NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay, I had sleuthed Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina (owner Jack Brewer). But I'm looking now and don't see a close match for our CVS phone number.

I don't know.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Wow! Lots of info there if you read the 2 page thread. Thanks for the post. I'm going to poke around over there some more for a minute.

Interesting read, but ALOT of inaccurate info. Take it all with a whopping grain of salt.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Okay, I had sleuthed Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina (owner Jack Brewer). But I'm looking now and don't see a close match for our CVS phone number.

I don't know.

I may be wrong but I don't think they're related. They're owned by a large NE company and I've never heard of any connection to JB.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I think the timeline could fit. I take a leasurely walk during my lunch break many days and can easily walk a mile in 20 minutes (while talking on the phone). She could have called 911 immediately before her driver came in. Allot can happen in 24 minutes!

Right, but my main point was that we would have to believe that all this happened in a relatively short timespan, AND in the course of that time span, some stranger just happens to show up and shove SG into his vehicle?

We can safely assume SG was on the phone to 911 when she was knocking on neighbors doors, based on what the family says they heard on the 911 call. We know that GC saw an asian man in a vehicle driving around looking for SG (and this matches the description of her driver). Again, from what the family says of the 911 call, they hear SG screaming for someone to get away from her (and they seem to believe from the call that she was pulled into a vehicle). This is the point where the 911 call ends abruptly. LE shows up shortly thereafter (according to some reports, they missed her by 5 minutes). Now logic tells me that if all this is true, the only logical person who could have shoved her into a vehicle was the asian man GC saw following her. This HAS to be her driver. It simply defies reason to think...in just 24 minutes, from start of 911 to end of 911 call...some unknown serial killer just happened to show up on the scene and abduct her.

Either we are getting ALOT of inaccurate info here, or her driver caught up with her and put her into his vehicle. Now, if he was questioned by LE when they arrived, where was SG? Could he have grabbed her and taken her back to JB's? I don't know. I would THINK LE would have searched Brewer's house, wouldn't you?

The whole thing just doesn't add up.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I may be wrong but I don't think they're related. They're owned by a large NE company and I've never heard of any connection to JB.

Yeah, that was what I'd determined when I sleuthed it originally. And I'm not finding any number now that comes up that is close to the CVS #, so I think it's unrelated too. My guess is that the yacht broker number that is close to the CVS number is just a coincidence, but who knows? I personally think she called CVS because she meant to call CVS.

JMO

 

[MrsG728]

Oh hell! I sleuthed something about a yacht broker awhile back and now I can't remember what it was! :banghead:

Oh wait! Try Brewer Yachts or Brewer Marina and see if the number matches! Seems the name of the owner was Jack Brewer. (JB's brother maybe?)

MK I remember this and I was going to say it before "One of you had sleuthed a marina I remember!"

Let's put our heads together :waitasec:

 

[MrsG728]

Wow! Lots of info there if you read the 2 page thread. Thanks for the post. I'm going to poke around over there some more for a minute.

Seriously, you guys- we're much better sleuthers!:websleuther:

 

[MrsG728]

I can't find it anywhere, but this rumor was debunked this morning on wcbs880 AM radio.

It basically said the Post made things up, and County Exec Steve Levy said Dormer has done a great job handling the case.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I can't find it anywhere, but this rumor was debunked this morning on wcbs880 AM radio.

It basically said the Post made things up, and County Exec Steve Levy said Dormer has done a great job handling the case.

:floorlaugh:

 

[carbuff]

The Post got something wrong?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. What is the world coming to?

 

[carbuff]

Agree 100%....I've said it many times before that a SG thread should be opened. The only tie to the 4 bodies maybe the others is that they were looking for SG's possible remains.
If I were JB, the doc, or driver, I would be fighting mad that my name was mentioned as an SK. People going thru my business and records would tick any of us off.

Here is Shannon's missing person thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122841&highlight=Shannon+Gilbert

I go back and forth about whether I think SG is connected.

I can see coincidence being at work here. If the killer does live or rent in Oak Beach (I still think he's a summer person, not a permanent resident), then her stumbling into him is no longer such a wild coincidence. Coincidence, yes, but he's gotta live somewhere, and people wherever that is are going to have contact with him.

The other thing is if somehow this guy is tracking vulnerable women. I haven't worked out how that could happen -- in this case he might have been listening to the police scanners, or just attracted to the lights and fuss. If the women are traveling by LIRR, maybe he works for or travels on the railroad and has picked them out well ahead of time.

 

[goathairjones]

Wow! Lots of info there if you read the 2 page thread. Thanks for the post. I'm going to poke around over there some more for a minute.

