NY - LISK Bodies found as of December 10, 2011 Thread #13

[Seaslug44]

Whenever Suffolk homicide is real serious about a case, they hand over the remains to the NYPD ME's office (because Suffolk doesn't have state of the art resources, training or equipment). This is what they did with each of the GB4's remains. Hopefully they did the same for SG (however no mention has been made that they did). The NYPD ME's mobile van was on the scene for some of the days that they searched for SG. Not sure if they were there the day she was found.

 

[the quiet girl]

I just wanted to post this here, it is still bugging me. Where are all her clothes?

A side note here. I read last night that Shannans boots were thigh high leather. Soooo... think about this if she was wearing those running through the marsh. Her jeans wouldn't have been so wet it actually would have been a help. Unless they were high heels and that said Iknow women who can run on the beach sand in heels. I wish we had a picture of these boots she wore and was she wearing them when she ran. Also what happened with her bag of change of clothes?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

I’ve read through your posts – your questions are very important.

Also for Maureen and Melissa (and possibly undiscovered others) he may have used a Faraday bag.

http://faraday-bags.com/index.php/usage.html

Neptune

I forgot to include the following links in my previous response to this post:

An Exploration of Predatory Behavior in Cyberspace:
Towards a Typology of Cyberstalkers
Leroy McFarlane and Paul Bocij
http://firstmonday.org/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/1076/996

This is a link to information about one of the authors of the above paper. He has written papers and books on the subject of cyberstalking:
Paul Bocij, Teaching Fellow, Aston Business School
http://www1.aston.ac.uk/aston-business-school/staff/academic/oim/mr-paul-bocij/

Cyber Stalking: A Global Menace in the Information Super Highway
By K. Jaishankar** and V. Uma Sankary ***
http://www.erces.com/journal/articles/archives/volume2/v03/v02.htm

This paper examines the methods used by one perp to avoid detection:
Cyberstalking: a case study of serial harassment in the UK
Paul Bocij, Helen Bocij, Leroy McFarlane
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=1928166&show=abstract

 

[snapdragon2]

What is a faraday bag?

 

[scandi]

Whenever Suffolk homicide is real serious about a case, they hand over the remains to the NYPD ME's office (because Suffolk doesn't have state of the art resources, training or equipment). This is what they did with each of the GB4's remains. Hopefully they did the same for SG (however no mention has been made that they did). The NYPD ME's mobile van was on the scene for some of the days that they searched for SG. Not sure if they were there the day she was found.

Thanks Seaslug, Reading up on the NYPD ME's office I didn't realize how prominent they are in the use of Forensic Anthropology/the study of bones:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/ocme/html/anthro/anthropology.shtml

Snippet
" . . . . The OCME-NYC is the largest Medical Examiner’s Office in the United States, responsible for cases in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, and Staten Island. Due to NYC’s high volume of cases, and particularly in light of the complex investigations associated with the 9/11 World Trade Center disaster, the OCME has developed the largest dedicated staff of forensic anthropologists in a medical examiners office.

I assume OCME-NYC is the same office you are referring to Seaslug. I would bet if there is anything to learn from those bones, they will discover it.

 

[scandi]

What is a faraday bag?

http://faraday-bags.com/

Evidence bags for different uses. Some are see-thru which would be better than the 'ole yellow paper bag. IMO

 

[Dwntwnslim]

The conductive properties of the Faraday bag prevent the electronic device that is put in the bag from leaking information that could be used to pinpoint it's location. These properties also protect electronic devices and computers from possible remote hacking/cracking. People who zealously guard their privacy love Faraday stuff (like survivalists). They are also used by LE and by the computer/IT/tech/science community.

Here are some more links that explain the Faraday concept:

National High Magnetic Field Laboratory
http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/education/tutorials/tools/faradaycage.html

Discover Magazine
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2009/04/24/lost-faraday-cages/

Advances in Army Shelter Technology for Protection of Electronics Systems
http://ammtiac.alionscience.com/ammt/iacdocs.do?45539-031

 

[Claudette]

So...it would be very weird if faraday bags were used. That really narrows things down to people that can get that right, I'm assuming that most people don't know about them and that they aren't something you can just pick up from the local hardware store? Does it resemble burlap or can it?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I have a very strong feeling that it is very possible that our SK has left Long Island and has been on a road trip. First through Detroit and now Oklahoma!



