NY - Lauren Belius, 6, stabbed to death, 19 July 2011 *Insanity*

[Lovejac]

I love to see people join together to do something good, in the face of something so tragic.

http://oneidadispatch.com/articles/2011/07/26/news/doc4e2f473dc4b3d375704085.txt

Perry lives down the street from the Belius family. The fact that she doesn’t know the family well is irrelevant to her desire to help them. They are simply neighbors, but like most in the small city of Sherrill, they are familiar faces.

While others feel the instinctive urge to do something, to help somehow, “there’s not a lot anybody can do,” Perry said

 

[JoeFromLB]

I don't believe there is currently a death penalty in NY.

This monster will go full-blown insanity defense, get sent away for a few years, then be pronounced "cured" by a team of psychiatrists. Just watch...

 

[MsFacetious]

The man accused of fatally stabbing 6-year-old Lauren Belius may have been suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, public defenders said Friday.

David L. Trebilcock, 30, will undergo an examination by the Oneida County Mental Health Department, Sherrill Judge Neal Rose ruled Friday morning.

Dawn Catera Lupi, first assistant district attorney of the Oneida County, said the examination will determine if Trebilcock is competent to stand trial and understands the legal system. He pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder charges earlier this week.

But Trebilcock’s explanation for the attack was not rational, Nebush said.

“He said Jesus made him do it,” he said.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/man_who_attacked_6-year-old_la.html



Nebush says those family members say the 30 year old Trebilcock has had a history of schizophrenia which goes back several years.

Nebush says he has handled cases in the past where the defendant in the case has suffered from mental illness and is familiar with schizophrenia.

He says, "primordial onset of schizophrenia is usually around 19 years old, you can go on from there, and suffer as a schizophrenic, and have issues if you're not on medication and that may be an issue here, but until you investigate, we don't even know if he was ever medicated or had a prescription for any psychotropic illness."

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/Fata...s-attorney-Jesus-made-me-do-it-126407048.html



An accused killer’s attorney says his client believes Jesus made him kill his girlfriend’s 6-year-old daughter.

Nebush was unsure if his client has ever sought help or been on medication. His mental health issues seem to have surfaced “on and off” in the past, Nebush gathered from talking with Trebilcock’s family, and up until July 19, he has been “relatively harmless.”

http://oneidadispatch.com/articles/2011/07/29/news/doc4e32e6e629897681764035.txt?viewmode=2

 

[Charlie09]

“relatively harmless.”



Wouldn't schizophrenia be something you'd mention to your new girlfriend, or family members mention?

I can't imagine knowingly inviting that into my child's life (if there were a choice).

 

[jjenny]

“relatively harmless.”



Wouldn't schizophrenia be something you'd mention to your new girlfriend, or family members mention?

I can't imagine knowingly inviting that into my child's life (if there were a choice).

I wonder as to how the g/f didn't notice any issues, if, as defense lawyer claims he might have had paranoid schizophrenia for years.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I love this site, I really do but i'm wondering if it is affecting me negatively? Instead of feeling empowered, i feel so helpless at nearly every story!Look at this beautiful little girl! Why does God let these things happen?
I'm close to tears right now.
RIP precious Lauren...

BBM-I do know what you mean as I have had those same thoughts and feeling before but I also think to myself if I hadn't been introduced to WS then I really would have gone out blindly into the world for the rest of my days not treasuring every single moment and day with my children and grandchildren.
I am a lot more cautious and aware of my surroundings, especially when I have my grandkids around. Yes, there is evil in this world and my job is to protect my family from it if at all possible. I would have never known some of the information needed to protect my family if it were not for WS. Maybe we aren't meant to help every child in every story, although our hearts break for them. Maybe, we are to be aware of the children that are right under our noses, love them a little longer, read a story, spend time with them, teach the grown children how to protect their new babies and to keep their eyes on them at all times.
I can not put into words the wisdom that sooo many other WS'ers have shared here that I have taken to heart and utilized to attempt at improving myself as a better and more enlightened person.
Why do bad things happen? That one, I just don't know......

 

[MsFacetious]

I wonder as to how the g/f didn't notice any issues, if, as defense lawyer claims he might have had paranoid schizophrenia for years.

The lawyer also said it would "come and go" which probably meant he was on medication for it.

Even if you know someone has Schizophrenia if they have never had any type of history of violence... thinking they might one day stab your 6 year old daughter, is quite a stretch.

I don't know if she knew or not... but if she did I will reserve judgment. Unless we find out that he had been violent in the past, or she had seen clear signs recently that he was losing it.

Several people talked about him... all just talked about what a great guy he was, with the exception of when he started acting very odd recently.

So I do believe it's very possible that it was well controlled with medication and people may never have known. Maybe he stopped/changed his meds, maybe they no longer worked, maybe the pharmacy gave him the wrong ones... for whatever reason it was no longer under control.