21merc7, Thanks for pointing out Page 2. There was a mention on Page 2 about another killer, Larry Gene Bell. This guy also harrassed the family of the victims afterwards. Very interesting:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gene_Bell[/ame]

 

[svpernin]

Hope these links aren't a repeat. Here are some links I have found. If you google "Shannan Gilbert911 call there are many more.

Several reliable sites describe Shannan's 911 call, some saying the police told the mother the details of the call,

one saying "Police say Gilbert even specifically named her attacker who was someone she knew."

See http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2010/12/missing_jersey_city_woman_iden.html
This includes a video interview of the mother and the sister. They do not say they heard the call directly.

Then there is
http://www.my9tv.com/dpp/my9_news/suspected-long-island-serial-killer-'met-victims-on-craigslist'

"We all heard the last 911 call," said Gilbert's mother, Mari Gilbert. "[Shannan] was screaming the person's name [and saying], 'He is trying to kill me!' She was saying, 'Help me! Help me! Help me!' She was trying to escape. We know who it is."

I had many interruptions trying to get this posted. Sorry it is rather sloppy.

I may be losing my mind but I had a flashback while reading these articles. A few months ago (probably Feb), I could have sworn I read a similar article about Shannan's 911 call that also said the person she named "lived in the area" near where she disappeared. It was an interview with her family and they said the person named was A) Not JB, B) Someone Shannan knew and C) Someone who lives nearby. Does anyone else remember this? I cannot find it anywhere.

 

[MrsPC]

have any of you researched Pak's possible links to Atlantic City, NJ?

There are several people with that last name residing there.

 

[carbuff]

Since MP's name has not been made public in the media, we should be careful how we refer to him. Also, that means we can't sleuth him in here.

 

[Seaslug44]

Mother's account of SG's call screaming on the 911 call.


http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=7843812

Hmmm... I forgot all about the "someone she knows" statement. That makes it clear to me that the person responsible for SG's disappearance is

1. Someone in the business (like a pimp) who either a)she no longer wanted to work for or b)she currently worked for or c)she refused to accept offers to work for.
2. A John who she has seen on more than one occassion. Escorts are like rock stars and celebraties; eventually they all have that one "creepy" person who they were nice to in the past but eventually try to distant themselves from because their friendliness turns into a form of stalking.
3. An Ex-Boyfriend who never got over her and who has been stalking her ever since.

 

[twocuriouscats]

Don't know if it's been posted already, but interesting comment from the admin on findshannangilbert site, in the comments section.

Wondering says:
April 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Wonder if Brewer and/or Hackett has friends or relatives within the Long Island police?

Reply
admin says:
April 26, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Interesting comment Wondering, thanks for reading and bringing that up.
It blows my mind that the Doctor rode around the neighborhood in a car complete with flashing red lights acting as a rent-a-cop for the gated community. Thats gets murkier with the understandong the security tapes for that night have gone missing.


Of course, it hasn't been verified or fact checked, but if true, very interesting

Hi NJGuy,

Wish we knew where that info came from. Is IS interesting - could explain a lot. Like why Shannan seemed to be afraid and ran and hid when gc said he was calling 911 (or maybe he said "the police"). Could be SG ALREADY had "encountered" PH "acting as a rent-a-cop for the gated community."

The thought of that truly terrifies me, and SG was clearly terrified thinking "They" were trying to kill her.

PH probably has scanners/radios so he could have heard police being dispatched to find a girl who was running around the community...Hmmmm
Very interesting indeed!

 

[kemo]

Crime Library (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/index.html) today featured the LI SK case. The only relevant new information I saw was a little more specific info on MB's last day. Apparently on July 10, 2009, she checked her voice mail from two motels in Massapequa, a Budget Inn and a Best Western. This is from NYT 1/26/11. The significance of this is that she apparently had multiple "dates" on LI and it is close to certain that she made the two Voicemail calls herself. This still places the SK in South Shore LI but not necessarily Massapequa.

The article brings up the mysterious house guest of JB, the 48 year old "drifter" who is apparently now in Georgia. He doesn't sound like Dr. HP.

I can't help thinking the SG is an "isolated incident" and may be harder to "solve" that Serial killings.

 

[dcgrumpy]

I've seen stories that she named the person who was chasing her but I can't find anything that says the person she named wasn't JB or the driver.

and I don't understand how they would know from the phone call that she was pulled into a truck.

 

[stillwatersc]

I've seen stories that she named the person who was chasing her but I can't find anything that says the person she named wasn't JB or the driver.

and I don't understand how they would know from the phone call that she was pulled into a truck.

Shannan could have told the 911 operator.