Identified! NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

[digitective]

It's interesting the ring actually had an obvious connection to her, as those were her initials. In other cases, such as the "Lorraine Stahl" case (she was recently identified, too), even after the identification, it's not obvious why the Does were wearing certain rings. That's interesting as people look for clues in the jewelry Does were wearing, as to their identity, where they are from, etc, and sometimes it turns after they are identified that it's obvious why they were wearing certain jewelry, and other times it's not.

It's really interesting that her killer left such an obvious clue on her. That says to me that the killer:

• Was really sloppy and probably not very experienced at committing crimes or
• Was very shook / upset and forgot about the ring, possibly indicating he was someone close to her or
• Wanted people to know who she was if she was found, perhaps indicating that it was a Mafia hit to send a message

 

[digitective]

I'm wondering how a 16 year old could be at that club, I'm seeing the owner pretty strictly controlled admission, and it was a pretty exclusive type of place, Hendrix and Pink Floyd played there, really huge acts. Yes, I know minors can get into these clubs in some cases, but she'd have to be a pretty mature looking 16, I would think.

Agree that she might just have looked older and got in that way. Although, unfortunately and disgustingly, many older rockstars in the '60s had relationships with teenagers and it was very normalized. So I don't think it would be rare for a 16-year-old to be in a '60s rock club. Especially if her boyfriend / husband / baby daddy was a musician, like this article says he claimed to be...the talent can usually bring in whoever they want.

 

[digitective]

While we know now who Patricia is, we still really don't know the date-- even approximate-- of death, right? I've been assuming 1969, but really, that's not necessarily a given. I'm still positive that has to be an SK. Angry boyfriends and pimps would dump a body in a field and get out of town, not encase it in concrete-- although anything is possible....The thing is, though, do we really think a murderer came back pouring concrete in a club that was still active and operational? This had to have been after it closed its doors in 1969. And there are apartments up above that club, maybe they were in some way involved. The concrete is where it gets very strange, and RH would know how to do this, Rifkin probably would through landscaping, but I can't picture these others mentioned actually pouring concrete.

All we know is Patricia got married in in May 1969, so she was definitely alive then. Patricia's mother Pat said Patricia's baby was born around August 1969 and that's also around when Pat saw Patricia last. August 1969 is also when The Scene closed down. (All according to this article.) So I'd guess Patricia died in or soon after August 1969 and someone who had access to the club buried her in the concrete there after it was closed.

It could have been someone who worked there at some point or a musician who performed there and had a key / knew how to get in. Patricia's husband / baby daddy said he was a musician on their marriage record, so it could have been him. Or it could have been a Mafia associate who knew how to break in, especially since they tended to do stuff with concrete through construction industry connections and the proverbial "concrete shoes." Maybe they did it as a way to frame the club owner and cause him trouble with LE because the owner didn't want to get involved with Mafia business.

The article makes it seem like Pat never reported Patricia missing because she tried to post as Patricia to access inheritance money that Patricia was entitled to after her father died. Patricia couldn't get the full amount until she was 21. So if Pat reported Patricia missing, it would be obvious that she was no longer alive and then Pat couldn't steal her identity to try to get the money. Sad that a mother would do that.

 

[digitective]

I'm so glad she was identified. I'm always so happy to see it.

Here's what I'm noticing...all MOO. A lot of Patricia's turning up dead, usually with strangulation involved, in the northeast around the same time. Coincidence? Probably. The manner of death for Patricia McG. and the way she was found (concrete and artifacts aside) is very similar to Patricia Newsome, found in '78 and Identified in 2023. We also have Patricia Tucker from I believe CT (or was originally), found in MA in '78 as well, also strangled (but also shot, and just dumped). All signs point to her husband (who never reported her missing either), Gerald Coleman. I'm not saying it was him, I just think the coincidences here are interesting to think about. Patricia Tucker aside, I wouldn't be surprised if Patricia McG and Patricia N were killed by the same person/people.

I think it might just be because Patricia was one of the most popular names for girls / women of that generation. It was on the top 10 list of most popular baby names for girls from 1929 - 1966. At its peak of popularity in 1951, it was the #3 baby name for girls and 3% of all American girls born that year were named Patricia!

 

[digitective]

I'll have to disagree- the husband is just too suspicious. I can't imagine what type of serial killer would go through all that hassle of digging up a basement floor and then pouring cement on their victim. <modsnip: husband is not a POI>

I'm confused about this modsnip... this article from last month says Patricia's husband is a person of interest:

But there was almost nothing true about Donald Grant. His name was fake. His birthdate was fake. The names of his parents, listed on the marriage certificate? There was no James Edward Grant or Carrie Elizabeth Johnson with a son named Donald born in Pittsburgh.

