Identified! NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

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Susikatze said:
Baby was probably adopted out after Patricia was killed, again, no trace of him.
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I really wonder about this. You'd think they'd be able to locate a birth certificate for her child with her listed as the mother...unless she gave birth under a false name, which wasn't too uncommon back then.
 
  • #763
Susikatze said:
Wow. Same patterns repeating. Patricias father was a con man and bigamist who groomed a much younger woman, impregnated her and married her while being married to another woman with whom he had a son. That half brother moved in with Patricia and her mom and later also became a con man living under false names using fake degrees. And Patricia was groomed in her teens again by a much older con man who also went under an alias, got her pregnant and married her. Baby was probably adopted out after Patricia was killed, again, no trace of him.
What a story
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Patricia's own mother, Patricia Gilligan, forged her signature when applying to get her daughter's money that she inherited from her father. So much deception here. I feel bad for Patricia.
 
  • #764
So this Donald Grant per the Rolling Stone article was indeed an alias. Who was he? And where did he go? She changed schools in December 1968. She was married to "Donald Grant" in early May 1969. She was dead by the end of 1969.
I believe (jmo) the person who married her under the alias probably intended to kill her before they were even married, but it's pure speculation, and right now, we still don't know who he was. I'm hoping we find out, though, because my recollection is they did find a male hair. Looking, and the article does mention it, it's possibly a male hair from the rug.

Who is "Donald Grant"??
 
  • #765
"Donald Grant" probably changed his name again and died under (another) false name, like Patricia's half brother. Who knows how close 1937 was to his real birthdate, but it was obviously close enough that he could get away with using it as a birthdate. He's more than likely deceased, though of course you never know. Obviously, it's a common name so if he is still living, and he's still using that name, which is rather unlikely, he'd be hard to find.

It's unfortunate Patricia's mother didn't try to follow up with her daughter, or report her missing, after she stopped hearing from her, instead of just assuming she was busy being a new wife and mother, or busy with a new life, if "Donald Grant" said she dumped him and ran off or something (a very commom story in such situations). Patricia's mother may have taken offense to not hearing from her and maybe that had something to do with why she decided to help herself to her daughter's money. Or maybe she was just not a very good person, as her step son alleged, and saw an opportunity with her daughter not in the picture; maybe both. She may also have taken offense to her daughter's lifestyle, as she described her as an addict and thought she'd just misuse her inheritance. Anyway, it doesn't seem to have occurred to her mother that Patricia could be dead (through murder anyway), but that isn't clear from currently public information. Patricia's mother obviously had her own issues. Perhaps "Donald Grant" just moved away with no word to Patricia's mother and her mother honestly had no idea where to find her, if she was in no phone book, etc. Still, that doesn't justify Patricia's mother's taking her inheritance.

Yes, definitely a very sad story. Perhaps genetic genealogy can find "Donald Grant" or he can be found through other means. But if he's long dead and nobody living knows anything about his time with Patricia, who knows how much of her story will ever be known.
 
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summergirl1 said:
"Donald Grant" probably changed his name again and died under (another) false name, like Patricia's half brother. Who knows how close 1937 was to his real birthdate, but it was obviously close enough that he could get away with using it as a birthdate. He's more than likely deceased, though of course you never know. Obviously, it's a common name so if he is still living, and he's still using that name, which is rather unlikely, he'd be hard to find.

It's unfortunate Patricia's mother didn't try to follow up with her daughter, or report her missing, after she stopped hearing from her, instead of just assuming she was busy being a new wife and mother, or busy with a new life, if "Donald Grant" said she dumped him and ran off or something (a very commom story in such situations). Patricia's mother may have taken offense to not hearing from her and maybe that had something to do with why she decided to help herself to her daughter's money. Or maybe she was just not a very good person, as her step son alleged, and saw an opportunity with her daughter not in the picture; maybe both. She may also have taken offense to her daughter's lifestyle, as she described her as an addict and thought she'd just misuse her inheritance. Anyway, it likely never occurred to her mother that Patricia could be dead, but that isn't clear from currently public information. Patricia's mother obviously had her own issues.

Yes, definitely a very sad story. Perhaps genetic genealogy can find "Donald Grant" or he can be found through other means. But if he's long dead and nobody living knows anything about his time with Patricia, who knows how much of her story will ever be known.
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I wonder if "Donald Grant" had described Patricia to the mother as an "addict." Addicts OD, so that would be interesting if he did. I doubt we'll find out, but it's something to consider.
 
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snooptroop88 said:
I believe (jmo) the person who married her under the alias probably intended to kill her before they were even married
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What would the motive have been? MOO.
 
