NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[Reannan]

Big sigh..... this case is so complex, yet seems like it should be a case that could be solved in weeks, not months. Regarding our most recent discussion involving the good Dr. CPH, who is a DO, rather than an MD - there was a court decision involving the eluse MD who lived within eyesight of Gus Colletti's stairs where SG ran down and subsequently disappeared. This case involved another DO, which I find sort of interesting. From my VERY removed local, it seems to me that Long Island - and especially, the Ocean Beach/Gilgo Beach community is a rather tight knit community where perhaps a local MD would know other MD's/DO's. At the very least, DO's would tend to stick together because they are united in their stature among the MD's. Note: One of the BEST physicians I have EVER known was a DO, and a Pathologist. DO's hold the highest level of respect from what I have observed. FWIW, I work in healthcare - namely Pathology. If you want to read the document I am referencing, google the following terms: "Supreme Court State of New York Index No.: 10209/05". I hope this does not violate any terms. It is all public information and is obviously related to this case because at least one of the individuals lived close by the site SG was last seen.

 

[goathairjones]

Big sigh..... this case is so complex, yet seems like it should be a case that could be solved in weeks, not months. Regarding our most recent discussion involving the good Dr. CPH, who is a DO, rather than an MD - there was a court decision involving the eluse MD who lived within eyesight of Gus Colletti's stairs where SG ran down and subsequently disappeared. This case involved another DO, which I find sort of interesting. From my VERY removed local, it seems to me that Long Island - and especially, the Ocean Beach/Gilgo Beach community is a rather tight knit community where perhaps a local MD would know other MD's/DO's. At the very least, DO's would tend to stick together because they are united in their stature among the MD's. Note: One of the BEST physicians I have EVER known was a DO, and a Pathologist. DO's hold the highest level of respect from what I have observed. FWIW, I work in healthcare - namely Pathology. If you want to read the document I am referencing, google the following terms: "Supreme Court State of New York Index No.: 10209/05". I hope this does not violate any terms. It is all public information and is obviously related to this case because at least one of the individuals lived close by the site SG was last seen.

Reannan,

This Oak Beach gated community has a lot of people from the healthcare field. The emergency room physician that sold his house; the lady with the initials EC is a nurse. Her son mentioned the footsteps in the sand; And of course CPH. Seems to be a tight-knit community joined by the common bond of healthcare professionals. I wonder if they are so close that they would hide horrible secrets???

 

[scandi]

:welcome4:

insprectrogadget, Welcome to WS! It is always great having new posters' opinions!

You have certainly given us alot to chew on, so to speak.

Your suspect has been discussed briefly on this forum as his 'alleged' move to Europe has been rumored and seems suspicious. However, you are the first sleuth to offer insight into this <unusual person>.

Please remember that WS TOS prohibits us from sleuthing persons who haven't been named in MSM so continue to refer to this person as 'your suspect'. You seem to know alot about this person and I am interested in hearing more details. Do you know of any other cities where he has 'allegedly' worked?
.......Daytona Beach, FL....Wilmington, NC.......Atlantic City, NJ......Myrtle Beach, SC.....?

Thanks for posting!

wm

WELCOME Insprectrogadget and it is great to have you here. I'm sliding in on WM's post as she always says things so well. And I wanted you to know that MSM means Main Stream Media. Thanks for taking the time to write out your theory. We have the darndest group of posters here at WS working on this case - all simply amazing thinkers.

Now I'm going back to read your post ;}

 

[scandi]

Well, So much of what you say makes sense. I wonder if there is anything that would rule out this DrU? If Shannan rounded that corner on Anchor Way I don't think she went up to his door. For one thing, his house does not have a greeting atmosphere about it. Many levels, up stairs to the door and in full view of anyone who might be looking for her. The other thing is Mrs Canning and her son were the last to report seeing Shannan and talking to her {except for CPH and then he retracted his statement}. That is down past DrU's a bit on the other side of the street. I think she ran past his house and saw her house on the right with lights on and went up to her door.


Now if he heard the commotion and saw her running, he might have seen where she headed after being at the Canning's. He'd be up high looking down to the street IMO. At that point he could simply drive down the street, pull her in the car as heard by her Mom. I don't know. There is so much Circ Evid against CPH that I think he leads the list of possible suspects for me right now. But you sure got me thinkin'.

PS: I'll go check the spelling of the Canning name but do know it was published in the MSM. That is correct.

