NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #4

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The whole page just seemed odd in the way it was presented. Something about it wasn't right. I'm sure more digging into could turn up something. I want to find the link in previous posts about the locations and maps of JB, The witness GC and the DR as well and see where the address I came up with fits into it, if at all
The more I look at the pages the more my hinkey goes off. I don't know why. Maybe this SK is bring this place into it also...I mean dang...could this be his way to throw the scent off him...his game? Or could he actually have some history with this CBCA? If he does, doesn't that mean he would have to live there either present or past?

Here is one map I think

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14582&d=1302653544
 
So...anybody have an idea what is going to be stated in tomorrow's press conference?

I think they may announce that they have received commmunique from the sk.

I think they may announce they have the investigation under control ,no reason to worry. Very good leads and there is no risk to the community.

I wondered if Shannon witnessed a murder and thats how she knew someone was going to kill her. 2 johns would need two girls right?
 
Just MOO. I am not buying the doc. I think the SK is familiar with the community. Either worked(s) or lived(s) there. He had ties in both places. That is why he felt comfortable and safe enough using those locations as his personal dumping grounds.

I will not be at all surprised to discover down the road that SK and Doc had interacted in some way in the past. Whatever happened in that interaction, no matter how insignificant it seemed to the doc, it left a bad taste in SK's mouth. That is why doc's name was used in phone call.

ETA this portion - as to how the SK got moms phone number? Any number of ways. Either SK still has the victim's unaccounted for cel phone or the SK found it out there on the WWW or used possible LE or community connections to get hold of it. Think about it, how much info do we find out about people just by knowing how to poke around on the web? I don't think getting hold of mom's phone number is necessarily a difficult thing for a clever person to accomplish.

Again, all MOO, speculation, whatnot.
 
OK Sistah, Then how did he get Shannan's mothers telephone # ???

I know this isn't addressed to me, but we're kind of under the impression that someone posing as the doctor (SK) made the actual call.

The serial killer would have had access to her cell-phone, which probably had a entry in the phone-book as Mom.

That isn't to say that the doctor couldn't be the SK, because he could. But it would have been kind of foolish for him to make that call if he were really guilty of something.
 
OK Sistah, Then how did he get Shannan's mothers telephone # ???
I believe Sherre, Shannan's sister, addressed that on Shannan's web page in her comments. I had the feeling the family thought he was calling from Shannan's cellie which we have not heard of being found. If LE had her cellie I don't think she would have even mentioned - How did he get my mom's tele#? IMO

Gosh, it would be hard to imagine a professional man w/ 2 kids in Ivy League colleges would be a killer, eh? But, going into the physician's site he has a rating of 1 out of 4. And there is one comment that the patient thought he was either drunk or on drugs. It is public info as it is on that site. IMO

Good question. Maybe he got it from Shannan's cell phone. He killed her so he had access to her cell phone which I'm sure she had momma's phone number. Did the family hang up fliers in the neighborhood with the phone number? That's possible.
 
I can tell you this. The doctor's children are no dummies. Ivy league.

I highly doubt the doctor even saw SG that night.

I doubt the son really goes to Harvard; I think he put that on his FB as a joke. He seems nice enough but judging from his writing, he is borderline illiterate. Plus, Harvard is in session now but he's skiing and camping out on his parents' back deck.

There are two daughters, the one mentioned here and another currently at Smith College. They aren't dummies.
 
Good question. Maybe he got it from Shannan's cell phone. He killed her so he had access to her cell phone which I'm sure she had momma's phone number. Did the family hang up fliers in the neighborhood with the phone number? That's possible.
Also a BOLO! moo Like something LE would know...a patrol officer would have all the information not just the usual BOLO
 
He seems VERY nervous, as he gets into his white SUV. At 1:13 especially, the "I've had a very nice life" bit is an odd statement. The whole thing is "off" to me, thoughts?

(PS-this was dec)


http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-client-interview,0,541593.story

Hi, Fashionella; I think that "nervous" comes with the territory of being identified as the john who employed a young woman who went missing. As for the "I've had a very nice life", it comes immediately after his statements that he is not the victim, the family is, and that he is fortunate.

I think that the most significant quote on the tape is the statement by the police official that Mr. Brewer "has been most cooperative." That acknowledgment would weaken any prosecution. I honestly think that the police don't think of him as a prime target. And, from what has been public so far, I think that they are right.
 
note..this case reminding some of you of Dexter is sort of an oxymoron...after all the writing of Dexters character is based on a composite of what are some common habits and practices shared by knows SK's.

I will be very suprised if they find the disgarded clothing of the victims..I beleive he not only keeps them but may have his victims or girlfreinds wear the clothing of these dead girls. I say this because if he is in fact linked to the AC killings, he took the foot wear only...I beleive for conveinence in travel and what he can carry on the road.

not that I am convinced on the AC connection. are you???

on Doctor Hackett ( love the name) ...I think the sk called the mother, not him...
a rehab facility for prostitutes? ... he is nasty, bitter and evil man...if he did make this call he will live to regret it...I think the eyes in the composite sketch look stunningly like the doctors heavy lidded drooping eyes....

