had his arm up covering his face," Genovez said. She didn't recognize the man, but the store's surveillance video, played for the jury, showed it was Liming.
She saw Underhill point a finger in Liming's face, but said she couldn't hear what they said.
After that, they spent about 45 minutes cleaning the bakery before it closed, she said. She had never seen a non-employee help Underhill clean, she said.
At one point on the video in response to a question by Kearon, Genovez said Liming was wearing latex gloves as he cleaned, something Underhill never did. Latex gloves with Underhill's blood on them were found near his body.
http://www.newsday.com/beta/long-is...to-slaying-1.10994546?timestamp=1506397367995
Islip is my hometown, and I've heard local chatter that KU and TL's relationship had been sexual at some point. I'm not sure of KU's publicly perceived sexuality was at the time of his death, and Newsday made one mention of a female "girlfriend" by name, with no follow-up. KU could have been bisexual, it could have been a one-time hook-up, or it's possible they could have both l have been coming to terms with their sexuality at that age. It doesn't matter to any of us what either's orientation was. Sexuality is a highly personal subject, and we're not required to declare it publicly. Kyle Underhill was viciously murdered. Therefore, in the case of this violent homicide, determining the nature of KU and TL's sexual relationship is relevant.
One of Newsday's watered-down stories had an interesting component of KU and TL's interactions leading up to the murder. KU worked at a local bakery, and a coworker testified that TL visited KU at work before his death and the two spent 45 minutes together cleaning the bakery before it closed. Doesn't that sound strange to you? Newsday sometimes cuts-off parts of stories, so I'll post the article text below. Please let me know what you think!
From Newsday 10/21/15:
Hours before a young Islip man was bludgeoned, choked and buried alive, one of his co-workers overheard some dark muttering from him, she testified Wednesday in Riverhead." I'm going to kill this kid," an agitated Kyle Underhill said as he worked at Manhattan Sweets Boutique Bakery in Islip, co-worker Ashley Genovez testified. "I'm going to jail for murder."
"I asked him if everything was OK," she said, but didn't say if he responded.
Within a few hours on Nov. 16, 2011, Underhill, 18, would be dead and buried in a marshy grave in the woods on Brook Street in Islip. Genovez testified at the trial of the man charged with second-degree murder, Thomas Liming, 23, of Islip.
His attorney, Joseph Corozzo of Manhattan, has not contested that Liming killed Underhill, but has suggested he was justified.
Genovez is the third witness to testify Underhill's mood had darkened in the weeks before his death. That period roughly coincided with when Liming, an estranged friend from Islip High School, reconnected with him.
During questioning by Assistant District Attorney Kathleen Kearon, Genovez said that about an hour after Underhill's muttering about murder, a young man walked into the bakery. He ignored her greeting and walked straight to the kitchen area where Underhill worked, she said.
"He was mysterious, and he had his arm up covering his face," Genovez said. She didn't recognize the man, but the store's surveillance video, played for the jury, showed it was Liming.
She saw Underhill point a finger in Liming's face, but said she couldn't hear what they said.
After that, they spent about 45 minutes cleaning the bakery before it closed, she said. She had never seen a non-employee help Underhill clean, she said.
At one point on the video in response to a question by Kearon, Genovez said Liming was wearing latex gloves as he cleaned, something Underhill never did. Latex gloves with Underhill's blood on them were found near his body.
http://www.newsday.com/beta/long-is...to-slaying-1.10994546?timestamp=1506397367995
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