  • #768
lightofmine99 said:
What would the motive have been? MOO.
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Well, ok, things like money and jealousy/revenge don't spring into my mind with hogtying and encasement in concrete, jmo. Unless it's the mob, I know they're "into" the terrorize and degrade aspects to get their "message" across. I suppose the hogtying could have had some logistical advantage for the murderer, meaning it made the poor victim easier to transport, but still, this is an icy cold person used to killing, moo. This wasn't some act of passion, jmo, like someone insisting he was deeply in love, jilted, who went bananas, "heat of the moment" type thing (which is no less of a horror because the victim is no less dead). This is someone very cold, very calculating, intelligent, methodical, merciless. He knows how important it is to make that body "go away," and I mean really go away, and for decades. I read all about the family, yes, I see there's a hornet's nest there, and the father was dead by the time this happened, right? I think the family played a role in that they made this victim extremely attractive to this murderer, knowing he could ply, manipulate, and calculate her literally into an early grave with relaitve ease. I don't think this is someone you'd usually expect to see listed in a phone directory, I can see how that happened only with an alias. That girl was way, way too young to get wrapped up with a a man of that age to begin with. This guy's slick, he's cunning, and he puts on quite the act. I'm guessing he for the time came off as quite the catch in his own way. There are a lot of unknowns here because it's so long ago, but I'm guessing "Donald Grant" had several important pieces of "information" for the mother that were bold-faced lies. If the child was ever born, which I doubt, I would be extremely alarmed at the fate of that child at the hands of Mr. Alias Donald Grant.

The motive is he's full, full of hate, drawn to very, very young girls/has deep-rooted psych issues, and has figured out how to "express himself" in this manner without detection. It might be the mob, but I doubt it, they wouldn't go to the amount of trouble this guy went to, and to murder a girl of this age. I think that's a solo actor, I don't think it's the first time he killed and I'm sure it wasn't the last. It was undoubtedly the last time he was "Donald Grant," though. Also, I think this half-brother doled out too much info to be this guy, jmo. No way to know right now what happened, but my guess is this is an extremely calculating individual who kept right on killing. He likes it, he's a twisted individual with an axe in his head to grind. Was money a motive? Maybe played a role but this girl's background in no way screams "money," so if it had a role, it was a peripheral one, again, jmo. The way there are no pictures of her is bizarre to me, but is it possible the class photos didn't actually list names? I believe I've seen class photos from this era where the names of the individual students aren't listed. The lack of pics is odd, but I think that may have gone with the "shady" territory the family had maneuvered themselves into. And back in this era, it was nothing like it is now with photos, you couldn't take snaps on your phone & computer. You had to have a camera, you had to get the pics developed, a lot of people went to have portraits done with professional photographers. I wouldn't necessarily think they were planning to murder her all along. Again, though, at this stage, still too many unanswered questions to know, but right now, I think the bulk of those questions are answered only by knowing more about "Donald Grant."
 
  • #769
An image from the Rolling Stone article provides us with the name of the second cousin who was murdered in the 9/11 attacks: Patricia Kuras, of Staten Island.
 
  • #770
snooptroop88 said:
So this Donald Grant per the Rolling Stone article was indeed an alias. Who was he? And where did he go? She changed schools in December 1968. She was married to "Donald Grant" in early May 1969. She was dead by the end of 1969.
I believe (jmo) the person who married her under the alias probably intended to kill her before they were even married, but it's pure speculation, and right now, we still don't know who he was. I'm hoping we find out, though, because my recollection is they did find a male hair. Looking, and the article does mention it, it's possibly a male hair from the rug.

Who is "Donald Grant"??
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I don't think "Donald Grant" intended to kill Patricia before marrying her, but maybe started to consider it when the marriage inevitably started to collapse.
 
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HmmMysterious said:
I don't think "Donald Grant" intended to kill Patricia before marrying her, but maybe started to consider it when the marriage inevitably started to collapse.
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Maybe she was not as malleable and obedient as he wanted her to be - very common pattern in marriages of a very young woman to a much older man. Maybe she wanted to leave, maybe she wanted to go back to school and he was not happy about it.
 
  • #772
I just keep hoping on this because they may have his hair. That's huge. Maybe we'll actually get some information, maybe even something close to a definitive answer. I'm just hoping that's really "Donald Grant's" hair.

Also, how come they never mention the "glittery" piece of clothing anymore? There was originally something "glittery" found with her remains, right? Scrolling back up, but I'm sure I saw that at some point. Yep, it's in here towards the beginning:
  • Other: Probably of Irish descent... scraps of glittery clothing were also recovered at the scene
 
  • #773
snooptroop88 said:
I just keep hoping on this because they may have his hair. That's huge. Maybe we'll actually get some information, maybe even something close to a definitive answer. I'm just hoping that's really "Donald Grant's" hair.