 

[truthspider]

While sleuthing him in April I determined that this highly successful MD did not live in the NY area in 2003 when the Manorville victims were killed. In my opinion, that alone disqualifies him as a suspect. I'm not going to re-sleuth him enough to find the documents that show this, but it is what I determined in April.

 

[inspctrgadget]

Sorry, not sure how to make the quote box appear truthspider, but you said

"While sleuthing him in April I determined ........ [he] did not live in the NY area in 2003 when the Manorville victims were killed. In my opinion, that alone disqualifies him as a suspect....... "

There are some lawsuit court docs showing a malpractice event dated July 2003 while working as the overnight attending ER doc at a LI hospital. Also, he did his residency on eastern LI in 1997, pretty close to Manorville, say 15-20 minutes? However, I'm not convinced that Manorville and OB are related given the difference in body handling. I think its a stretch to try and tie these 2 together and nothing about the evidence suggests that they are related. That they are relatively close together is not good enough - this stretch of parkway is well known and regularly, but lightly, traveled.

 

[truthspider]

Sorry, not sure how to make the quote box appear truthspider, but you said

"While sleuthing him in April I determined ........ [he] did not live in the NY area in 2003 when the Manorville victims were killed. In my opinion, that alone disqualifies him as a suspect....... "

There are some lawsuit court docs showing a malpractice event dated July 2003 while working as the overnight attending ER doc at a LI hospital. Also, he did his residency on eastern LI in 1997, pretty close to Manorville, say 15-20 minutes? However, I'm not convinced that Manorville and OB are related given the difference in body handling. I think its a stretch to try and tie these 2 together and nothing about the evidence suggests that they are related. That they are relatively close together is not good enough - this stretch of parkway is well known and regularly, but lightly, traveled.

Yes, I stand corrected, I don't remember what i saw in April that led me to believe he didn't live in NY in 2003. That doc puts him as working in Nassau county in 2003 though, not near Manorville.

Was he living in NY during all of the gilgo disappearances? If so when did he have time to live in all of those other locales?:waitasec:

I think "different handling of the body" could be attributed to MO and not signature. If the SK wants to keep the head and feet around, as he did with JT in 2003, then maybe he dismembered to take those trophies, but evolved his MO by 2007, and with the G4 he was keeping the whole package at home or very close by so no need to dismember. Also, he wouldn't be concerned with hiding a body in an area where he doesn't live, (manorville), but needs to wrap in burlap to hide them in the oak beach area.

I will wait for a response on my other points in the first post. (and no you don't actually need to respond to the question, asking if you have a bionic appendage like inspector gadget does. I simply accuse anyone who looks past CPH and facts relating to him, and tries to pin it on someone much less involved, of being CPH. I make the comment simply to entertain myself .... but you aren't him right?)



* the quote button makes the quoted text appear, bottom right

thanks inspector!

 

[inspctrgadget]

inspctrgadget,

Your theory is highly flawed because CPH has admitted to making the call. Therefore, nobody was setting him up.

Also, The emergency room doctor was rumored to be in Europe but I think he actually relocated to Salt Lake City, UT. He should definitely be investgated, however, CPH is looking much more suspicious at this point.

Well, its not really a "set-up" as opposed to a smoke screen/snow job:

Look carefully at the dates:

1) SG Disappearance: May 1st at 6 a.m.

2) "Halfway-House" phone call to Shannon's mother: "Day after her disappearance (i.e., May 2nd or 3rd).

3) Diaz/Pak inadvertently run into CPH: Estimated May 2-5?

3) CPH's admitted call to SG's mom upon request of Diaz/Pak: May 6th.

4) Second call to SG's family: May 9th.

 

[truthspider]

Well, its not really a "set-up" as opposed to a smoke screen/snow job:

Look carefully at the dates:

1) SG Disappearance: May 1st at 6 a.m.

2) "Halfway-House" phone call to Shannon's mother: "Day after her disappearance (i.e., May 2nd or 3rd).

3) Diaz/Pak inadvertently run into CPH: Estimated May 2-5?

May 5th according to CPH letters

3) CPH's admitted call to SG's mom upon request of Diaz/Pak: May 6th.

4) Second call to SG's family: May 9th.

3) Diaz/Pak inadvertently run into CPH: Estimated May 2-5?

