NY-Long Island-4 bodies on Beach-Possible Serial Killer-Dec 2010 #2

[goathairjones]

Not Among Beach Victims - USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-05-beach-victims_N.htm

 

[Claudette]

I want to add something to the bi-polar discussion.

It is very possible that she didn't medicate. I know someone who has this problem and refuses meds even though they help. In Vegas, New Years Eve weekend a few years ago, he got really POed about something that I don't even remember and ran off for HOURS. Literally at least 4 hours - in Vegas at night. NYE weekend. Everyone was flipping out because this person was being so incredibly irrational and we were afraid he was going to hurt himself or someone else. I am not trying to say that SGs reaction is unimportant because it is SO important. I'm just trying to find another explanation behind her seemingly strange and erratic behavior. The reason I think this may be a possibility is that she ran from GC's house which was a safe place and this doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Sistah Sleuth]

I don't believe that the FBI is not involved with this case. That is total BS and probably planted information.

 

[Reannan]

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Wait....what? She was pulled into a truck? Am I the only one that has never heard this before? I can't imagine a witness' mix up of an SUV and a truck when it comes to the last moments of a missing person, they look so different, even in front.

I remember reading that in the media early on in the case. For some reason it set off alarm bells of bad reporting to me when I read it, and that is what I chalked it up to! :crazy: I wish reporters were as careful as we try to be about backing up what we hear/say.

 

[goathairjones]

I don't think the FBI would get involved unless there was concrete proof that the killing was crossing state lines. I think it is pretty clear that all of the killing is being done on Long Island. Is that an accurate statement?

 

[Reannan]

Hey, if you don't mind, I can't find any info about the earring in MSM. Can you help me find it?

"A couple of weeks later, her sisters, Sarra and Sherre Gilbert, traveled from upstate Ellenville to Oak Beach. They spoke to neighbors, walked along the roads, and spoke with Brewer. Just before leaving, Sarra said she reached down on the ground and found an earring that had fallen from her sister's ear."

The quote about the earring is from a newsday.com report that I do not have access to, but the site I am linking below is a site that has quoted numerous articles - it is sort of like WebSleuths. Just go to your "Edit" button on top of your browser and search for 'earring' and you can skip right down to the entire article. The site I am linking is great because the summary it offers is like a peep into how rumors start and how reports get skewed in a case like this.

http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=10497.0

 

[Reannan]

I don't think the FBI would get involved unless there was concrete proof that the killing was crossing state lines. I think it is pretty clear that all of the killing is being done on Long Island. Is that an accurate statement?

I think all of the bodies that have been found on Long Island have been killed on Long Island, but if you link those murders to the Atlantic City murders, we have a much larger problem on our hands.

 

[Chanler]

the only way it wouldn't be factual is if the media got it mixed up. i doubt it though. the family said that:

""Her last phone call was 21 minutes to 911, when she was grabbed and pulled into a truck, the police missed her by about 5," said Mari Gilbert, Shannon's mother.

"She was basically running away, trying to leave, and it was her going 'get away from me, get away from me', running and knocking on neighbor's doors," said Sherre Gilberg, Shannon's sister.

"Screaming, 'help me, help me, he's trying to kill me," Mari Gilbert said.

Gilbert's family did not hear the 911 calls themselves, but say detectives told them about it and that Shannon, who was working as a prostitute, named her attacker."

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/northern_suburbs&id=7843812

"Shannon Gilbert's family believe police know the identity of the man she was running from on that night 8 months ago, and now hope that the 911 call will help solve this case."

i doubt that this is a mistake by the media. abc news is a good channel. the family is counting on the 911 call to help solve shannon's case. they state that, the context of the paragraphs regarding the 911 call all make sense. the whole article is a good one.

she named her attacker, she ran from a truck, well was the truck the suv the asian driver had or jb...?
imo, the 911 call is very important and thats why its not been released, le could make a ton of money selling that to the media, yet they won't release it.
there's importance in that 911 call. between that and the odd way the driver was "looking" for shannon. gc mentions it himself in that video. the driver crawled up, stopped, door opens, looks around, repeat pattern. it's not like he was calling out for shannon. gc actually had to stop the driver and ask if he could help him.

Hi, ChemCopOut, thanks so much for this clip and your paraphrase.

Several points:
Selling the 911 call to the media would be illegal in New York.

We have to be somewhat cautious; the family has not heard the tape; they are paraphrasing what they remember the police told, probably from several months ago. They are also doing what all human do in processing a story again and again; we make a narrative of what we hear.

The mother says that the 911 phone call was 23 minutes, when every other account I have seen, including the ABC story itself says 21 minutes. To me, she seems quite understandably stressed on the video.

