NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[CanManEh]

Do you believe that SG is even part of the group killed and dumped or do you think SG is not in that mix and its a completly seperate incident ?

 

[minazoe]

I haven't spent much time on the AC bodies, but something i read recently (from john douglas) said that it is common for SK's to leave their victims to be found when they are far away from home, but if they are dumping a body close to home will put in effort to hide the bodies. Common sense really.

Also, I read somewhere that the AC investigators believe their suspect has a foot fetish, hence the no shoes or socks. Foot fetish, foot fetish, hmmm. I bet if he was more comfortable in AC, and had more time, he would have liked to take off one of those feet, or both.

Some sort of trauma is usually the cause of the angry thought processes that lead to serial murder (John Douglas not me).

Trauma from losing a leg + Rejection from women due to handicap = Motive
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Rejection, resentment, foot fetish, dismembered feet and legs of victim, carry the 2... I'm officially going with Mr Hyde for the AC murders as well.

yes yes yes and above all YES.

thanx truthie...I completley agree and the idea that the killer would display his victims away from home, it does make sense to me now.

 

[JudysSisterMaureen]

I still wonder if my sister is one of the bodies found there. She lived the lifestyle, it fits, but the timing doesn't - she was last known alive 11/30/1980. Judith Erin O'Donnell - she's on charley project, doe network, maryland missing, NYS missing, namus.gov - and has a facebook page - still looking for judy - Judith Erin O'Donnell LKA 11-30-1980. and, of course, a page here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53404&page=2

If I can reach out and touch just ONE parent (I am a parent of three myself now - they're 2, 4, and 8) -- keep the door always open for your kids to talk to you. Let them know it's ok. Let them know every single day how much you love them. and if something doesn't seem right - find it and get it out of your house. Whatever it is.

I hope all of the bodies are identified and the remains brought back to the families. Someone, somewhere, is missing each of the unidentifieds.

 

[21merc7]

I still wonder if my sister is one of the bodies found there. She lived the lifestyle, it fits, but the timing doesn't - she was last known alive 11/30/1980. Judith Erin O'Donnell - she's on charley project, doe network, maryland missing, NYS missing, namus.gov - and has a facebook page - still looking for judy - Judith Erin O'Donnell LKA 11-30-1980. and, of course, a page here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53404&page=2

If I can reach out and touch just ONE parent (I am a parent of three myself now - they're 2, 4, and 8) -- keep the door always open for your kids to talk to you. Let them know it's ok. Let them know every single day how much you love them. and if something doesn't seem right - find it and get it out of your house. Whatever it is.

I hope all of the bodies are identified and the remains brought back to the families. Someone, somewhere, is missing each of the unidentifieds.

I am so sorry about your sister. :grouphug:

Have you called the authorities or contacted anyone about your sister and Long Island? I'm sure dna would be needed to identify. I don't know where to point you for contacting, but I would try the higher level, maybe the FBI or any contact number for Dormer, rather than the small local LE there. Hopefully someone here will know just who to contact.

Good luck and please let us know how everything goes.

 

[truthspider]

M_K, Welcome back my friend!

Perhaps one of our LI locals knows something and can enlighten us!

I wonder which name Shannan was using that fateful night? Angelina? Madison?

I think this is why cph wrote in that letter....

"When I first heard the name of a person named Shannan Gilbert she was already missing."

Of course she was. He didn't know her as Shannan when he saw her that night...and I believe he did. De-personalization maybe? MOO

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Yes Maltida, it may seem minor, but one of the first things you will read when learning about lie detection is that when people are lying, they try to avoid lying by not making direct statements.

"Liars sometimes avoid lying by not making direct statements. They imply answers instead of denying something directly"

 

[rodent69]

You asked my why I didn't take a polygraph test. I was willing, but learned certain health issues that I am being treated for would negate its results and therefore interpretation.

Well that's convenient; Does such a health condition in fact exist? Other than the obvious "I'm lying about something and afraid to take the test" disorder.

 

[21merc7]

Well that's convenient; Does such a health condition in fact exist? Other than the obvious "I'm lying about something and afraid to take the test" disorder.

