NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[Theforeigner]

I still have a feeling GB4 is not related to Shannan being missing. It just makes no sense to me that the SK or SK'ers would do something so stupid. Yes, things might have gotten out of hand - but still..I think her case is unrelated to the GB4. IMO I'm sticking with idea that GB4 is a single person (1) living in the area of Wantagh -> West Islip and either used to or currently works in NYC. I'm leaning towards he (don't think it's a she) is unemployed and has been for some time. Used to have a good paying job and partied quite often.. (maybe had a house @ gilgo or oak beach at some point, lost it or sold it...and now lives with family or in an apt. elsewhere) This person's family might have some money/properties. He probably had hired these girls several times before and maybe started to go all "pretty women" on them to gain their trust. This would give the girls a different view of him....He might not be considered a 'client' at this point. I think we are focusing on Shannan too much. Lets look at this as a whole and I believe it will open new doors in the hope to find Shannan.

I agree 100% thanks for putting that together

 

[bodhi93]

The details in the damming phone call are almost as good as a fingerprint in my opinion.

His wife's behavior is responsible for him claiming he runs a rehab center?

Or did the "real SK" know CPH well enough to make up a lie that was sooo suitable to him?

I think for someone to know enough about CPH and his past experience (rehab), they would have to know him very very well, and if that were the case, wouldn't CPH be able to deduce who made that phone call?

And certainly a good helpful citizen such as CPH would inform LE of who he thought could have made that damming call? instead of brushing it off smiling saying "no one would frame me". Why the smile when he answered that question? (Because he is getting off on being untouchable and you can see it in his demeanor)

"only blank could have and would have said that while trying to put the blame on me"-CPH inner monologue, IF he didn't make the call.

Your other option is to believe that Mrs. Gilbert made up the statement, with no motive to do so. I suppose you just think she is "crazy" too. CPH would like you to think she is. I give Mrs gilbert a lot of credit, but I don't give her enough credit to have been able to find out enough about CPH's past to construct a lie that so perfectly suits him. Unless you believe she is "super lucky" lol

For someone other than CPH to make up that lie, they would need to know his name, that he lives in the oak beach association, that he does or doesn't (but claims) to practice out of his home in the association, that SG had a drug problem, that SG came with a driver, and that CPH has had his own experience with rehab (making the lie believable, because remember they are trying to make people believe that CPH is saying this). Keeping in mind that this magical mysterious SK didn't expect May 1st to go down the way it did, so wouldn't have had much time to plan this phone call. If you gave a really smart bad guy a week, he could probably have found and created a patsy this well, but given the emergency and stress of the situation... and only a day or 2? Who but CPH could have constructed this lie?

My opinion is that if such a person existed and was a SK, they would have to live in the association and CPH would know who it was in about 2 seconds flat.

Which one do you really believe?

Think about the motive behind the statement, "I run a rehab center, she spent the night, and left with her driver" (more or less) does that sound like someone trying to place blame and make CPH look like an abductor or killer? Or does the intent of the lie seem to be from someone looking to explain why they may have been seen with her or why she would have mentioned his name in a phone call to 911 or family? The lie doesn't match up with the intent of someone else trying to blame CPH for murder.

:truce:

Wow... you took more meaning out of my comments than was actually intended... it was just supposed to mean that he made the calls... lied about it to cover his a$$ (probably with some gentle prodding from his loving wife) and then realized that it was making him look worse so he came clean... but whatever... again that's Just My Own Opinion...

 

[truthspider]

:truce:

Wow... you took more meaning out of my comments than was actually intended... it was just supposed to mean that he made the calls... lied about it to cover his a$$ (probably with some gentle prodding from his loving wife) and then realized that it was making him look worse so he came clean... but whatever... again that's Just My Own Opinion...

why would anyone lie about trying to help people?

 

[bodhi93]

why would anyone lie about trying to help people?

It's amazing what people will do when they are made to think they did something wrong... especially those who are easily influenced (eg. low or no self-esteem)... not saying that this is what happened with CPH.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't know of any doctor, or member of LE, or former Director of Anything who can be made to think they did something wrong when they didn't, and generally, those who aspire to the positions that CPH has held, do not suffer from low self-esteem to the extent that they would lie about making a phone call.

My personal knowledge of a case involving 2 Emergency Room doctors, 2 GPs and a hospital is they KNOW when they have done something wrong and will either tell the truth, OR lie through their teeth to cover their butts.

The chances of CPH being framed by the SK phone call, and then coincidentally being the doctor to make calls to SG's family, having lied as to whether he did or did not see her, etc ... at this point, and without further explanation, this is way too much coinkydink for me.

IMO, CPH lied and only came clean about the phone call when he had no alternative

MOO

 

[goathairjones]

News12 Airing a Special Report tomorrow night (Thursday 8/4/11) @ 7PM regarding the Serial Killer !!!

 

[goathairjones]

I don't know of any doctor, or member of LE, or former Director of Anything who can be made to think they did something wrong when they didn't, and generally, those who aspire to the positions that CPH has held, do not suffer from low self-esteem to the extent that they would lie about making a phone call.