She didn't "name her attacker"; she named the person who she said wanted to kill her.

The family says that the man named is not the john of whom people here and elsewhere have been so suspicious.

The family says that Shannan "knew the man". I haven't heard that the driver and Shannan were previously acquainted.

The driver's stealthiness is, as I said, highly questionable. He was quickly identified after the incident.

 

[Chanler]

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Her mental state and history probably are relevant. To what degree.....I'm not sure though. Under other circumstances.....I would probably put a lot of weight into her mental status but the fact that she was in EXTREMELY close proximity, scared out of her ever loving mind, apparently, in an area where 8 bodies would soon be discovered pretty well assures me (and makes up my mind) that Shannan wasn't just hallucinating & "imagining things" that night. Her fear was real and justified. Maybe she was on drugs but I think she still had just enough reality about her that she KNEW she was in danger. I'd be real surprised if she's found alive.

Mahmoo, thanks; that's really well stated. I think that you're right, being a prostitute without protection, especially if you're strung out on meds, drugs, or mental illness, must be utterly terrifying. She might have been threatened or attacked before; or she could be suffering from cumulative anxiety and/or drugs or the absence of drugs.

 

[mahmoo]

Admittedly, I haven't checked the stats myself but....I'm wondering.....is it "typical" that the johns are doing drugs themselves and drinking also when they hook up with call girls? There's probably not any john type people here but still......I'm curious.

 

[Soulmagent]

Was the AC serial killer ever caught?

I don't think the FBI would get involved unless there was concrete proof that the killing was crossing state lines. I think it is pretty clear that all of the killing is being done on Long Island. Is that an accurate statement?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate

The FBI would have jurisdiction on this case ,even if it does turn out the AC murders are unrelated.

From the link this case falls under numbers 1 ,3 and 6 on things they have jurisdiction on.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Thank you Reannan. I'm specifically looking for where it says the earring was found on the road. I've not seen that yet.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/missing-woman-s-kin-cop-response-not-quick-1.2546076?qr=1

A couple of weeks later, her sisters, Sarra and Sherre Gilbert, traveled from upstate Ellenville to Oak Beach. They spoke to neighbors, walked along the roads, and spoke with Brewer. Just before leaving, Sarra said she reached down on the ground and found an earring that had fallen from her sister's ear.

They walked the roads, but this does not say that's where the earring was found.

 

[snapdragon2]

Snipped by me

thanks for the additional Fire Island info. I wasn't sure if the media made this mistake, or shannan just got some wrong info...
Lots of prostitutes go to Fire Island, however. You just don't see them hanging out trying to get picked up. In fact, they are pretty well-hidden because instead of taking the ferry, most of the time they take a water-taxi. They're called in by the party animals who hang out in their houses/rented houses.

welcome to the board! :seeya:

Hi! I'm sure prostitutes can and do go anywhere, and they could very well go to Fire Island as well, and probably have. But my point is that Fire Island doesn't really have the kind of crowd that would typically hire a prostitute to come all the way out there and take a water taxi. The "party animals" who hang out in their rented houses are frat boy types - they are in share houses and wouldn't be likely to have the kind of money you'd need - even the water taxi is expensive- around $150 each way. Besides, it's pretty easy for those guys to get laid in the bars. Much of Fire Island is family oriented, and two of the communities are gay (I could see male escorts coming in to the Pines if any, because there are some wealthy people and big houses there, but that is not typical of Fire Island.) The rest is people who can't afford the Hamptons or don't like the Hamptons vibe. I'm trying to convey that it isn't some kind of playground for the rich - not at all - because a few posts that I read seemed to think it was like that.

 

[Reannan]

I have found someone who has posted on one of the call girl review sites the following comment:

"...I got started in Atlantic City, I was brought to a place by a foot taxi off the boardwalk. Best place I ever went to, hottest young things in there! All of the girls in there early 20's at best. Not cheap but perfect. Never found one like it on Long Island, but half the fun is in the search."

The above post was from 1/15/2010 in a thread about "What happens when you get bored". Latter in the year, he is talking about a place that "hasn't been reviewed" and calls it "4400 Rte 347 in PJ." For any locals out there, what would "PJ" mean in terms of Long Island?? The guy also had postings in a thread called "170 montauk hwy in Lindenhurst" where he provides a phone number that is to an Asian massage parlor! The place is a private house and another poster went there and stated the following:

"I also didn't like the two Asian fellows sitting on the door steps out front.".