Also, how come they never mention the "glittery" piece of clothing anymore? There was originally something "glittery" found with her remains, right? Scrolling back up, but I'm sure I saw that at some point. Yep, it's in here towards the beginning:
  • Other: Probably of Irish descent... scraps of glittery clothing were also recovered at the scene
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From the Rolling Stone article, dated 12/1/24:
"The girl wore a size 32A bra, clear pantyhose, and a glittery frock."

www.rollingstone.com

Unraveling the 50-Year Mystery of the Body in the Basement

The Scene was the hottest club in New York. After it closed, a teen girl’s remains were discovered inside, leaving authorities with a puzzle to solve.
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
 
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azure said:
From the Rolling Stone article, dated 12/1/24:
"The girl wore a size 32A bra, clear pantyhose, and a glittery frock."

www.rollingstone.com

Unraveling the 50-Year Mystery of the Body in the Basement

The Scene was the hottest club in New York. After it closed, a teen girl’s remains were discovered inside, leaving authorities with a puzzle to solve.
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com
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Much thanks on this! The article's behind a paywall for me now. Oh, thank you! I can get back into it here.
 
  • #775
snooptroop88 said:
I just keep hoping on this because they may have his hair. That's huge. Maybe we'll actually get some information, maybe even something close to a definitive answer. I'm just hoping that's really "Donald Grant's" hair.

Also, how come they never mention the "glittery" piece of clothing anymore? There was originally something "glittery" found with her remains, right? Scrolling back up, but I'm sure I saw that at some point. Yep, it's in here towards the beginning:
  • Other: Probably of Irish descent... scraps of glittery clothing were also recovered at the scene
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I must have totally missed this, but what is this about maybe having Donald Grant’s hair? What is the source for that? Thank you ☺️
 
  • #776
I've seen it before, but it's in the Rolling Stone article here, too:

She’d been bundled up in a rust-colored rug, and at some point, cement was poured on top of her. The girl wore a size 32A bra, clear pantyhose, and a glittery frock. They recovered a ring with the initials “P Mc G,” a Bulova watch issued in 1966, a dime dated 1969, and a plastic toy soldier. And there was DNA from an unknown source — possibly a white male — from a hair found in the rug.

There's no telling if it's his as of yet, but I am really hoping so, and it would seem at least quite possible that it is. Maybe even likely that it is, considering the murderer has to be the one that wrapped her in that rug.
 
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snooptroop88 said:
I've seen it before, but it's in the Rolling Stone article here, too:

She’d been bundled up in a rust-colored rug, and at some point, cement was poured on top of her. The girl wore a size 32A bra, clear pantyhose, and a glittery frock. They recovered a ring with the initials “P Mc G,” a Bulova watch issued in 1966, a dime dated 1969, and a plastic toy soldier. And there was DNA from an unknown source — possibly a white male — from a hair found in the rug.

There's no telling if it's his as of yet, but I am really hoping so, and it would seem at least quite possible that it is. Maybe even likely that it is, considering the murderer has to be the one that wrapped her in that rug.
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Thank you! That article was so long that I somehow couldn’t recall that part. I really hope that hair can give some answers.
 
  • #778
As far as pictures of Patricia go, her mother must have had some. Who knows what happened to them when her mother died. They have been tossed. It's interesting her mother's family apparently has no photo of her, or no unidentified ones, anyway. Sometimes names didn't get written on old photos and younger generations don't know who is who in photos of older and deceased relatives. There are many old unidentified (and identified) photos on online that end up for sale on Ebay or also on Facebook groups trying to reunite them with distant family members. Photos of Patricia would be more recent by the standards of such photos, though. Old photos and genealogy are another of my interests.

It's interesting "Donald Grant" was a musician. That and where she was found are among the more unusual aspects of Patricia's story. Maybe there's someone out there that remembers a musician who might have been "Donald Grant".
 
  • #779
McGlone's DNA was connected to the mother of a 9/11 victim last month when Glas spoke to a woman in Florida. While speaking to the woman, who is on McGlone's mother's side of the family, she told the detective to talk to her nephew. The nephew told Glas that his mother submitted a DNA swab to the New York City medical examiner after his sister died on 9/11, according to Glas.

Relatives of missing people submitted their DNA to help identify unknown victims after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center. Glas said he received the nephew's mother's genetic information from the medical examiner's office and confirmed she and McGlone were cousins
www.usatoday.com

Mystery of 'Midtown Jane Doe' solved after 55 years as NYC cops ID teen murder victim

Patricia McGlone has been identified as a 16-year-old girl who was murdered in 1969 and encased in concreate in the basement of a Manhattan building.
www.usatoday.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863293235768197175
 
  • #780
Cynichick said:
There's a new feature story on Patricia McGlone (once Manhattan/Midtown Jane Doe) published today at Rolling Stone with many more new details: Unraveling the 50-Year Mystery of the Body in the Basement
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Wow! What a story! I feel so much for this lost/forgotten soul, Patricia. I wonder if she was killed and the baby taken rather than being put up for adoption. So much time has passed. Most of the main characters are dead. She deserved so much better. I know some do not like using the DNA database, but I appreciate that these lost souls are getting their names back. JMO
 
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