NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #11

[NJGuy]

Wow, this is some freaky stuff, I'm not 100% sold on all of this yet, but I think all the great work done on here by people much smarter than me is paying off. Now, a few points to consider - the people mentioned on the Negiosh website, do they have any connection to OB? Also, if anyone happens to come across any information or links to a place called honesdale, pa...please let me know, I have a strong interest in this area based upon a theory I have.

Thanks and amazing work by everyone here

 

[NJGuy]

He is also has ties to Deerfield Beach, Fla. Not far from Palm Beach, Fl

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Negoish in Fire Island??

http://www.topix.com/album/detail/fire-island-ny/NEP3SUV6I3DDGH0R

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OK, so Melissa Barthelemy went missing July 10, 2009. The above post was dated Aug 7, 2009. Based on some comments that I read here (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=3097&page=398), it got me thinking that maybe she (Melissa) was "hired" in July and trained as a BDSM slave for a '3 HOUR DEMO" in Fire Island, sometime in August, but maybe she wasn't approved by the group and was ultimately disposed of.

Here's some background on the first "Internet" serial killer:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/John_Edward_Robinson

By the way, this Negoish software (CyberTilly) is some kind of Internet-based communication tool. I'd love to know more about it.

Also, that "PROTECTION FOR ALL" comment. Sounds like "bring a condom".

Research this guy a little more. He plays online war games. Try navyseals.com. He's certainly not trying to hide. He's all over the 'net.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Okay. Seems this wild goose chase has gone into outerspace. I'm done here.

 

[svpernin]

I just had a thought... I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of this negoish business but I get the impression that they are anti-SY based on that blog post. I have always thought that someone may have a vendetta against an OB resident (at one time I thought it was CPH and that someone was trying to set him up with the initial call to Mari regarding the "rehab"). Now I'm thinking maybe SY is the target. Now I know CPH admitted to the two later calls, but is it possible that the initial call was NOT him but someone who wanted Mari to think Shannan was connected to an Oak Beach resident who runs a rehab (SY) and that the Gilbert's heard that and assumed it must be a doctor and focused on CPH?



These are all just working theories, I have no basis for any of them, any thoughts?

 

[Clem Snide]

Negoish Google profile. More coded messages, some seem like they could be very menacing.

https://profiles.google.com/negoishdirect/buzz

A lot of these words, especially those in brackets are nicknames of associates of Negoish, per the Negoish.com website.

 

[Clem Snide]

I just had a thought... I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of this negoish business but I get the impression that they are anti-SY based on that blog post. I have always thought that someone may have a vendetta against an OB resident (at one time I thought it was CPH and that someone was trying to set him up with the initial call to Mari regarding the "rehab"). Now I'm thinking maybe SY is the target. Now I know CPH admitted to the two later calls, but is it possible that the initial call was NOT him but someone who wanted Mari to think Shannan was connected to an Oak Beach resident who runs a rehab (SY) and that the Gilbert's heard that and assumed it must be a doctor and focused on CPH?



These are all just working theories, I have no basis for any of them, any thoughts?

I think it's been established that all the calls from CPH were, in fact, traced back to his home number or cell (not sure which). This is per Mari on the LISK website. Of course, can we confirm that that's actually Mari and not somebody pretending to be her?

 

[svpernin]

I think it's been established that all the calls from CPH were, in fact, traced back to his home number or cell (not sure which). This is per Mari on the LISK website. Of course, can we confirm that that's actually Mari and not somebody pretending to be her?

Well I know CPH made two phone calls that he admitted to in the 48 hours letters but those could have been in response to Pak and AD knocking on his door when they came to look for Shannan (as he claimed). Maybe Pak and AD went to CPH because they thought he was the one who made the call and said he ran the rehab. Maybe there was no name used during the first phone call, just a description (i.e. "I live in Oak Beach and I run a rehab and Shannan was here with me until this morning"). I don't know if I'm making sense, it's been a long week

BTW: I know Mari allegedly said on LISK that she has proof of the first phone call coming from Hackett's phone, I don't know what to think of that... if those records exist, then why would CPH admit to the second two phone calls but continue to deny the first?

This case is going to drive me insane until it is solved.

 

[truthspider]

I haven't had time to analyze this so called application or "turn key solution" but it looks and smells like hot garbage to me and i have over a decade of experience in the software business.