There was, however, a Donald Grant born on Feb. 28, 1937 — a day after Patricia’s mystery husband — who died in infancy in Ohio, not far from Pittsburgh. It’s harder to do now, but stealing a dead person’s identity and making it your own was a common trick for those looking to shed their names for all sorts of reasons — especially criminal ones.

One detail on the marriage certificate, however, could be verified. Grant listed his address at the time as 301 W. 46th St. A telephone directory from 1969 also listed a Donald Grant at this address. He wasn’t listed there the year before, or the year after. Grant also noted his occupation as “musician,” which was an interesting choice for someone who lived in the very same building as the Scene in its last year and who would vanish from the public record after the club closed. Burying a body in the wake of the club’s closure would be ample reason to flee as soon as possible.

Needless to say, the NYPD is very interested in learning more information about Donald Grant, and hearing from anyone who knows him. Grant — whoever he might be — is a person of interest in Patricia’s death.

 

[digitective]

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The 'photo' of her looks like AI to me.

Agree, the teeth are too wonky in a way that AI photos often are. So strange for someone to make a fake photo of her and put it there.

This article says, "No picture of Patricia McGlone is known to exist," which is so sad. It also talks about how they checked all her yearbooks and she's not in any of them.

 

[digitective]

Hi Erica! So glad you have posted here! I have seen a couple of your posts on other pages while doing research on this building. I believe I even quote you and pasted a link from somewhere where you mentioned about the cemented apartments. If you remember anything else please please write it here.

I actually had a couple of questions. You mention he did not speak English... Do you know if it was Spanish Polish Italian or German? About how old he was? Did he live in the building or just do the maintenance and go home.? Do you remember if he had a helper or a family?

Iam with you too I believe the super did it too and if he did not do it he had something to do with it. The super is the one that you always find in the basement and it's not suspicious. I know I grew up in the the city and as kids we used to venture to the basements of buildings my friends lived in to creep ourselves out but eventually the super would kick us out.

Anyway I also believed this happened at the time when the building was bricking and cementing the apartments. That is how they got all the cement I and it was not suspicious. I have been searching everywhere to find anything that could give info as to when the apartments were bricked and I still have not found it. The only thing I found with any indications of the cemented apartments were your quotes that they were already done in 1988.

I wonder if the police ever checked any of the bricked up apartments to see if the remainder of the rug was in one of them.. Iam sure when they were tearing down the building the rugs would of been seen.
Yay so glad you have joined us!

Seems so crazy that a NYC building would put bricks and cement up in front of apartment doors, instead of doing something with the apartments? Was it just because the building was so decrepit and full of squatters that nobody wanted to rent the apartments or buy the building?

 

[digitective]

I don't think "Donald Grant" intended to kill Patricia before marrying her, but maybe started to consider it when the marriage inevitably started to collapse.

Maybe he didn't want a baby but Patricia wanted to keep it? He apparently described himself as a musician and a baby might not fit with the rockstar lifestyle he wanted. So he could have acted like he was giving in to her wishes and married her in a shotgun wedding, then waited until she gave birth. Soon after the baby was born, he killed Patricia to get her out of the way and either killed the baby as well or gave it up for adoption.

 

[digitective]

Just collecting some musicians that performed at The Scene in 1969 around the time that Patricia went missing, in case "Donald Grant" really was a musician and maybe performed there. Or in case it sparks anyone's memories of being there for these shows and seeing Patricia.

It's interesting that The Scene expanded from only rock and roll to jazz too, at the very end before it closed down.

• Week of May 22: Jerome Richardson Quintet (Jerome Richardson, Garnett Brown, Roland Hanna, Eddy Gomez, Billy Cobham)
• Week of June 5: The Dave Liebman Trio (Dave Liebman, Jimmy Garrison, Bob Moses)
• Week of June 12: McCoys, Alice Cooper, Slim Harpo, Chicago (C T A)
• Week of June 19: McCoy Tyner Quintet (McCoy Tyner, Gary Bartz, Woody Shaw, Herbie Lewis, Freddie Waites)
• Week of June 26: Keith Jarrett Trio (Keith Jarrett, Charlie Haden, Paul Motian)
• Week of July 3: Sha-Na-Na, Raven, Dr. John & the Nite Tripper
• Week of July 17: Warren Chiasson Quartet (Warren Chiasson, Joe Farrell, Jimmy Garrison, George Brown)
• Week of July 24: Horace Arnold & The Here & New Company, featuring: Sam Rivers, Mike Lawrence, Carl Berger, Reggie Workman
• Week of July 31: Jimmy Heath Quintet (Jimmy Heath, Al Heath, Ted Dunbar, Cedar Walton, Buster Williams)
• Week of August 7: Mel Lewis Quintet (Mel Lewis, Thad Jones, Eddie Daniels, Roland Hanna, Richard Davis)