Schizophrenia is heartbreaking.
You can have this absolutely wonderful person... when they are on their meds. When they stop their meds... a whole different world.

If you fall in love with someone and you want to be with them... it would be really hard to say "You aren't good enough because you have a mental illness, even though you are working so hard to control it and doing great and have no history of violence whatsoever."

On the other side... if you fall in love with someone and want to be with them... and your Schizophrenia is under control... it would be hard to tell them knowing it would probably end in your rejection.

It's just a heartbreaking situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. :twocents:

 

[jjenny]

Frankly, from what his lawyer said, I am not sure he was even officially diagnosed. Let alone taking any meds for it.

 

[InTheGarden]

No evidence of child abuse. Are you kidding?

The abuse started when the couple separated fracturing the family, with the father moving out of the house, and then multipled when the mother moved in a boyfriend two weeks later.

Did the family members who knew of the boyfriend's history of psychosis and schizophrenia do the right thing and tell anyone about it? Or did they feel that "their problem" is now the responsibility of the new girlfriend?

People, anyone can be NICE. Tatoos, low-level job in a nursing home, not in school to better himself, previous mug shot?????? Not around my kids.

When a marriage produces children, they are your top priority. For better or worse, at least stick it out until the youngest is 18 yrs. to make sure your kids are protected.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Me thinks the public defender's diagnosis is as valid as his medical degree.

 

[JoeFromLB]

No evidence of child abuse. Are you kidding?

The abuse started when the couple separated fracturing the family, with the father moving out of the house, and then multipled when the mother moved in a boyfriend two weeks later.

Did the family members who knew of the boyfriend's history of psychosis and schizophrenia do the right thing and tell anyone about it? Or did they feel that "their problem" is now the responsibility of the new girlfriend?

People, anyone can be NICE. Tatoos, low-level job in a nursing home, not in school to better himself, previous mug shot?????? Not around my kids.

When a marriage produces children, they are your top priority. For better or worse, at least stick it out until the youngest is 18 yrs. to make sure your kids are protected.

GREAT first post!

WELCOME to Websleuths!

 

[InTheGarden]

JoeFromLB - thanks for the support! Sometimes I feel like I grew up in the wrong century. The family is the basic unit of our society, when the family unit deteriorates, so goes society.

 

[MsFacetious]

No evidence of child abuse. Are you kidding?

The abuse started when the couple separated fracturing the family, with the father moving out of the house, and then multipled when the mother moved in a boyfriend two weeks later.

Did the family members who knew of the boyfriend's history of psychosis and schizophrenia do the right thing and tell anyone about it? Or did they feel that "their problem" is now the responsibility of the new girlfriend?

People, anyone can be NICE. Tatoos, low-level job in a nursing home, not in school to better himself, previous mug shot?????? Not around my kids.

When a marriage produces children, they are your top priority. For better or worse, at least stick it out until the youngest is 18 yrs. to make sure your kids are protected.

Despite an in law who has been married 3 times since her 4 year old was born... I wouldn't have encouraged her to stay with her daughter's father either. Just because you have kids with someone... doesn't mean you should stay with them until your kids turn 18.

I can't criticize Lauren's Mom for that... and she could have married this guy before moving him in and ended up in the same situation. That piece of paper doesn't make his Schizophrenia go away. (My in law found that out with husband #2.)

I have not dated anyone other than my daughter's father since I had my daughter's. I would not, because I'm too afraid anyway.

I WISH so badly that my parents had just gotten divorced instead of "sticking it out" until the kids were 18. Because neither kid, ever wants to get married.

I am utterly terrified of marriage. I went to a wedding tonight and realized... I would much rather go to a funeral.

It doesn't matter if I'm madly in love with a wealthy guy... say the word "marriage" and I am GONE. I will never get married.

I would have been so much better off if they had gotten divorced and I had lived with my Dad. My "issues" would be much less than they are. :twocents:

 

[Charmaine]

Why would anyone bring any "Unknown" under the roof with her baby or babies" Mother is not responsible for this heinous stabbing..BUT when will single mom's ever learn to protect their "Cubbies"??? Yike..been there..done that..sure was a HELL OF ALLOT OF HOOPs and Trials to be proven LONG before a "Suitor" even got exposed my my Boyz....Yikes!!


I am sure this nasty excuse for a man will ROT IN HELL..but more important ALL single mom's who feel lonely should take NOTICE...NO WAY ANYONE connects with your KIDS until they have proven themselves..over and over again!!!!!


