NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #6

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"Training excercise" is kind of a misnomer in this case. Officer Mallia and his dog were specifically in the area to look for clues into the disappearance of Shannon Gilbert. They searched the gated community first (over the summer), then months later, started searching along the side of the road because FBI stats say that is where most serial killers dump the bodies of their victims. So it wasn't just chance that lead Mallia to the bodies of the other women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...-for-bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html

Wow.. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll edit my other post so I don't spread any more misinformation.

I could of sworn I read a post on here that said something about a training exercise, I think it was thread #2 or 3. But then again, I read the article you referred me to the other day and didn't even think of it. :floorlaugh:

Too late for me to edit the other post, wont let me do it.
 
One other advantage of clicking on the "Remember Me" button where you log-in, is a nice feature where it pretty much takes you to the last page you were reading on when you return to the thread. I find that enormously helpful in cases with long, multiple threads like this one.
 
Wow.. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll edit my other post so I don't spread any more misinformation.

I could of sworn I read a post on here that said something about a training exercise, I think it was thread #2 or 3. But then again, I read the article you referred me to the other day and didn't even think of it. :floorlaugh:

Well, you really weren't far off. It was defined as a "training excercise". In this case, though, it seems to apply more to keeping a dog's nose sharp by working him. So, while they were out there looking specifically for clues into the disappearance of SG, they did stumble upon the bodies of the other 4 by chance. I mean, they weren't LOOKING for 4 missing prostitutes, you know?

ETA: I wouldn't worry about editting your previous post. It's not that big of a deal. Like I said, you weren't THAT far off. :)
 
One other advantage of clicking on the "Remember Me" button where you log-in, is a nice feature where it pretty much takes you to the last page you were reading on when you return to the thread. I find that enormously helpful in cases with long, multiple threads like this one.

Thanks to everyone for the help and the warm welcome. At first I clicked the "remember me" box...it never seemed to do anything! Hahaha. 'cause I wasn't posting then, and was tryin' to find my way around the site as a "newbie" Tx! to so many...

Pretty classy website you have here!
 
wow, I have never even noticed a remember feature, lol. Here since 09 and still learning the ropes :crazy:

howy do Ms.MK, been missing you lately, hope you are well.

So any new developments on this one today (plan to read the last few pages but thought I could get a quicky update on whether there have been any new breaking things in the investigation)

Hi and tx to you both!

Check out Manorville. IMO it's related and many other posters think this SK may have more dumpsites. I'd really like to know other peoples' thoughts on this - to me it is more related than AC...JMO
 
Something tells me I may regret that last post. Pls don't be too harsh - I LOVE dogs and my dog has as good a nose as any!
 
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Something tells me I may regret that last post. Pls don't be too harsh - I LOVE dogs and my dog has as good a nose as any!

You've gone round the bend, my feline friend. :floorlaugh:

All kidding aside, though...I think that "serial killer is someone in LE" rumor is nonsense, and nothing more than a distraction. JMO
 
Wow.. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll edit my other post so I don't spread any more misinformation.

I could of sworn I read a post on here that said something about a training exercise, I think it was thread #2 or 3. But then again, I read the article you referred me to the other day and didn't even think of it. :floorlaugh:

Too late for me to edit the other post, wont let me do it.

The first reports did say he was out on a training exercise. I am not even sure when it changed.It has though.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/13/acd.01.html

Last December 11, a police officer out training his dog finds a woman's body on Gilgo Beach in Suffolk County. December 13, police find three more bodies. The four women, some found in burlap bags, all were in their 20s, working as prostitutes, advertising their services on Craigslist.
 
in this day and age with all the crime shows and books and sites such as this, the SK knowing to stay on the phone a brief time so as not to have the call traced and being clever enough to have avoided detection all this time is a far stretch from LE or former LE. He could just be someone entrenched enough in the community and familiar with popular crime knowledge to know some basics.
 
secret77 said:
Serial Killing is a very personal, "hands on" endeavour.
Serial Killers do not "delegate" their deeds to other people.
Serial Killers get the thrill of killing by their own hand.
Serial Killers don't have associates. (unless they team up with another SK)
All evidence, including a LE arrest and her own family testimony confirms that SG was indeed working as an independent, <modsnip>.

Not all multiple murderers are serial killers.

I never said they were.
My post states clearly "Serial Killers" not "multiple murderers."

I think at this point, it is pretty obvious (as confirmed by LE) that the 4 Long Island murders are NOT the work of a multiple murderer, they are the work of a serial killer.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

A serial killer is typically defined as an individual who has murdered three or more people over a period of more than a month, with down time (a "cooling off period") between the murders, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification
 
Are you talking about the voice recording that Nancy played? That wasn't the actual conversation--that was a couple of people from Nancy's staff doing a voice over script of said conversation between sk and victim's sister.