It may be the medications he takes that would alter any results from a polygraph. Quite honestly polygraphs are useless, but they still seem to be given and interpreted.

 

[truthspider]

It may be the medications he takes that would alter any results from a polygraph. Quite honestly polygraphs are useless, but they still seem to be given and interpreted.

diagnosis: "liar pathologicus", "wooden foot syndrome", vitiligo, hyper vigilance, sociopathy, annual poison ivy rash, diarrhea of the mouth, and let's throw in Lyme Disease for good measure.

allergies include, but aren't limited to, cadaver dogs, polygraphs, the truth, dinner with the family, steering clear of media attention, holding a job, members of society that don't live in a gated community, and keeping his mouth shut.


* disorders in double quotes were made up by me, I don't even play a doctor on tv

 

[rodent69]

Quite honestly polygraphs are useless

Fair enough, but I was more likely to defend the guy than not up until I read his letters. Basically just announcing that I no longer believe the guy.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It may be the medications he takes that would alter any results from a polygraph. Quite honestly polygraphs are useless, but they still seem to be given and interpreted.

Also, there are diseases themselves that can give false readings on polys...high blood pressure, low blood pressure, a host of things. But I don't think that's why our Dr. friend refused to take one. Just sayin'.

 

[Soulmagent]

I still wonder if my sister is one of the bodies found there. She lived the lifestyle, it fits, but the timing doesn't - she was last known alive 11/30/1980. Judith Erin O'Donnell - she's on charley project, doe network, maryland missing, NYS missing, namus.gov - and has a facebook page - still looking for judy - Judith Erin O'Donnell LKA 11-30-1980. and, of course, a page here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53404&page=2

If I can reach out and touch just ONE parent (I am a parent of three myself now - they're 2, 4, and 8) -- keep the door always open for your kids to talk to you. Let them know it's ok. Let them know every single day how much you love them. and if something doesn't seem right - find it and get it out of your house. Whatever it is.

I hope all of the bodies are identified and the remains brought back to the families. Someone, somewhere, is missing each of the unidentifieds.

I saw you had posted about ST. Marys I was wondering if you know if any other students from there have been reported missing or were murdered?

 

[minazoe]

I think its called polygraph-apathy it's a condition borne of intense grandiosity and disregard for mere authority,

"I could take a poly, but what would it show? and my lawyer and yaddah yadda blah bla blah..."

 

[Sillybilly]

... those letters are troublesome and I wonder if we can find out how they were transmited to NBC ...

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Don't know about the first letter minazoe, but the second letter has fax transmission data at the top of Pg 2 and 3 (no Pg 1, but presumably that was a fax cover sheet). FWIW, the second letter was dated June 28 but not faxed until June 30.

 

[JeannieC]

I hope all of the bodies are identified and the remains brought back to the families. Someone, somewhere, is missing each of the unidentifieds.[/QUOTE]

Respectfully shortened Quote.

Thank you for sharing with us. I'm am so sorry to hear about your sister. I'll add my prayers to your's that she will be found.

 

[shadowraiths]

Polygraphs are and have been inadmissible in a court of law since Frye (1923). There are newer LDTs but those are still hotly debated and have yet to meet admissibility standards. For a brief overview, pls feel free to check out this article at my forensic psych portal ( link ).

That said, polygraphs continue to be popular within LE. But not for the reason some think. Think of them as yet another investigative tool. For example, in the case of high-profile cases, LE will leak info to the press, such as, "so-and-so refused to take the test," or "so-and-so's results were inconclusive." Think of it as a device to increase pressure. That is, the goal here is to keep the pressure on those that LE may suspect while not coming out and naming them a POI or suspect. Ala, the greater pressure, the increased likelihood the person, if guilty, will screw up.

 

[shadowraiths]

If the good doctor is our guy (and I'm admittedly unconvinced he is), then we should go as far back as at least 1976 to see if there are other possible victims. This would invovle checking in and around areas coinciding with where he went to school, where he interned, where he spent any extended time, etc. As SK's, for the most part, start killing in their early-to-mid 20s. Anyway, just sayin...