May 5th according to CPH letters

I feel that the statement "Day after her disappearance" was inaccurately reported, and if the mother indeed did say that, I would be flexible with her memory of which day she got the call... neither the family or cph said "that was a different phone call" either way, if you have about 70 residents of oak beach, for your SK to choose CPH as a smoke screen with that call, then CPH actually calling them, regardless of a day passing, is unlikely

 

[waltzingmatilda]

igadget, Can you give us a general description of this mysterious Dr. I am just curious like that

TIA (thanks in advance)

wm

 

[da fino]

lad Reannan pointed out the doctors cph and dr. u likely knew each other. they almost certainly did in a small, private, tight knit community like oak beach, with an association and adult socials etc.

on top of that, there are multiple media reports stating that SG was called to a "party" the night/morning she disappeared. i would not call one person a party. i would not call two people gathered a party either. so at this point, i would not rule out dr. u, as he could have been at a "party" with JB, CPH, etc.

someone mentioned that either SG or ALC were offered a $1500 rate for the call. can anyone recall or backtrack to find out if they BOTH were offered the same rate for the call? seems like DS and AD or MP might be able to corroborate this. that would start me well down the path to connecting the two instances with a common m.o.

 

[da fino]

post above should have started "i'm glad Reannan..."

 

[truthspider]

lad Reannan pointed out the doctors cph and dr. u likely knew each other. they almost certainly did in a small, private, tight knit community like oak beach, with an association and adult socials etc.

on top of that, there are multiple media reports stating that SG was called to a "party" the night/morning she disappeared. i would not call one person a party. i would not call two people gathered a party either. so at this point, i would not rule out dr. u, as he could have been at a "party" with JB, CPH, etc.

someone mentioned that either SG or ALC were offered a $1500 rate for the call. can anyone recall or backtrack to find out if they BOTH were offered the same rate for the call? seems like DS and AD or MP might be able to corroborate this. that would start me well down the path to connecting the two instances with a common m.o.

I pondered this too as I am pretty sure they were mostly quoted with the 1500 overnight rate.
But we have to keep in mind, there is a somewhat standard pricing structure, even in most black markets. .. 200 hr, 1500 overnight, seem to be pretty standard for average independant escorts...

key question is .. can JB show that he called SG from his home phone or his cellphone and not a "burn phone"? I'm thinking yes.... because you don't use an anonymous burn phone to tell someone your home address and "come on over"

hence we are back to JB is not the SK because the SK procured the victims extremely diligently

think about this, if the amount offered for them all was more unique, lets use $777 an example,
and if all the G4 victims AND SG were offered $777 for overnight, but the anonymity and diligence is missing from the SG call, what would that tell us?

It would tell me that we have the same SK who is using a proxy(JB) to hide behind.

(I am simply drawing the same scenario that we have but with a much more uniquily identifiable source procurer/MO)

 

[da fino]

I pondered this too as I am pretty sure they were mostly quoted with the 1500 overnight rate.
But we have to keep in mind, there is a somewhat standard pricing structure, even in most black markets. .. 200 hr, 1500 overnight, seem to be pretty standard for average independant escorts...

key question is .. can JB show that he called SG from his home phone or his cellphone and not a "burn phone"? I'm thinking yes.... because you don't use an anonymous burn phone to tell someone your home address and "come on over"

hence we are back to JB is not the SK because the SK procured the victims extremely diligently

think about this, if the amount offered for them all was more unique, lets use $777 an example,
and if all the G4 victims AND SG were offered $777 for overnight, but the anonymity and diligence is missing
from the SG call, what would that tell us?

It would tell me that we have the same SK who is using a proxy(JB) to hide behind.

(I am simply drawing the same scenario that we have but with a much more uniquily identifiable source procurer/MO)

that was my first question when it was revealed that JB arranged SG's visit: did he use an untraceable cell for the call? JB is still on my list for many reasons, this not having been definitively answered is just one of them.

fairly high up on that list is his own account (or was it MP's?) of having grabbed SG to physically remove her from his residence.

that is a fair point about the "standard" pricing. i'll add to it the question of how frequently do working girls get solicited for an overnight call?

 

[waltzingmatilda]

truth, I recall reading somewhere that JB contacted MP to arrange the date with Shannan. The details were in 'minutes' of a meeting there in OB. I think it was a pdf file. I'll try and find it for ya!