 

[snooptroop88]

It's really interesting that her killer left such an obvious clue on her. That says to me that the killer:

• Was really sloppy and probably not very experienced at committing crimes or
• Was very shook / upset and forgot about the ring, possibly indicating he was someone close to her or
• Wanted people to know who she was if she was found, perhaps indicating that it was a Mafia hit to send a message

I think the reason he left the ring is possibly it had significance of some kind known only to him and the victim at the time. JMO, I think he didn't care if he left it because he was secure in the idea that burying the victim in concrete-- he figured that was "enough," and he turned out to be right. Whoever he is, by now, he is probably deceased.

I do wonder if that's an SK, they do go to great lengths to conceal a body, and particularly if he were seen by others in her company (which clearly it seems as if he was), he'd go out of his way to take such measures. Especially in a case ike this where there's an actual association like marriage, I think the murderer would be prone to incredible measures. Gacy buried his victims in his own home and used lime to conceal odor.

MOO, I think he had access to that area by virtue of living in that building and wonder if he worked particularly for that club. If he did, my guess is that he may not have worked so much as a musician (although he probably had an interest in music), but perhaps security and/or maintenance. JMO, there's no way to know at this point.

Am waiting to get more information on the mother's role and the fate of the child if the child was born. This person married her with an alias, by virtue of the "marriage," he had tremendous reach into (and control over) the victim's life and all her personal affairs and dealings. He clearly knows how to forge and manipulate documents with his alias, so would want to know more since the parents are deceased and unable to speak for themselves in that situation. And the murderer clearly isn't going to be doing any talking, either. Still hopeful on the hair they found with the remains.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

This whole Paul Grant mess makes me think of two people.

The San Angelo John Doe out of Texas and the not-Paul Harrod. Harrod lifted the name out of Ohio, probably off a grave stone . Not really so far from Pittsburgh like the not-Paul Grant. The Texas guy filed off his own fingerprints.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Donald Grant. Sorry.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Hollyllennoco]

i wonder if Donald Grant is actually “Donald BRANT” who was involved in the 1970 murder of sue Childers and Gustavous Lee carmicheal. I don’t know if anyone remembers “Lorraine stahl” but she hung out in those type of clubs in NY. They were infamous gangsters during that time. Wonder if there’s a connection there.

 

[Lex141]

i wonder if Donald Grant is actually “Donald BRANT” who was involved in the 1970 murder of sue Childers and Gustavous Lee carmicheal. I don’t know if anyone remembers “Lorraine stahl” but she hung out in those type of clubs in NY. They were infamous gangsters during that time. Wonder if there’s a connection there.

Very interesting especially because surnames are often misspelled/misread in those old city census reports - G and B could easily be mistaken with hand written documents. if you’ve ever done ancestry you’ll know what I mean.

 

[Hollyllennoco]

Very interesting especially because surnames are often misspelled/misread in those old city census reports - G and B could easily be mistaken with hand written documents. if you’ve ever done ancestry you’ll know what I mean.

Not to mention, this court discovery says that Ronald Brant and a guy named “Jimmy” helped murder Linda sue and Carmichael, and in another post I saw, a man named Jimmy preformed at the scene 3 different times for different bands (he was a bass player) right around the time the place was about to close..

Article for Donald Brant in Richard defritas discovery…

State v. DeFreitas

State v. DeFreitas - 179 Conn. 431

law.justia.com

 

[TXDan]

i wonder if Donald Grant is actually “Donald BRANT” who was involved in the 1970 murder of sue Childers and Gustavous Lee carmicheal. I don’t know if anyone remembers “Lorraine stahl” but she hung out in those type of clubs in NY. They were infamous gangsters during that time. Wonder if there’s a connection there.

While it seems like an interesting possibility. I have my doubts due to the fact that it appears the name was stolen off of someone who died in infancy as mentioned in the Rollingstone article. I'm of the opinion it's an alias.

 

[TXDan]

I found someone who said they worked at that club during that era and I just messaged them asking if they knew of anyone who went by the name "Donald Grant" at that time. It's a long shot and I don't even know if they will reply, but I figured it was worth it.

 

[Daphne1972]

Putting her in concrete is very maffia like.

 

[Susikatze]

Putting her in concrete is very maffia like.

However, plenty of female murder victims were found encased in concrete with zero mafia or mob connection. It is a convenient way to hide a body with high probability it will never be found