Thanks. I never heard them announce that it was a voice over. The male voice sounded so phony, and I didn't hear any of the sister's conversation. I only heard the angry male saying "do you know what your sister's doing? She's a -----!" Surely the man was recorded since he kept calling? If so, wonder if police will play it for the public like they did when btk called the operator to report the dead body of his victim. He seemed to have changed his voice a bit, but I think his wife or mother should have been able to tell it was him.
 
The other thing with the motel is that he would've had to carry each body out of the room and into his car.....maybe he could do it in the darkness and not be seen by anyone, but for me, it is very doubtful he would take that risk. He's too careful and planned and minimizes his risks, imo

I agree.
Going by the evidence and the way all victims were disposed of, it is likely that all 4 victims were picked up by the SK, and they were either:

1-Driven to his home in the South Shore and then murdered there.
Then the SK had plenty to time to clean up, take "care" of the bodies and to plan the best time and way of disposal, like Joel Rifkin did.
This is the most likely scenario, because it gives the SK absolute control over his environment.

2-Strangled right in the the car and disposed of shortly after.
This scenario is highly unlikely due to the way the victims were disposed of.
It is very risky and cumbersome to undress a body inside a car, etc

It is very unlikely the victims were taken to motels, because the probability of having witnesses, surveillance cameras and leaving evidence behind (hairs, etc) is very high.
 
Hi and tx to you both!

Check out Manorville. IMO it's related and many other posters think this SK may have more dumpsites. I'd really like to know other peoples' thoughts on this - to me it is more related than AC...JMO

Yep! I believe they are related. I never thought that the four found on Gilgo beach in December were his very first victims. My theory is that he began at least in 2000. He killed in AC and had those women facing east which says to me that he was sending a message, "Look to the east for death." I figured that he was in his mid to late 30's in 2000 so I think he may be between the ages of 48-55. He probably is 48 years old. This guy is a maniac. He started off dismembering but that takes a lot of work and he is getting up in age and can't be bothered with all of the cleaning of blood splatter all over the place. Attempting to cut out tattoo's is just too much of a nuisance. He wanted those bodies to be found for he hid them out in the open. The locals say that if the person really lived in the area they would know wooded areas if they didn't want a body to be found.

I've been leaning towards this fool working for a law firm in Manhattan. He certainly lives in the Gilgo beach area and grew up on Long Island. He may have a place in AC too--around the beach. I don't see him traveling a good 3 hours from Long Island to AC with four bodies. He has a place where he could take his time with them yet he didn't have the proper necessities to do what he really wanted to do in AC. On Long Island, he has gone out of his way over the years to purchase equipment and seal of space to create his own little slice of hell. This is a hobby for him. The women found on LI experienced unimaginable suffering compared to the AC women. The media is going to have some story to tell once they find his place. If the public, especially in the city, can just be more aware and look for obsessive compulsive tendencies in their boss or co-worker who is around 48 years old they might be able to notice other quirks about him. He is <modsnip> to work with but when conversed with outside of the job--he is an alright kind of guy. Nobody you would invite over for a cookout but he just good enough to talk to during the lunch hour. He's very intelligent and is good at what he does. Everything is and must be in place in his office. The stapler has its own spot on his desk as well as the pen holder. If you approach him while he is sitting at his desk and move an object from its spot while conversing with him; he will move that object right back where it belongs. He can't help himself. Things MUST be in order--and probably in order of FOURS.

I believe he is a <modsnip> man who is married to some oblivious woman who has no idea that he has this little slice of hell someplace. She has seen a few red flags down through the years but just doesn't know that they are RED FLAGS--yet. This fool is a <modsnip> to her. He insults her in front of others but she just chalks it up to it being his personality and it no longer bothers her. He has trained her well to serve his needs and she believes that this is her purpose in being his wife. He controls everything and he's cheap too! The hoops this woman has to jump through to get an extra dollar out of him is not to be believed. God forbid if she doesn't rinse out paper towels to be re-used and they are kept in a neat stack on the kitchen counter.

These days he is planning. Looking for a new dumping ground or reassessing prior areas. He can get quite gruesomely creative and the wheels are turning in his mind. He needs to make a statement loud and clear and he just can't wait to read about it and watch the press conferences when he is done. Then, off to work he goes on the LIRR pondering who is going to be next.

But, hey, what do I know?
 
What is Manorville? The AC victims were local prostitutes killed at different times, just placed together from what I recall so he wouldn't be transporting 4 dead women to AC from NY. I only remember one of those from the AC murders COD as strangulation. They were in different stages of decomposition.
 
I can't for the life of me figure out why LE has been unable to set up a surveillance camera in some of these cases where multiple body dumps have occurred. In the AC case it was someone who worked in the area that discovered the bodies. Surely LE could have gotten their cooperation to keep quiet about it for a week maybe. In the LI case where the first 4 were found was by a police officer. Install cameras and stay out of the area. When you find multiple bodies in one specific area you know they will be back. Looking at the motel area in AC and the LI area LE staked out at those locations would be obvious to the killer. I'm betting the dump sites are areas very familiar to the killer and he would be trolling before making a dump in the same or near spot he has left other bodies in knowing they may have been found. Which brings me to my next point; He's disposing of them close together in multiples so he can return. It's way too risky after you have dumped the first body to then go back and put the second one then a third, etc. I think the locations are important because to me it indicates he is able to somehow monitor these areas without being suspected so he knows the remains haven't been discovered. Dept. of highways or a patrol cop is where I'm leaning.
 