 

[truthspider]

If the good doctor is our guy (and I'm admittedly unconvinced he is), then we should go as far back as at least 1976 to see if there are other possible victims. This would invovle checking in and around areas coinciding with where he went to school, where he interned, where he spent any extended time, etc. As SK's, for the most part, start killing in their early-to-mid 20s. Anyway, just sayin...

I think that we are dealing with a person who blossomed into a SK later than the statistical average because the trauma (accident) that started him down this path wasn't during childhood. I know we haven't been able to glean much about the accident, but I was under the impression it happened in his adult life.

There were also extreme precipitating factors that occurred between 1997 - 2001 that I believe were the tipping point for him: loss of father, loss of job, drug rehab, and a trial that nearly bankrupted him and took away his right to practice.

No one becomes a prolific SK overnight, there is always a history of trouble making whether it be killing pets or hurting people. The "Doc" has a documented history of gross negligence against minors while an EMT.

a little bit about the good samaritan law:

"the person rendering the aid will not be held liable for either injuries or death allegedly caused by any act of that &#8220;Good Samaritan&#8221; while rendering aid, UNLESS it is determined that the &#8220;Good Samaritan&#8221; was &#8220;grossly negligent&#8221; in performing his acts."

In short, EMT's and rescue personal (which the doc was at the time of these cases) are legally protected by this law, in case the patient dies or their condition is worsened by the "help", the "helper" can't be legally liable for that death. (Perfect job for a SK type huh?) UNLESS it is overwhelmingly obvious that the helper hurt the person in need. Well according to Nassau County Supreme Court, it was overwhelmingly obvious on more than one occassion that our "Doc" was being grossly negligent. Find my old posts for the court docs, I provided them on this forum in early April.

Hmmm... hiding behind the good samaritan law ..... "I was trying to help" ... hmmm sounding familiar? "I saw her looking sick and distressed and tried to help her" - CPH on SG.
"I only called the family to offer help". With a track record like his, thanks but no thanks, I am sufficiently scared of his "help".

He's been hurting people and hiding behind "trying to help them" since the late eighties, then graduated to murder around 2000 .... for those unconvinced the doc is our guy, it might help if you first take your head out of the sand.

 

[truthspider]

yes yes yes and above all YES.

thanx truthie...I completley agree and the idea that the killer would display his victims away from home, it does make sense to me now.

Remember the four bodies in Manorville (2003) were found within a week because they were left out in the open.

The four Atlantic City (2006) bodies also left out, but in a drainage ditch because he has progressed and learned water helps remove forensic evidence.

The four burlap Gilgo bodies were hidden because they were very close to home. I, as well as some others, believe the four Gilgo victims were originally hidden in old mosquito canals (underwater) and later hastily transplanted (but still hidden) off the side of Ocean Parkway, explaining the advanced stage of decomposition.

As for the body in the suitcase off of Southern State Pkway (Bellmore) and the discarded head/parts in Hempstead Lake, and the parts tossed in the water in westchester and ending up in the Sound... they were pretty much left in the open again.

 

[truthspider]

Anyone interested in the courts docs can PM me with their email and I will send them on. They make for a very interesting read, especially since he claims in court that he is an MD when in reality he has only ever been a DO.

Isn't that a felony? At the very least it's evidence of fraudulent behavior back as far as 1989.

My guess is this is what led to his departure as SCPD police surgeon. Lying on the resume.
If he lied about being an MD, than $h1t I'm going to start questioning whether the DO title is fraudulent too.

Anybody good at looking up records want to verify if this liar actually graduated from ANY TYPE of medical school?

 

[truthspider]

For months the media has been calling these girls hookers and worse, meanwhile referring to "Doctor" Hackett. Did they verify this man was a doctor? Did they verify any of these girls were hookers?

I can't wait until the media starts referring to these girls as heroes and Hackett as nothing but a fraud.

In his non-reality fantasy world he is an MD, a cop, and master of the universe, in reality he is a controlling, pathological liar, and a delusional serial killer.