Source

Matilda and I both had similar thoughts, Seaslug. But we posted them in the rumors thread, since we're really going to mess ourselves up if we stick every suspicious murder of an escort in the main threads.

Sure does make one wonder, though...doesn't it? :waitasec:

 

[svpernin]

http://farmingdale.patch.com/articles/dead-body-found-at-tobay-beach

This likely unrelated and may not even be a homicide but I figured I would post it due to the location of the body (Tobay Beach). I'll keep an eye out for more details.

RIP, whoever you are.

Police and paramedics responded to the site off Ocean Parkway and confirmed the victim had died. Police said they are in the early stages of the investigation, but believe the body is not tied to the string of homicides at nearby Gilgo Beach.

 

[SherlockHomes]

Wow! I bet we will never hear anything more about this body!

In light of the shooting in seaford I noticed the officer killed was named Capano, and that brought me back to FB comments on Anne Marie Fahey's memorial page. Thomas Capano recently died in jail. But what is the connection of the Capano's to the AC/LI murders? Or what is the killer trying to imply....anyone?

 

[Clem Snide]

http://farmingdale.patch.com/articles/dead-body-found-at-tobay-beach

This likely unrelated and may not even be a homicide but I figured I would post it due to the location of the body (Tobay Beach). I'll keep an eye out for more details.

RIP, whoever you are.

Perhaps he drowed in a marsh while trying to make it to the roadway?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

So...it would be very weird if faraday bags were used. That really narrows things down to people that can get that right, I'm assuming that most people don't know about them and that they aren't something you can just pick up from the local hardware store? Does it resemble burlap or can it?

Faraday bags, cages, tents etc. all can be bought over the internet. I'm not sure how much the average person would know about Faraday bags but, I'm average and I know about them.

No, they don't resemble burlap. Scandi posted a link up above that takes you to a page with pictures of Faraday bags. I don't see why a person wouldn't be able to put a Faraday bag inside of a burlap sack. Faraday bags don't provide thermal camouflage, however.

I hope this helps.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

The reports contained in this blotter were mostly mundane but, there are some incidences that are quite interesting. The following is a list of some of the things that jumped out at me:

May 16, 2010: 8:22 pm - Possible Drug Overdose.
June 5, 2010: 1:51pm – Unknown person hacks into an email account.
June 13, 2010: 1:30 pm – Unknown person nails dead snake to wooden railing of someones home.
June 15, 2010: 9:34 pm – Person becomes suicidal.
http://www.fireislandnews.info/police-blotter-mainmenu-71

January 24, 2010: 7:45 pm – Homeowner receives unusually high power bill. Concerned someone was staying at their home without permission.
January 26, 2010: 8:55 pm – Another homeowner calls to complain about high power bill & requests a house check.
February 24, 2010: 6:10 pm – Suspicious man in the bushes.
April 21, 2010: 9:24 pm – Person came home to an “on” TV - house was supposed to be unoccupied.
http://www.fireislandnews.info/police-blotter-mainmenu-71?start=14

June 29, 2009: 11:38 pm – Report of someone screaming.
There are other interesting incidences reported on this page.
http://www.fireislandnews.info/police-blotter-mainmenu-71?start=16

July 7, 2007: 10:10 am – Reported larceny of 2 back cushions from a sofa & 1 throw pillow.
There are other interesting incidences reported on this page.
http://www.fireislandnews.info/poli...beach-blotter-missing-cushions-found-a-hookah

May 30, 2010: 2:50pm – Reports of a woman running down a road yelling for help.
http://www.fireislandnews.info/poli...3-ocean-beach-pd-bar-fights-and-blaring-beats

Here is the link to the police blotter main page:
http://www.fireislandnews.info/police-blotter-mainmenu-71


I can't wait to see everyone's thoughts and opinions about what's in this blotter.