When I look at his site and read anything from him whether its a personal post, an attempt at his own biography, a joke, or some war game crap, I can't help but think we are dealing with a man who is mentally defecient. His writing ability is pretty lacking (his biz bio), and I think everything else is garbage. Could there be meaning in it? Of course. Could there be encrypted messages to other freaks? yes. But if you were trying to communicate with encrypted messages why would you ever put them on myspace... Could most of it be garbage spewing from the mouth of a semi-insane person? That is the impression I have right now, but I will continue to look into it.

> ok after 5 more minutes and a glass of champers, I think they are claiming this application allows people/tiny businesses to trade sales leads with each other (maybe illegal?) via a VPN. I don't know if that business model would work, I am very skeptical. But I could see such an application being used by pedophiles to trade files in an encrypted fashion.


All I can say for certain is that the posts on myspace about SY and some of the other ones seem relevant to this case such as:

SURF&#8217;S-UP
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listen to this, and tell me this guy is not a lunatic!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/audio/7324/its_time_to_change_not_just_for_yourself.html?cat=9

or statements like this on his myspace:
"To grow our Virtual Sales Community, we have developed a scientific mathematical equation with the help of mathematicians, engineers, lawyers, computer scientists and martial artists for large scale technological, professional, and spiritual integration."

really... martial artists helped you build a mathematical equation, not just an equation, a mathematical one lol, wait not just a mathematical equation, a scientific mathematical equation. ok thats super redundant.

I don't know what to make of all this anymore, I jumped the gun on the war game stuff. But that post about SY is most interesting. Maybe this weirdo has a grudge against the guy, SY, who became the hotshot CEO and he is still stuck in an apartment above a garage in emmaus PA.

 

[goathairjones]

Can you post where you found the original number? I can't find a match anywhere.

Inspector,

Here it is on his Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/#!/Negoish

 

[MrsPC]

just another mindless tidbit - this lady is named as the "spiritual advisor" for ACI Rehab

http://www.reverendkimlesley.com/wst_page2.html

 

[bodhi93]

Hope this works. View attachment 19536
Thanks truth.........

Someone mentioned that the names in brackets are associates, but there is also some stuff between the associates... in the first and second posts the letters "N", "O", "M", "A", "D" and the "#1". On one of the more current posts from (ex. Yesterday (oct 27) @ 10:04) the letters "T", "E", "A", "C", "H" "ALL-US"... Not sure it this means anything, it's just strange for what appears to be random letters thrown in to actually spell something.

Just an observation.

 

[Salem]

Good Evening everyone! Just looking over the thread and it seems our newbies need to visit the rules. They can be found right here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=159"]The Rules - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Please take a look at them because everyone is responsible for posting accordingly.

And a couple of quick reminders:

1. Do NOT post links to sex sites.
2. Do NOT name innocent people, link to their facebooks or blogs.
3. Do NOT cut and post comments from anywhere - you may paraphrase and provide a link. If necessary you may give directions to the particular item you want to share, such as "see the comment at 10:20 p.m. on Oct. 17th, etc.
4. Do NOT name innocent people that have not been shown to have a connection to the case, have not been named by MSM or LE.
5. Do NOT name innocent people that have not been shown to have a connection to the case, have not been named by MSM or LE.
6. Do NOT name innocent people that have not been shown to have a connection to the case, have not been named by MSM or LE.
7. Do NOT name innocent people that have not been shown to have a connection to the case, have not been named by MSM or LE.

Let me know if anyone has any questions. This post falls at random.

Thanks and Welcome to all our newbies, we are happy to have you here and working hard to help find a clue in this horrible case.

Salem

 

[Salem]

I haven't had time to analyze this so called application or "turn key solution" but it looks and smells like hot garbage to me and i have over a decade of experience in the software business.

When I look at his site and read anything from him whether its a personal post, an attempt at his own biography, a joke, or some war game crap, I can't help but think we are dealing with a man who is mentally defecient. His writing ability is pretty lacking (his biz bio), and I think everything else is garbage. Could there be meaning in it? Of course. Could there be encrypted messages to other freaks? yes. But if you were trying to communicate with encrypted messages why would you ever put them on myspace... Could most of it be garbage spewing from the mouth of a semi-insane person? That is the impression I have right now, but I will continue to look into it.

> ok after 5 more minutes and a glass of champers, I think they are claiming this application allows people/tiny businesses to trade sales leads with each other (maybe illegal?) via a VPN. I don't know if that business model would work, I am very skeptical. But I could see such an application being used by pedophiles to trade files in an encrypted fashion.


