Identified! NY - Manhattan, 'Midtown Jane Doe', WhtFem 16-21, 337UFNY, under concrete, ring w/ 'P McG', Feb'03 Patricia McGlone

[Captain Beck]

Welcome to Ws Captain Beck, you make a lot of sense, thanks for chiming in!

Thank you!

 

[Melt71]

If I were to guess, this is a victim who was not reported missing, possibly a runaway from the Midwest, working in the sex industry. Her death most likely was the result of an encounter with the wrong client.

Quite possible - if you read the earlier pages in this thread you will see the Midwest option has been explored there too.

 

[Captain Beck]

Quite possible - if you read the earlier pages in this thread you will see the Midwest option has been explored there too.

Yes, that´s where I got it. I think this is an interesting case.
This case might be a good candidate for forensic geneology.

BTW, I re-read the first pages and found the reference to her possibly being hogtied.

 

[Melt71]

…. I think this is an interesting case.
This case might be a good candidate for forensic geneology….

I agree. It's only very recent that NY LE have been allowed to use genetic genealogy but hopefully they will use it more in future. Here is an explanation about how they are able to bypass the state's regulations:

While many states have resorted to genetic genealogy to solve crimes, New York State regulations don't allow police departments to use private labs for genetic genealogy. After a July 2019 story in Newsday about the regulatory problem, Suffolk County queried the state Department of Health and was told that if local cops work with federal agencies like the FBI, the state restriction wouldn't apply.

Hart said that a DNA sample from Mack was uploaded by the FBI to public genetic websites. Leads were then traced by an FBI genealogist ….

(Media 28 May 2020 - www.newsday.com/long-island/genetic-genealogy-gilgo-beach-victim-1.45030386)

 

[momsof3]

Just finished reading this thread - I'm thinking maybe foster child. Foster children are generally eligible for Medicaid. But foster children have a hugely high rate of falling through the cracks when they age out (or run away).

Sadly a very high percentage of the kids of both sexes who wound up in the NYC sex trade were throwaways or otherwise estranged from their families

I think that at this point, that is the only way she will be identified. It's too bad NY takes such a strict approach to using forensic geneology. Sadly, I think there might be a better chance for local LE to reach out to a federal agency if it weren't NYC. It was very disheartening to hear the earlier responses of LE that WS posters (including the sister of a missing woman) got. My own personal work experience is there is a bit of a "we don't need the feds" mentality in NYC. It seems like it is common for one dedicated individual in a LE agency, sometimes very small department, that just can't let go of a Doe, to pull out all the stops and get forensic geneology done. I see in @Melt71's post that it was Suffolk (Long Island, not NYC). JMO and all that!!

I agree. It's only very recent that NY LE have been allowed to use genetic genealogy but hopefully they will use it more in future. Here is an explanation about how they are able to bypass the state's regulations:

While many states have resorted to genetic genealogy to solve crimes, New York State regulations don't allow police departments to use private labs for genetic genealogy. After a July 2019 story in Newsday about the regulatory problem, Suffolk County queried the state Department of Health and was told that if local cops work with federal agencies like the FBI, the state restriction wouldn't apply.

Hart said that a DNA sample from Mack was uploaded by the FBI to public genetic websites. Leads were then traced by an FBI genealogist ….

(Media 28 May 2020 - www.newsday.com/long-island/genetic-genealogy-gilgo-beach-victim-1.45030386)

 

[CCJD]

BTW, I re-read the first pages and found the reference to her possibly being hogtied.

Doe Network has this:
The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.
337UFNY

 

[Captain Beck]

I agree. It's only very recent that NY LE have been allowed to use genetic genealogy but hopefully they will use it more in future. Here is an explanation about how they are able to bypass the state's regulations:

While many states have resorted to genetic genealogy to solve crimes, New York State regulations don't allow police departments to use private labs for genetic genealogy. After a July 2019 story in Newsday about the regulatory problem, Suffolk County queried the state Department of Health and was told that if local cops work with federal agencies like the FBI, the state restriction wouldn't apply.

Hart said that a DNA sample from Mack was uploaded by the FBI to public genetic websites. Leads were then traced by an FBI genealogist ….