What is Manorville? The AC victims were local prostitutes killed at different times, just placed together from what I recall so he wouldn't be transporting 4 dead women to AC from NY. I only remember one of those from the AC murders COD as strangulation. They were in different stages of decomposition.

I just found this link....scary. Sorry if someone already posted this.

Manorville - Long Island's other serial killer:

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/
 
From Newsay.com, a very nice photo of the search at the docks, with houses in the background. Photo by James Carbone, says it's from today. Rest of article here: http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/search-for-clues-puts-divers-back-in-water-1.2828421


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The first house there with the wooden siding and the steps down to the dock looks like PH's house.

Was he the last one to see her alive?
 
Yep! I believe they are related. I never thought that the four found on Gilgo beach in December were his very first victims. My theory is that he began at least in 2000. He killed in AC and had those women facing east which says to me that he was sending a message, "Look to the east for death." I figured that he was in his mid to late 30's in 2000 so I think he may be between the ages of 48-55. He probably is 48 years old. This guy is a maniac. He started off dismembering but that takes a lot of work and he is getting up in age and can't be bothered with all of the cleaning of blood splatter all over the place. Attempting to cut out tattoo's is just too much of a nuisance. He wanted those bodies to be found for he hid them out in the open. The locals say that if the person really lived in the area they would know wooded areas if they didn't want a body to be found.

I've been leaning towards this <modsnip> working for a law firm in Manhattan. He certainly lives in the Gilgo beach area and grew up on Long Island. He may have a place in AC too--around the beach. I don't see him traveling a good 3 hours from Long Island to AC with four bodies. He has a place where he could take his time with them yet he didn't have the proper necessities to do what he really wanted to do in AC. On Long Island, he has gone out of his way over the years to purchase equipment and seal of space to create his own little slice of hell. This is a hobby for him. The women found on LI experienced unimaginable suffering compared to the AC women. The media is going to have some story to tell once they find his place. If the public, especially in the city, can just be more aware and look for obsessive compulsive tendencies in their boss or co-worker who is around 48 years old they might be able to notice other quirks about him. He is an <modsnip> to work with but when conversed with outside of the job--he is an alright kind of guy. Nobody you would invite over for a cookout but he just good enough to talk to during the lunch hour. He's very intelligent and is good at what he does. Everything is and must be in place in his office. The stapler has its own spot on his desk as well as the pen holder. If you approach him while he is sitting at his desk and move an object from its spot while conversing with him; he will move that object right back where it belongs. He can't help himself. Things MUST be in order--and probably in order of FOURS.

I believe he is a <modsnip> man who is married to some oblivious woman who has no idea that he has this little slice of hell someplace. She has seen a few red flags down through the years but just doesn't know that they are RED FLAGS--yet. This fool is a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 to her. He insults her in front of others but she just chalks it up to it being his personality and it no longer bothers her. He has trained her well to serve his needs and she believes that this is her purpose in being his wife. He controls everything and he's cheap too! The hoops this woman has to jump through to get an extra dollar out of him is not to be believed. God forbid if she doesn't rinse out paper towels to be re-used and they are kept in a neat stack on the kitchen counter.

These days he is planning. Looking for a new dumping ground or reassessing prior areas. He can get quite gruesomely creative and the wheels are turning in his mind. He needs to make a statement loud and clear and he just can't wait to read about it and watch the press conferences when he is done. Then, off to work he goes on the LIRR pondering who is going to be next.

But, hey, what do I know?

Hey Sistah,

I agree with some of your comments but I disagree on some as well.

I don't think he works in a law firm. I actually think he is an out-of-work engineer, laid off about 2 years ago. I would guess that he lives in Copaigue by Tanner Park and he often walks to the park to look across the bay toward his victims. He grew up in Queens and moved to Long Island later on. I don't think he is obsessive compulsive. I think he actually has some organization issues and although he is not a hoarder, he can be a little untidy. 48 years old sounds about right to me. Yes, he is a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 to work with and yes, he is an alright kind of guy outside of the job. I agree that nobody would invite over for a cookout but people don't mind talking to him for a little bit. But he could go on and on with his talking because he is lonely and welcomes anyone who will listen to him.

He's very intelligent and is good at what he does. I don't think he is that orderly except when it comes to the girls. Then, everything must be perfect.

I agree he is <modsnip> but I don't agree that he is married. In fact I don't think he was ever married or ever had any lengthy relationships. He has dated strippers but they didn't date him for his looks, they dated him for his money. He is about 6 foot tall and not very handsome. Kinda looks like lurch.

This is how I picture him.
 
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