All I can say for certain is that the posts on myspace about SY and some of the other ones seem relevant to this case such as:

SURF’S-UP
<modsnip>

listen to this, and tell me this guy is not a lunatic!
http://www.associatedcontent.com/audio/7324/its_time_to_change_not_just_for_yourself.html?cat=9

or statements like this on his myspace:
"To grow our Virtual Sales Community, we have developed a scientific mathematical equation with the help of mathematicians, engineers, lawyers, computer scientists and martial artists for large scale technological, professional, and spiritual integration."

really... martial artists helped you build a mathematical equation, not just an equation, a mathematical one lol, wait not just a mathematical equation, a scientific mathematical equation. ok thats super redundant.

I don't know what to make of all this anymore, I jumped the gun on the war game stuff. But that post about SY is most interesting. Maybe this weirdo has a grudge against the guy, SY, who became the hotshot CEO and he is still stuck in an apartment above a garage in emmaus PA.

Please explain to me how this person is related to this case and provide any MSM or LE links. We can't just go sleuthing anyone and post anything about them just because they do odd/unusual things. Show how this person links up, please.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Seaslug44]

After returning from being away and out of town for a few days I thought I clicked on the wrong case.

What on earth is going on here?

There has not been any news released on the case because it has gone cold so people are just randomly linking odd characters to this case now?

 

[goathairjones]

On Newsday today, there is a story about the trial of a local that is being charged with the death of craigslist escort Jennifer Papain, who went by the name sexykatie23:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...-man-to-see-escort-alive-1.3281571?print=true

Chad Johnson, 23 is being charged with killing her and burying her off the LIE in Medford.

Something in the Newsday article jumped out at me. It appears that before they found the bodies, SCPD thought there was some sort of human trafficking ring going on. To me, that seems kind of strange. There were a handful of girls missing around that same time (Jennifer Papain March 2010, Shannan May 2010 and Meaghan Waterman June 2010) and for some reason SCPD thought it was human trafficking and not murder. Why is that? What else is going on that SCPD knows about that would lead them to believe in human trafficking over murder?

Kind of strange since I would associate human trafficking with bringing girls from third-world countries to America. But to bring American girls somewhere else, that just doesn't seem like it would happen, unless of course they know something in particular that was leading them in this direction.

 

[shadowraiths]

In re: Negoish (short for negotiator). He's obviously google-bombing... an old but tried and true way to drive traffic to sites. And imho, meaningless where this case is concerned.

Something in the Newsday article jumped out at me. It appears that before they found the bodies, SCPD thought there was some sort of human trafficking ring going on. To me, that seems kind of strange. There were a handful of girls missing around that same time (Jennifer Papain March 2010, Shannan May 2010 and Meaghan Waterman June 2010) and for some reason SCPD thought it was human trafficking and not murder. Why is that? What else is going on that SCPD knows about that would lead them to believe in human trafficking over murder?

Kind of strange since I would associate human trafficking with bringing girls from third-world countries to America. But to bring American girls somewhere else, that just doesn't seem like it would happen, unless of course they know something in particular that was leading them in this direction.

Not surprising, actually. Pimps are human traffickers and their particular "business" falls within the perview of domestic human trafficking.

That aside, back in 1999... right around the time I began researching the issue of human trafficking, it was considered to be the 3rd largest international criminal enterprise, with drug trafficking coming in first, followed by arms trafficking as a close second. Today, human trafficking is tied for second, with drug trafficking being first. At the rate it's growing, I suspect it will eventually surpass arms trafficking. In any event, here are a couple of articles on the US Dept of Health & Human Services site for both international human trafficking ( link ) and domestic human trafficking ( link ).

 

[Peter Brendt]

In re: Negoish (short for negotiator). He's obviously google-bombing... an old but tried and true way to drive traffic to sites. And imho, meaningless where this case is concerned.


Not surprising, actually. Pimps are human traffickers and their particular "business" falls within the perview of domestic human trafficking.

That aside, back in 1999... right around the time I began researching the issue of human trafficking, it was considered to be the 3rd largest international criminal enterprise, with drug trafficking coming in first, followed by arms trafficking as a close second. Today, human trafficking is tied for second, with drug trafficking being first. At the rate it's growing, I suspect it will eventually surpass arms trafficking. In any event, here are a couple of articles on the US Dept of Health & Human Services site for both international human trafficking ( link ) and domestic human trafficking ( link ).