 

[the quiet girl]

I have never found anything that backed up the claim that possibly 5/6 years ago a women escaped from Oak Beach Area after men tried to grab her. I chuck it up to rumor or someone trying to plant info in our heads unconsciously. It was stated a few times last month on the LISK site and mentioned here also as an interest.
I mention this because that is great police blotter info, have you come across this at all btw?

 

[Redbird]

I have never found anything that backed up the claim that possibly 5/6 years ago a women escaped from Oak Beach Area after men tried to grab her. I chuck it up to rumor or someone trying to plant info in our heads unconsciously. It was stated a few times last month on the LISK site and mentioned here also as an interest.
I mention this because that is great police blotter info, have you come across this at all btw?

It was mentioned in the Schwartz Report, which is a forum for Long Island LE so I tend to believe it is true. When I have time I will try to find the quote.

 

[PickleChris]

Faraday bags, cages, tents etc. all can be bought over the internet. I'm not sure how much the average person would know about Faraday bags but, I'm average and I know about them.

No, they don't resemble burlap. Scandi posted a link up above that takes you to a page with pictures of Faraday bags. I don't see why a person wouldn't be able to put a Faraday bag inside of a burlap sack. Faraday bags don't provide thermal camouflage, however.

I hope this helps.

You also get small ones when you order an "ezpass" for ease of toll booths. They are very simple to make at home and various computer components are packaged in these. Although most are RFID/static resistant, Not sure about it blocking GSM/CDMA signals (IMO they will not) - I can test that theory with the over the counter/product package bags later today. -> If he put a device in a bag, that still means the battery would die if left on. So minimal 'taunting' could be done with family members. I would assume a cell device was shut off to avoid tower pings, a faraway blocking signals would be a secondary precaution.

http://inventorspot.com/articles/spy_technology_how_disable_a_cell_phone_15035

 

[Sillybilly]

It was mentioned in the Schwartz Report, which is a forum for Long Island LE so I tend to believe it is true. When I have time I will try to find the quote.

IIRC, it was Fluke who mentioned that old incident on LISK and said if anyone looked, they could find the info. Whenever any of the other posters asked for any identifying information (i.e. name, date, etc) that would aid in a search for the info, Fluke never did provide anything helpful. Seems to be a claim that he is either unable or unwilling to substantiate for whatever reasons.

 

[Redbird]

I am reading through the Schwartz Report right now trying to find it. I know I read about it in the very beginning of the case, before the Lisk sight was established. Right now I am reading about how it actually took them until 9:00 AM to start searching for SG on May 1. Dormer still claims they were looking for her within 30 minutes, I believe.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

You also get small ones when you order an "ezpass" for ease of toll booths. They are very simple to make at home and various computer components are packaged in these. Although most are RFID/static resistant, Not sure about it blocking GSM/CDMA signals (IMO they will not) - I can test that theory with the over the counter/product package bags later today. -> If he put a device in a bag, that still means the battery would die if left on. So minimal 'taunting' could be done with family members. I would assume a cell device was shut off to avoid tower pings, a faraway blocking signals would be a secondary precaution.

http://inventorspot.com/articles/spy_technology_how_disable_a_cell_phone_15035

Thanks for the info and the above link.

The perp could of used anti-static bags, as described in your post, too or instead of Faraday bags.

Faraday bags (and other Faraday equipment) are different from anti-static bags/anti-static fabric. Faraday bags etc. are active. They have conductive properties and need to have a power source, if I'm not mistaken (I will research and confirm).

They advantage that Faraday bags would have anti-static bags is that devices can be turned on and used while they are within them. For instance, if they perp hacked/cracked, cloned and/or otherwise used Ms. Barthelemy's phone, he might have used the Faraday bags to keep the phone's signal from being traced when it was turned on, while he was using it.

Since I've been researching the possibility that the perp is a hacker/cracker and maybe a "penetration tester", I'm thinking I might want to invest in Faraday equipment and anti-static bags myself!


*Here's a link to information about "penetration testing" in case you or anyone else were wondering about what it is:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test"]Penetration test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]