My personal knowledge of a case involving 2 Emergency Room doctors, 2 GPs and a hospital is they KNOW when they have done something wrong and will either tell the truth, OR lie through their teeth to cover their butts.

The chances of CPH being framed by the SK phone call, and then coincidentally being the doctor to make calls to SG's family, having lied as to whether he did or did not see her, etc ... at this point, and without further explanation, this is way too much coinkydink for me.

IMO, CPH lied and only came clean about the phone call when he had no alternative

MOO

Well said, Silly Billy!

 

[PickleChris]

http://www.facebook.com/News12LI#!/video/video.php?v=2101373066381&oid=41536098550&comments

 

[Sillybilly]

http://www.facebook.com/News12LI#!/video/video.php?v=2101373066381&oid=41536098550&comments

Hi PickleC,

I haven't gone there, but can you give please give a short summary of what the FB link/page is about (i.e. what it is you find interesting on that page or who it belongs to). Thanks !!

 

[waltzingmatilda]

sillybilly, There is a 'teaser' on the FB page about a story titled 'Search for a Serial Killer' set to air at 7pm. Lorraine Waterman Ela posted (paraphrased) "me being one of the victims mothers, you don't want me to comment on how the investigation is going."

wm

 

[svpernin]

If anyone can summarize the News 12 special it would be greatly appreciated by those of us who don't get that channel and can't access their website. TIA

 

[goathairjones]

If anyone can summarize the News 12 special it would be greatly appreciated by those of us who don't get that channel and can't access their website. TIA

It was a very lame "special report"!! No new info! Just News12 Long Island's lame attempt to win some type of NY Emmy Award.

They interviewed Dormer. Lauren Savant asked him practically NOTHING and he said NOTHING! She should have dug deeper and asked him why he said the call from CPH was "debunked". Let him explain that on TV!!!

But one of Shannon's families friends does believe that it was MP. Yet Shannon's mother and sister seem to think CPH was involved because of the phone call.

The report ran only 30 minutes and was interrupted by commercials twice. The first 10 minutes was a rehash of everything we already know: December 2010 4 bodies, March 1 body, April 3 more bodies and then 2 more in Nassau.

The 2nd 10 minute session talked about Gilgo beach and how it will never be the same. They interviewed a couple of people who basically said they wish everyone would just forget about what was found.

The 3rd 10 minute session talked about SG's disappearance. How she arrived at 2AM and 3 hours later came out of the house delerious. MP said she went in and out of the house a number of times. And then ran down the street screaming. News12 totally messed up this part. They show SG's phone records but didn't discuss any of it except the 23 minute call to 911 at about 5AM.

Why all the calls back and forth between MP and SG?? That would have been a good question to ask MP. It's almost as if News12 didn't actually speak with MP but took other news reports to summarize what he said. Very Lame!! Absolutely no investigative reporting here!!!

Dormer does talk about the 911 call. He says that SG was on the phone with NY State Police and she didn't know where she was. But he neglects to mention how it still took at least 30 minutes to arrive in Oak Beach even after Colletti called.

Very disappointing job by News 12!!

 

[svpernin]

It was a very lame "special report"!! No new info! Just News12 Long Island's lame attempt to win some type of NY Emmy Award.

They interviewed Dormer. Lauren Savant asked him practically NOTHING and he said NOTHING! She should have dug deeper and asked him why he said the call from CPH was "debunked". Let him explain that on TV!!!

But one of Shannon's families friends does believe that it was MP. Yet Shannon's mother and sister seem to think CPH was involved because of the phone call.

The report ran only 30 minutes and was interrupted by commercials twice. The first 10 minutes was a rehash of everything we already know: December 2010 4 bodies, March 1 body, April 3 more bodies and then 2 more in Nassau.

The 2nd 10 minute session talked about Gilgo beach and how it will never be the same. They interviewed a couple of people who basically said they wish everyone would just forget about what was found.

The 3rd 10 minute session talked about SG's disappearance. How she arrived at 2AM and 3 hours later came out of the house delerious. MP said she went in and out of the house a number of times. And then ran down the street screaming. News12 totally messed up this part. They show SG's phone records but didn't discuss any of it except the 23 minute call to 911 at about 5AM.

Why all the calls back and forth between MP and SG?? That would have been a good question to ask MP. It's almost as if News12 didn't actually speak with MP but took other news reports to summarize what he said. Very Lame!! Absolutely no investigative reporting here!!!

Dormer does talk about the 911 call. He says that SG was on the phone with NY State Police and she didn't know where she was. But he neglects to mention how it still took at least 30 minutes to arrive in Oak Beach even after Colletti called.

Very disappointing job by News 12!!

Thanks so much for this. I didn't really expect much from the report but ya never know. I'd love to see some of the key players subjected to interviews with us sleuths, they wouldn't stand a chance!!