The difference however is, that society notices drugs and arms a lot more. Try to write a novel about drug dealers or bad arms smugglers and you can sell it. But try to write about human trafficking and the editors tell you all, that this subject doesn't exist and it is also no subject for novels (which implicitly is their admission, the subject exists).

 

[shadowraiths]

The difference however is, that society notices drugs and arms a lot more. Try to write a novel about drug dealers or bad arms smugglers and you can sell it. But try to write about human trafficking and the editors tell you all, that this subject doesn't exist and it is also no subject for novels (which implicitly is their admission, the subject exists).

While certainly true back in the late-90s/early 2000-ish, the topic has begun receiving air-time, so to speak. For examle, Kathryn Bolkovac's expose of human trafficking in Bosnia was made into a movie. ( link ) And Demi Moore & Ashton Kutcher founded DNA Foundation ( link ) and launched their "Real Men" ( link ) campaign to fight child sex trafficking. This, in turn is raising public awareness, in that MSM has begun taking notice. Regardless, I think part of the problem is lack of education about this subject. For example, people regularly confuse smuggling with human trafficking. Moreover, they assume it must involve transporting the victim across country borders. Because of this, domestic human trafficking goes largely unnoticed. Additionally, people equate human trafficking with sex trafficking and yet there are numerous areas that fall under the human trafficking rubric (i.e., forced & bonded labor, involuntary domestic servitude, child soldiers, etc, link ).

As far as this case goes, I suspect the trafficking angle involves pimps and possibly a sort of "pimp network" if you will. Even so, I doubt we're looking at a cleaner or that sort of thing. That is, someone who disposes of the victims once they "lose value" or pose a threat to the pimp's business. I do however think the culture within which these people work plays a significant role, in that it brings the victims within the grasp of their killer. Granted, working in the sex industry carries that inherent risk. However, since these women are from various locations, I am of the opinion that the connection will be more significant than happenstance. For example, perhaps some of their services involved engaging clients at private sex parties. Parties that the killer not only also frequented but that would take place at various locations. This would give him not only access to the girls but a means to single them out without drawing attention to himself. It could also explain why there is not a more solid connection (outside of craigslist) between the girls (i.e., all of them saw the same john, or had the same driver, etcetera).

 

[Peter Brendt]

While certainly true back in the late-90s/early 2000-ish, the topic has begun receiving air-time, so to speak. For examle, Kathryn Bolkovac's expose of human trafficking in Bosnia was made into a movie. ( link ) And Demi Moore & Ashton Kutcher founded DNA Foundation ( link ) and launched their "Real Men" ( link ) campaign to fight child sex trafficking. This, in turn is raising public awareness, in that MSM has begun taking notice. Regardless, I think part of the problem is lack of education about this subject. For example, people regularly confuse smuggling with human trafficking. Moreover, they assume it must involve transporting the victim across country borders. Because of this, domestic human trafficking goes largely unnoticed. Additionally, people equate human trafficking with sex trafficking and yet there are numerous areas that fall under the human trafficking rubric (i.e., forced & bonded labor, involuntary domestic servitude, child soldiers, etc, link ).

As far as this case goes, I suspect the trafficking angle involves pimps and possibly a sort of "pimp network" if you will. Even so, I doubt we're looking at a cleaner or that sort of thing. That is, someone who disposes of the victims once they "lose value" or pose a threat to the pimp's business. I do however think the culture within which these people work plays a significant role, in that it brings the victims within the grasp of their killer. Granted, working in the sex industry carries that inherent risk. However, since these women are from various locations, I am of the opinion that the connection will be more significant than happenstance. For example, perhaps some of their services involved engaging clients at private sex parties. Parties that the killer not only also frequented but that would take place at various locations. This would give him not only access to the girls but a means to single them out without drawing attention to himself. It could also explain why there is not a more solid connection (outside of craigslist) between the girls (i.e., all of them saw the same john, or had the same driver, etcetera).

Don't get me wrong, I don't think, this is a huma trafficking case at all, my remark was more about the general problem, thus a little off-topic. And I like to see the subject getting air time but still think, it's not enough. In the end, not the FBI made the public aware of the serial killers but it was rather Silence of the Lambs and thus, I think, we would need some good old fiction to make people realize the problem is real. Sounds weird, but it seems to be how society works.