(Media 28 May 2020 - www.newsday.com/long-island/genetic-genealogy-gilgo-beach-victim-1.45030386)

That is one of the differences between my country and the US, we only have one national police authority, it´s the same in most European countries except France and Belgium (National Police and Gendarmerie), Spain (Policia Nacional, Guardia Civil and municipal police) and Germany (Federal Police and each State has its own police). So policing is a bit easier here from an organisationsl/jurisdictional point of view.

I do hope NY starts using it.

Doe Network has this:
The killer had bound her hands and feet with an extension cord and circled it around her neck, then wrapped her body in a patch of rust-colored carpet.
337UFNY

Thank you, I should have looked there again.

I don´t think this changes my hypothesis that much.

 

[Daphne1972]

Where did you find the information that she was hog tied? That is quite a specific way of tying someone up.

I also think that she was placed in the location where she was found quite close after death and the body decomposed and became skeletonised there.

If I were to guess, this is a victim who was not reported missing, possibly a runaway from the Midwest, working in the sex industry. Her death most likely was the result of an encounter with the wrong client. In my opinion, she was killed where she was found (ie in the building).
The method of disposal is unusual and indicates that the perpetrator had access to the building and the opportunity and contacts to quickly organise the pouring of the concrete slab. Apparently this was also done without attracting attention, which means that it was probably done when building work was going on in the building or nearby.

(English is not my first language so I hope I make sense.)

Cold Case NYC

 

[Manwel]

Given the reports about Midwest girls, what about Angela Marie Hammond? I feel like the facial features resemble the composite.

 

[Captain Beck]

Cold Case NYC

Thank you. I wonder if the tying up of her was pre- or post-mortem. The loop around her neck indicates pre-mortem.

Tying up a dead body is usually done to make it easier to handle or transport and that would explain tying up the arms/hands and legs/feet. A loop around her neck would not be necessary then.

 

[Fabra]

New to this forum and have spent the past few days trying to catch up on all the posts. A couple of different posters have said that they question the tag's date of late 80s, which puts the option of late 60s/70s back on the table (which I tend to agree with, taken in totality with the watch and the coin).

On a personal aside: I would have been a teenager in the late 80s and would not have worn that style of watch, nor would I have worn pantyhose--just sayin'. And gold glittery clothing seems more in line with 60s/early 70s club-type wear than the 80s, which was a lot of spandex, neon, etc. I don't recall sequins, gold mesh/fringe, or anything of that kind being very popular then.

Anyway, an early poster on this thread provided a link to a documentary about groupies from 1970 appropriately called "Groupies," lol.

The first 24 minutes or so focus on 2 "groupies"--Brenda and Diane--who hang out at Steve Paul's "The Scene"--which as we know, was in the basement of 301 W 46th. Check out what Brenda has to say about a guy who lifted her up by the throat about a foot off the ground and said "you're coming with me" (starting at about 14:23). Got me thinking about whether there was some guy who was getting rough with the girls--perhaps a bouncer or a regular? Could MJD perhaps not have been as lucky to get away? Brenda maced the guy.

Anyway, I recommend checking this out. If nothing else, it gives you an idea of what this place was like circa 1969/1970 (visual quality of this particular video is poor, though):

 

[Daphne1972]

New to this forum and have spent the past few days trying to catch up on all the posts. A couple of different posters have said that they question the tag's date of late 80s, which puts the option of late 60s/70s back on the table (which I tend to agree with, taken in totality with the watch and the coin).

On a personal aside: I would have been a teenager in the late 80s and would not have worn that style of watch, nor would I have worn pantyhose--just sayin'. And gold glittery clothing seems more in line with 60s/early 70s club-type wear than the 80s, which was a lot of spandex, neon, etc. I don't recall sequins, gold mesh/fringe, or anything of that kind being very popular then.

Anyway, an early poster on this thread provided a link to a documentary about groupies from 1970 appropriately called "Groupies," lol.

The first 24 minutes or so focus on 2 "groupies"--Brenda and Diane--who hang out at Steve Paul's "The Scene"--which as we know, was in the basement of 301 W 46th. Check out what Brenda has to say about a guy who lifted her up by the throat about a foot off the ground and said "you're coming with me" (starting at about 14:23). Got me thinking about whether there was some guy who was getting rough with the girls--perhaps a bouncer or a regular? Could MJD perhaps not have been as lucky to get away? Brenda maced the guy.