If I were LE, I would want to speak with this person because he appears to be a self-declared expert on the hooker scene in both Atlantic City and Long Island. Plus, his comments seem cryptic to me - what the heck is a "foot taxi"???? Anyways, I do not wish to invade anyone's privacy when it comes to what they are doing on the net - or in a seedy home or motel - but if it seems suspicious, I feel I have to ask you guys about what you think. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!!!

 

[scandi]

Hi, ChemCopOut, thanks so much for this clip and your paraphrase.

Several points:
Selling the 911 call to the media would be illegal in New York.

We have to be somewhat cautious; the family has not heard the tape; they are paraphrasing what they remember the police told, probably from several months ago. They are also doing what all human do in processing a story again and again; we make a narrative of what we hear.

The mother says that the 911 phone call was 23 minutes, when every other account I have seen, including the ABC story itself says 21 minutes. To me, she seems quite understandably stressed on the video.

She didn't "name her attacker"; she named the person who she said wanted to kill her.

The family says that the man named is not the john of whom people here and elsewhere have been so suspicious.

The family says that Shannan "knew the man". I haven't heard that the driver and Shannan were previously acquainted.

The driver's stealthiness is, as I said, highly questionable. He was quickly identified after the incident.

Hi there, I read somewhere that the driver was her pimp and her BF. Does anyone know where that came from, like a link? Thanks, because that info makes a big difference in Sleuthing the case.

 

[Claudette]

I have found someone who has posted on one of the call girl review sites the following comment:

"...I got started in Atlantic City, I was brought to a place by a foot taxi off the boardwalk. Best place I ever went to, hottest young things in there! All of the girls in there early 20's at best. Not cheap but perfect. Never found one like it on Long Island, but half the fun is in the search."

The above post was from 1/15/2010 in a thread about "What happens when you get bored". Latter in the year, he is talking about a place that "hasn't been reviewed" and calls it "4400 Rte 347 in PJ." For any locals out there, what would "PJ" mean in terms of Long Island?? The guy also had postings in a thread called "170 montauk hwy in Lindenhurst" where he provides a phone number that is to an Asian massage parlor! The place is a private house and another poster went there and stated the following:

"I also didn't like the two Asian fellows sitting on the door steps out front.".

If I were LE, I would want to speak with this person because he appears to be a self-declared expert on the hooker scene in both Atlantic City and Long Island. Plus, his comments seem cryptic to me - what the heck is a "foot taxi"???? Anyways, I do not wish to invade anyone's privacy when it comes to what they are doing on the net - or in a seedy home or motel - but if it seems suspicious, I feel I have to ask you guys about what you think. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!!!

I hope to god LE is looking into this. If they are not I have lost faith in LE.

I wish, just for my own curiosity, I knew why they haven't figured out who the guy is. There are way too many electronic trails to follow. Clearly, something isn't matching up between all of the girls.


ETA

The women found in AC were older right? This guy sounds like an "escort snob", only accepting the youngest and prettiest.

 

[Pinkhammer]

The foot taxi is like a rickshaw. They have had them on the boardwalk in Atlantic City for a hundred years.

 

[Pinkhammer]

LI police believe they may have found a link between the Atlantic City murders and the Gilgo Beach murders!

How odd, being that we were just discussing AC.

 

[bearschick]

PJ is Port Jefferson. Nice village with a main street on the north shore.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I have found someone who has posted on one of the call girl review sites the following comment:

"...I got started in Atlantic City, I was brought to a place by a foot taxi off the boardwalk. Best place I ever went to, hottest young things in there! All of the girls in there early 20's at best. Not cheap but perfect. Never found one like it on Long Island, but half the fun is in the search."

The above post was from 1/15/2010 in a thread about "What happens when you get bored". Latter in the year, he is talking about a place that "hasn't been reviewed" and calls it "4400 Rte 347 in PJ." For any locals out there, what would "PJ" mean in terms of Long Island?? The guy also had postings in a thread called "170 montauk hwy in Lindenhurst" where he provides a phone number that is to an Asian massage parlor! The place is a private house and another poster went there and stated the following:

"I also didn't like the two Asian fellows sitting on the door steps out front.".

If I were LE, I would want to speak with this person because he appears to be a self-declared expert on the hooker scene in both Atlantic City and Long Island. Plus, his comments seem cryptic to me - what the heck is a "foot taxi"???? Anyways, I do not wish to invade anyone's privacy when it comes to what they are doing on the net - or in a seedy home or motel - but if it seems suspicious, I feel I have to ask you guys about what you think. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!!!

PJ - Port Jefferson

The village of Port Jeff is very nice. Interestingly enough, the only time I have ever seen a prostitute for sure on Long Island was in Port Jeff, at night. It's actually a very nice village with restaurants and bars and nice shops on the water.

Massage parlors get busted often for prostitution, everywhere.