I wonder if they can place him in AC at the time of the first 4?

I like a 50 something man, physically fit and financially secure...but I still don't feel like it's a family man...I feel like he is maybe in a reletionship but free to pursue his projects at night.
 
nice catch and would explain why he had to wear a disguise to cover that up?

We have to imagine the Dr 5 years younger since the sketch was of a guy in 2006. Then he would have been about 50 if the age a poster put on here is correct, 55 now.
 
An odd thought occurred to me. Like the families of other loved ones who have disappeared, Shannan Gilbert's mother and sister seem very proactive; their strong motivation has caused them to go to the scene, courageously talk with people who, for all they know, might have been involved actively or by inaction involved with her disappearance. Without any media experience, they have gone on television, radio, and exposed themselves to interviewers, some of whom ask embarrassing questions.

My thought was that perhaps the doctor caller hadn't mentioned his name; that Mrs. Gilbert and her daughters had somehow deduced it, correctly or incorrectly, from the information given. We have often being relying on their accounts which sometimes vary in specifics or even contradict one another, for example, in whether they have directly heard the 911 tapes. I am not criticizing them; under such intense stress, they have done a better job than I would have done. I do think that sometimes, however, that intense stress has to be taken into consideration.
 
It doesn't make much sense to me that the sk would involve the doctor. How would it buy him much time? He would know the family would immediately check with the doctor to find out the details of SG being there, if she didn't come home. It makes more sense to me that the caller was trying to cover any siting of SG being near or in his house. If the caller wasn't the doctor, his call would still make an association between SG's disappearance and the area. How would that help him out? There are so many missing pieces to this story, it's hard not to get confused.
 
An odd thought occurred to me. Like the families of other loved ones who have disappeared, Shannan Gilbert's mother and sister seem very proactive; their strong motivation has caused them to go to the scene, courageously talk with people who, for all that know, might have been involved actively or by inaction involved with her disappearance. Without any media experience, they have gone on television, radio, and exposed themselves to interviewers, some of whom ask embarrassing question.

My thought was that perhaps the doctor caller hadn't mentioned his name; that Mrs. Gilbert and her daughters had somehow deduced it, correctly or incorrectly, from the information given. We have often being relying on their accounts which sometimes vary in specifics or even contradict one another, for example, in whether they have directly heard the 911 tapes. I am not criticizing them; under such intense stress, they have done a better job than I would have done. I do think that sometimes, howeer, that intense stress has to be taken into consideration.

As I recall from their FB page, they talked with the doctor a second time when they went to the area to search for Shannen. At that time, he acknowledged calling them, but denied telling them he had kept Shannen at his "shelter" or whatever he called it. They were very puzzled that he would make the call, admit it, but then later deny that he told them she stayed at his "shelter". It wasn't something they would have imagined or made up.
 
If the sk was going to make up a story for SG's family, wouldn't he try to tell them something that would get their attention away from that area? We have to remember that no bodies had been found yet.
 
omg...this thing feels like a weird upwardly mobile suburbanite sex club thing...like maybe the guys order up a girl and pass her around the cul de sac or whatever it is there.

if they arranged the driver, then they would have just booked it one way, right? cause she wouldn't need a ride home...right...or maybe a ride to another house down the road...? so she must have booked her driver right?

something spooked her...at JB's or somewhere near by...if she named her attacker...then it shouldn't be so hard for the cops to make sense of this...

I wish I could hear that damm tape!
 
A few questions some of you might be able to offer some insight on:

1). How exactly does a "gated community" work? I assume there is a gate with a locking mechanism, or a guard posted at the gate, correct? So then, how do landscapers, workmen, postal workers, guests of residents, etc. enter the community? Do they ring someone? Push in a code? Have a slide card? How do emergency vehicles (police, rescue,FD) enter the gates? How would SG's "driver" have entered?

2). Does anyone know if the OBCA contracts with a lawn or landscaping company? I know the individual residents are likely responsible for the upkeep on their own properties, but is there property that belongs to the CA itself? If so, who maintains that? Anyone know?
 
It doesn't make much sense to me that the sk would involve the doctor. How would it buy him much time? He would know the family would immediately check with the doctor to find out the details of SG being there, if she didn't come home. It makes more sense to me that the caller was trying to cover any siting of SG being near or in his house. If the caller wasn't the doctor, his call would still make an association between SG's disappearance and the area. How would that help him out? There are so many missing pieces to this story, it's hard not to get confused.

In the original phone call to SG's mother the "dr." told the mother that SG is ok and that she is in a halfway house/rehab, ostensibly to reassure them that she is alive. The motive is pretty obvious. In JB and his guests mind--if the family gets assurance they will lay off them and stay in Buffalo, instead of coming to OB and knocking on peoples doors and hounding the cops. They know the gate has 4 cameras, they know she called 911, they know she was in the neighbor's house....well, a red herring like a local dr. and some 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and bull story might keep the family at bay and implicate an innocent man, something this sicko would have no conscience away
 
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