 

[JeannieC]

First, I didn't know 'unexplained time away from home' was a positive thing to say about a spouse lol.

Second, let's not use the notion that 99% of the time a doctor is helping, to mean that the other 1% of the time they couldn't be dismembering/murdering. Anyone that is an actual doctor will have a long list of people they helped... certainly all the other murderous/serial killer doctors out there actually did help most people. I'm concerned with the few they didn't help.

Quick list of some murdering doctors, some serial some not.
(in fact it has become a field of study to analyze the correlation between murdering people and wanting to be/being a doctor.)

________________ (saving this top spot in the list for CPH's conviction)
Dr Thomas Neill Cream, the London “Prostitute Poisoner”
Dr. Harold Shipman
Dr. Michael Swango
Dr Bennett Clarke Hyde
Dr Morris Bolber
Dr Ronald E Clark
Dr John Bodkin Adams (forger of prescriptions)
Dr Sam Sheppard
Dr Warder
Dr George Chapman
Dr Robert George Clements
Dr Carl Coppolino
Dr Buck Ruxton
Dr Debra Green
Dr. Reza (from my home town .. well 1 mile away)
Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald (from my home town)

"There are enough recorded instances of multiple murders by doctors (real or bogus) to make at least a prima facie case that the profession attracts some people with a pathological interest in the power of life and death...." - Dr. Herbert Kinnel

I don't know all the doctors on your list however, one on this list should not be there. He was NOT a serial killer and it has been proven that he did NOT murder his wife. Blood evidence proved the gardner did it. So please remove Dr Sam Sheppard. (I'm saying all this light-heartedly so please don't be offendeded however, Dr Sam didn't kill his wife.)

 

[JeannieC]

I've been reading everything all of you say and trying to catch up so I don't usually say anything, just read. I appreciate all the the information and analogies. Really thoughful. I have a question. It has been a while back that someone mentioned one of the "key" poi in this who traveled to Tx. I wondered if that was regularly or just a one time thing. Was one from Tx?

 

[goathairjones]

I've been reading everything all of you say and trying to catch up so I don't usually say anything, just read. I appreciate all the the information and analogies. Really thoughful. I have a question. It has been a while back that someone mentioned one of the "key" poi in this who traveled to Tx. I wondered if that was regularly or just a one time thing. Was one from Tx?

JeannieC,

Yes, wasn't it JB that went to Houston at one point? I can't remember where I read that. But I do remember something about it. Let me dig a little.

 

[JeannieC]

JeannieC,

Yes, wasn't it JB that went to Houston at one point? I can't remember where I read that. But I do remember something about it. Let me dig a little.

I don't know if it was JB or not. Wish I could remember. Thanks for checking.

 

[internetgirl101]

http://www.news12.com/archive/articleDetail.jsp?articleId=288627&position=1&news_type=news
The news 12 video ^

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Youtube channel I believe is MP's ^

 

[truthspider]

I don't know all the doctors on your list however, one on this list should not be there. He was NOT a serial killer and it has been proven that he did NOT murder his wife. Blood evidence proved the gardner did it. So please remove Dr Sam Sheppard. (I'm saying all this light-heartedly so please don't be offendeded however, Dr Sam didn't kill his wife.)

Thanks, I basically quickly copied and pasted these names from some web source listing these Docs. I haven't researched them at all, just wanted to display that being a doc doesn't mean you can't be a murderer. And that there are people who make arguments to the contrary.

Thanks for your fact checking, it makes this forum all the better.

 

[truthspider]

For anyone who watched the news12 special, (and I'm looking for verification on this) I think the news12 interview with Hackett in the car revealed another lie. It is the same interview that has been around for a long time but they played more of the interview; specifically they aired a statement that came before the "I never saw her" statement. He says, "I returned some calls".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his original statement "I never called them".
The news12 anchor in the special later goes on to say that Hackett said "he never called them". If that is the case, and I think it is, then his statements evolved like this...

1. "I never called them"
2. "I returned some calls"
3. "I called them, but i was requested to and I didn't say that I treated her"

If he did in fact say statement 1, then that turned out to be a lie.

From his letter to 48 hours, we know that statement 2 is a lie (they didn't call him first, hence he did not "return some calls".

Past behavior is not a perfect predictor of the future, but I'm inclined to believe that we will find out that statement 3 contains a lie as well. ... The truth is coming out in the wash

Once we verify statement 1, we will have 3 statements, enough to detect a pattern. To me the pattern reveals that initially he didn't want us to know he called them at all, then he had to acknowledge that he called them but doesn't want us to know that he initiated the calls. Finally, he arrives at having to say he initiated the phone calls "but only after Pak and Diaz requested", as per 48hrs letter.

Why is it so important to him that he didn't call? Why is it so important that we think he didn't initiate the calls? Why does he now want us to believe that he only initiated because someone asked?

If "he called to help", it wouldn't have ever mattered if he called, or if he initiated the calls out of the blue, or if he initiated the calls after being asked to call...

a web of lies always gets sticky .... he's looking tangled up to me.