Yes Indeed..free will is something that is paramount..however. the flip side of your choices means "SUFFER CONSEQUENSES"//..I happen to believe that this "Mother" is going to experience "Hell on Earth" with what she saw!..however..IT also should be just another example of poor decisions single parents of "youngsters" make ALL TOO OFTEN!!..
I am just so disallusioned right now I could SPIT!!:sick:

I have read through the comments on here and some of them make me sick. People want to comment and place opinions on the internet without knowing the facts. First off...I am a friend of Allison's. The person that a couple of you are making her out to be is sickening. Do not believe everything you read in the media...just because it is written there does not mean it is true. Allison is a wonderful mother to her children, and loves them more than anything. She would have given her life that day to save ALL THREE of them. But unfortunatly was only able to save 2. Maybe she could have saved Lauren but while she was trying and performing CPR this monster stabbed her baby girl in the neck. She would have given her life that day for Lauren if she could have.

As far as this statement goes "Why would anyone bring any "Unknown" under the roof with her baby or babies" Mother is not responsible for this heinous stabbing..BUT when will single mom's ever learn to protect their "Cubbies"??? "...Please know your facts. Allison Knew this man for over 2 years BEFORE he moved in 6 months prior to the incident. She did not involve her children with this man for at least a year. Then...they were slowly introduced over time. She did not just move some stranger into her home with her children. The father made a statement that she moved him in 2 weeks after he moved out....THIS STATEMENT IS INCORRECT!!! The father was REMOVED from the home 10 months PRIOR to David moving in. Of course the father is going to make her look bad to the media....he is an ex and unfortunately....this is how many "ex's" are. They will say what they will to make themselves look good and the other look bad. Please note that the father was interviewed also and these were his statements “I always asked the girls if he was nice to them and if he was nice to mommy,” he said.“I asked the questions because I wanted to see if there were any signs of abuse. But there was nothing.” SO over more than a two year period....the father suspected NOTHING either. So the father must be to blame also....right? There is nobody to blame here EXCEPT the monster that did this to this beautiful little girl.

I also see a couple of you mentioning this little girl being raped. Nothing has ever been said about that so why bring it up? That does nothing but start rumors.....unless it is a statement founded to be true...please do not state it. There are so many accusations out there and the more that are started, the more hurt that is going to be put on this family. Allison has not said anything about this accusation, so to my knowledge, there is no truth to it.

For those of you that have given words of support for this family, I thank you. This is what they need. All the support in the world. Nobody should have to live the nightmare that Allison and her children did, but unfortuatley, they did. Now this mother has to relive this nightmare everyday in her head. The things that happened that day haunt her nightly.

Here is something she wrote tonight:
I'm afraid to go to sleep. Lauren...please come visit me tonight. I miss you so much baby. Nolan, erica and I just talked for a long time about our favorite times with you. Tonight..we're all cuddling with your blankie. Love you baby!

Something she wrote Saturday:
For yrs ago I was told id most likely die from an illness. I fought it and survived for my children. Three yrs ago, it was a tumor that I fought, again for my children. Two weeks ago I battled pure evil, I survived but lost one child. I'm not done fighting for u yet lauren. I will beat this monster in the end. I promise you lauren...mommy's going to beat him for you. I love u baby girl!


After Court on Friday:

He's a coward!! Today was a tough day, but I will never be too scared to face him. Mommys going to fight for you Lauren, no matter what it takes!


Thursday:
Wish I could close my eyes without seeing what I've seen. Oh Lauren, I'm so sorry. I tried so hard but it wasn't enough. I love you so much baby. I miss you so much. Id give anything to have you here with me now.

Wednesday:
Good night Lauren. Mommy loves you...foerever and ever. Bean and I will be looking for "our" star every night. We saw while we walked around our new town tonight and made a pact to use it to talk to you every night. I promise to never forget what a gift you were to me and you will always live on through your twin.

Tuesday:
Surgery is done. Horrible day. Panic attack in the or because I was afraid he might have been on the same table last week. They promised he wasn't. Woke up sobbing and reliving that morning. Had to be resedated. But I'm ok now. Looking at the pictures laurens drawing in the clouds. Beautiful. I know they're from her to me.

This woman is an inspiration to us all. After losing her daughter, she has stayed strong for her other two. She keeps them active and talks to them all the time about their sister. They talk about all the wonderful memories they had together as a family with Lauren. My heart breaks for her....I couldn't imagine being in her shoes right now. THe pain she is feeling is something nobody ever should. When people are pointing fingers and blaming her for something that is not her fault they are making this womans pain twice as bad. This family needs to grieve the loss of this little girl. Please allow them to do so.

 

[Charmaine]

Frankly, from what his lawyer said, I am not sure he was even officially diagnosed. Let alone taking any meds for it.

I also want to add that yes..the lawyer is now claiming "schizophrenia". This is coming from a lawyer...last I knew they did not have medical degrees. Is it true??? Maybe. I am not a psychiatrist so I do not know. This information was given from David's father and brother. David has not seen his father in 10 years and the brother is 16! The way I see it....David was caught in the act, so there is no denying that he murdered this little girl. The ONLY way out of it is to claim insanity. He worked at a nursing home...with elderly people. He has worked with schizophrenia first hand and I am sure knowing how these people act, he could pull it off in front of the lawyer. Let's see what happens after he has his mental evaluation. Then on August 24th, we will see what comes out in court.