Has anyone been to the skeery LISK site lately and read the 'Sunday with Gus' article by JJ? Gus shared some info I had not heard before. He says JB is not one of his favorite people.....He says CPH was not in charge of the cameras, another neighbor, CS was and the cameras were 'wiped clean' but the hard drive was there and he (GC) turned it over to police......He also says if he had a choice that CPH would live next door to him in response to a question if CPH is a nice man.....he also said Shannan's leather jacket was over her shoulder when she came to his door.

Interesting....

wm

 

[da fino]

key question is .. can JB show that he called SG from his home phone or his cellphone and not a "burn phone"? I'm thinking yes.... because you don't use an anonymous burn phone to tell someone your home address and "come on over"

i don't think he chose the type of phone to call a prostitute because he wanted to tell her his home address.

i think you choose to use a burn phone because you don't want the record of the call traced to you. you wouldn't want a call that can be linked to a crime like solicitation tracked to you, or a worse crime like murder for that matter.

if you use an "untraceable" phone, it doesn't matter what you say during the course of the call, like my address is, i'll pay you this much for sex, etc.

 

[truthspider]

lad Reannan pointed out the doctors cph and dr. u likely knew each other. they almost certainly did in a small, private, tight knit community like oak beach, with an association and adult socials etc.

on top of that, there are multiple media reports stating that SG was called to a "party" the night/morning she disappeared. i would not call one person a party. i would not call two people gathered a party either. so at this point, i would not rule out dr. u, as he could have been at a "party" with JB, CPH, etc.

someone mentioned that either SG or ALC were offered a $1500 rate for the call. can anyone recall or backtrack to find out if they BOTH were offered the same rate for the call? seems like DS and AD or MP might be able to corroborate this. that would start me well down the path to connecting the two instances with a common m.o.

I agree that the 2 docs would know each other, and our inspector seems to know the ins and outs of this MD, almost like he knows him

gadget has yet to answer my question ...

go go gadget leg, phone, police light, binoculars, police radio, periscope ... oh wait, the periscope is me

 

[truthspider]

i don't think he chose the type of phone to call a prostitute because he wanted to tell her his home address.

i think you choose to use a burn phone because you don't want the record of the call traced to you. you wouldn't want a call that can be linked to a crime like solicitation tracked to you, or a worse crime like murder for that matter.

if you use an "untraceable" phone, it doesn't matter what you say during the course of the call, like my address is, i'll pay you this much for sex, etc.

well at least we know you have never called an escort before, good luck trying to say anything incriminating on the phone with an escort, they will hang up on you before you get out another word. the industry exists because no one ever states we are trading money for sex. ever. period. that is the protocol.

 

[truthspider]

truth, I recall reading somewhere that JB contacted MP to arrange the date with Shannan. The details were in 'minutes' of a meeting there in OB. I think it was a pdf file. I'll try and find it for ya!

Has anyone been to the skeery LISK site lately and read the 'Sunday with Gus' article by JJ? Gus shared some info I had not heard before. He says JB is not one of his favorite people.....He says CPH was not in charge of the cameras, another neighbor, CS was and the cameras were 'wiped clean' but the hard drive was there and he (GC) turned it over to police......He also says if he had a choice that CPH would live next door to him in response to a question if CPH is a nice man.....he also said Shannan's leather jacket was over her shoulder when she came to his door.

Interesting....

wm

Gus also went from stating on camera that he thinks she's dead and was killed, and he wished he had done more, to "I think she fell in the water and hit her head" LOL, way to hop on the CPH bus gus.

Gus is either gullible, delusional, scared of his neighbor(s), or was paid to pull a 180.

 

[Redbird]

Have any of our other excellent sleuths done a skip trace on Michael Pak? I discovered his real name per federal bureau of prisons is MICHAEL MIN CHUL PAK and when I looked up Massapequa, NY I discovered there is a person with that last name whose address is given as the Massapequa Recovery Center, Inc. I cannot tell if this was given as an address for this person or a place of employment or business ownership, but I was surprised to see treatment center, recovery center, come up again in this case. I don't know what to do with this information, if anything. Cannot connect the dots. It is interesting that Amber Constello was supposed to enter rehab the week of her death. There is a Michael Pak now listed in Georgia and there is another person with that last name in a Georgia prison. Looking through court records, it looks like Michael Min Chul Pak has been in the Long Island area since 1993 or earlier. I suspect Mr. Pak has much experience as a "driver," and I personally would not take any information he has given to be fact.