Anyway, I recommend checking this out. If nothing else, it gives you an idea of what this place was like circa 1969/1970 (visual quality of this particular video is poor, though):

On a different note, the perfect place for Rodney Alcala to find victims. I'll watch the film again to see if I recognize any of the women he photographed. Txs for reminding me of Groupies!

 

[Dylansmom08]

Ok I have been doing some digging about the ring and this is what I have found this is what is known as a "signet ring" usually worn by men of power or wealth and worn on the left pinky finger. The first initial on the left is the first name, the next one is the last name and the middle initial is placed last. I was trying to see if I could pin down a year or close proximity to the ring found on the victim but I haven't had any luck with that so far. I think it does back up the theory that this woman was once from a wealthy background but it then leaves another mystery as how she came to be wearing a wealthy mans ring.

 

[Fabra]

My gut feeling is that the ring wasn't owned by someone with a lot of means. It's described as "gold colored" or "Yellow metal" so I don't think it was actual gold...?

But such beautiful detailing of the monogramming (the dot under the Mc, which apparently signifies "Mac," vs "Mc") tells me that their name is a big source of pride for them. The monogramming couldn't have been cheap, but yet the ring doesn't seem to be intrinsically very valuable.

Just a thought, but maybe MJD was from a country where gold was hard to come by. Or maybe it was a wartime piece handed down to her that had sentimental value.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Now, this is a little gem. I found this (very sad, but informative) documentary from ca. 1976 (?). It clocks in at about 21-22 minutes and is well worth the watch.

oof. The video has been removed. I looked for it elsewhere, but nada. Referencing for future luck; it was titled Teenage Runaways on the Streets of NYC- Prostitution Minnesota Strip.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

I put Midtown Jane Doe's 3D- rendering through the artbreeder face generator, and came up with several variations of what she might've looked like. Is it me, or does she resemble a Madonna/Charlize Theron hybrid in some of them?

 

[dotr]

I put Midtown Jane Doe's 3D- rendering through the artbreeder face generator, and came up with several variations of what she might've looked like. Is it me, or does she resemble a Madonna/Charlize Theron hybrid in some of them?

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Second row, second from left, reminds me of Scarlett Johansson and Charlize T.

The Verge

ET Canada

 

[dotr]

FWIW, Charlize is of Dutch/French/German ethnicity and Scarlett J. is Jewish Polish/Russian.

 

[annemc2]

My gut feeling is that the ring wasn't owned by someone with a lot of means. It's described as "gold colored" or "Yellow metal" so I don't think it was actual gold...?

But such beautiful detailing of the monogramming (the dot under the Mc, which apparently signifies "Mac," vs "Mc") tells me that their name is a big source of pride for them. The monogramming couldn't have been cheap, but yet the ring doesn't seem to be intrinsically very valuable.

Just a thought, but maybe MJD was from a country where gold was hard to come by. Or maybe it was a wartime piece handed down to her that had sentimental value.

When I worked in the hospital we'd have to describe jewelry in those generic terms so that the value was unspecified. Does that make sense? Like if someone came back and said that the hospital staff had lost their 24k gold link chain there would only be documentation of them coming in with a "yellow metal" necklace. It was sort of a liability issue.

I see this on a lot of the UID reports as well, probably because they cannot specify the quality of a precious metal or gem without having it appraised. And as we all know LE departments don't have the time or budget for "extras."

 

[wyn94]

Hello! I am new to the true crime/ websleuthing community. This case caught my interest a few days ago and I've been obsessively researching it since.
None of the posts I've found so far mention the model of the watch (though I may have missed it) just the brand. It took a while but I think I have it identified as a Leading Lady based on the NamUs photo. I found a few of different years listed for this particular version: 1966 - 1968. I assume they confirmed the year it was made through the date code on the back. I know this isn't particularly important information, but I couldn't let it go and I figured I would put it here in case anyone else wanted to know.
And as far as the ring, the thing I notice the most about it is how horribly beat up it is. Makes me think it is definitely an heirloom since it is unlikely that a girl of such a young age would have done that much damage to her ring already unless it was gifted to her as a child which might also explain why it was on her pinky.
And thank you everyone to everyone who has posted their findings on this thread. I'm very glad to know that so many people are working to identify her.