 

[Charmaine]

I am so sorry for the mother, but I cannot understand why - or how - she can continue to speak to the media. I would be on my knees.

There is no doubt in my mind why he killed this precious child. I just hope this woman has enough presence of mind to get the twin into therapy....NOW.

RIP beautiful baby girl.

The other children were in therapy with in a couple of days after the murder.

 

[MsFacetious]

Honestly, I think the only reasonable explanation is something like Schizophrenia.

Allison was careful about this guy, as far as we know she didn't see any warning signs. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

If he was just an evil guy... that wanted to kill her child... you'd think she would have seen signs of that. Or somebody would have.

If he was just a pedophile who hooked up with her because of her kids, I'd think twin E would have mentioned abuse since he's incarcerated.
(This does happen, which is why the theory was mentioned. You'd be amazed at the number of stepfathers and some stepmothers who abuse their stepkids and/or kill them. We could give you a list... It was a valid theory.)


If it was something psychological he could be perfectly normal for years... then just snap one night.

This would mean that Allison would have no warning. (Know that I am on Allison's side, I don't think she had any responsibility here.)


I must be missing something.

If it's not psychological and it's not abuse motivated... then what would be his motive for killing Lauren in such a violent manner?

Has he had a recent head injury? Does he have a brain tumor? Has he been on any medication? I can't think of much else.

Most of the other premeditated motives would require hiding the crime and the body... which he couldn't have done under these circumstances.


I know some things are just unexplained... but I think that would be harder for Allison to accept.

What do YOU think happened? What am I missing?

I also want to add that yes..the lawyer is now claiming "schizophrenia". This is coming from a lawyer...last I knew they did not have medical degrees. Is it true??? Maybe. I am not a psychiatrist so I do not know. This information was given from David's father and brother. David has not seen his father in 10 years and the brother is 16! The way I see it....David was caught in the act, so there is no denying that he murdered this little girl. The ONLY way out of it is to claim insanity. He worked at a nursing home...with elderly people. He has worked with schizophrenia first hand and I am sure knowing how these people act, he could pull it off in front of the lawyer. Let's see what happens after he has his mental evaluation. Then on August 24th, we will see what comes out in court.

 

[Charmaine]

I do not know what happened. Could it be schizophrenia...maybe. But usually from what I have read, you will see signs for at least 6 months prior to a full outburst. There is also the possibility of schizophreneform...which is similar. From my knowledge...there were no signs of anything. There is a drug being used now called "bath salts"...please google it. To me...this may be a possiblity. I do not know David...never met him. I can not tell you if he did drugs at all...but if he did....Allison had no knowledge of it. From what I understand, this was not the type of person he was. But the results of the drug make sense. I am not sure if there was a tox report made. I am sure the hospital must have tested him when he was admitted. I myself have no clue though, neither does Allison or anyone else. Hopefully we can find out soon as it is a question everyone is asking. How does a perfectly normal person turn into a monster overnight? Really does not make alot of sense. There was a neighbor that commented that just a couple of days before, he was watching David with all three kids out fishing and he was teaching them all how. I THINK that was the same neighbor that called 911 when the kids went to his house....

At this point, nobody really knows why, except maybe David. Until then, we can just wonder and hope for an answer that is reality, not "Jesus made me do it".

 

[Charmaine]

I also want to add that this was somewhat premeditated. Not only was the door closed with a dresser in front of it, he had a "steak" knife, not a pocket knife. Allison also has a very protective Golden Retriever....this dog was found locked in the garage. There was some thought behind this before it was done.

 

[MsFacetious]

By premeditation I mean not having a witness, not having a screaming victim, not leaving the body at the scene...

For example, if he felt Lauren was in the way of his relationship... he wasn't going to kill her and then live happily ever after with Allison.
He was going to get caught killing her.

There have been several cases of boyfriends who killed the girlfriend's children and concealed the crime.
(Some with the mother's help, some without.) Some took years to be discovered.
Some were free for quite a while because there wasn't a body at the scene, it was reported as a missing child.

Marc Bookal - concealed
Aveion Lewis - landfill
Jozlynn Martinez -landfill never found
Ethan Stacy - buried
Riley Ann Sawyer (Baby Grace) water
Erica Green (Precious Doe) concealed

Abuse goes too far, parent tries to cover it up... that happens. It isn't usually premeditated.

There are not many like Lauren's... This is not what we normally see. Which generally means there is something different about it.
Figuring out what that is... will be the difficult part.
Until we know what that is, we don't know if finding out will be at all helpful.