NY NY - Manhattan, Riverside Park, Wht/HispFem 40-65, UP17517, bike path, running clothes, Feb'18

[JSolt1210]

March 10 2023

Inside the NYC Medical Examiner's coldest unidentified persons cases

They are the faces of the victims that have been unidentified by the New York City Medical Examiner for years.

abc7ny.com

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This fanny pack was found on the remains of the woman found beneath the George Washington Bridge. The fanny pack had thousands of dollars inside.

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'Since February 2018, Dr. Angela Soler has been trying to identify a woman whose skeletal remains were found beneath the George Washington Bridge.'

"She had blunt force trauma to the torso that was consistent with a decent from a height," Soler said. "But, we don't know how, you know, how she might have descended from a height."

In other words, investigators can't figure out whether the woman jumped off the George Washington Bridge or if someone pushed her until they establish her identity.

Soler showed Eyewitness News the clothing the woman was wearing. It's been logged into evidence. They include size 12 Lululemon yoga pants, a black zip-up hoodie, black socks with a pink Under Armour logo and black Sketchers running shoes size 8.5.

She said they believe the woman was Hispanic or Caucasian, between 40 and 60 years old and was 5 foot 2 inches tall.

Soler said she was also wearing a fanny pack, which was holding two paper envelopes of cash containing thousands of dollars.''

She said the woman also had extensive dental work and they showed x-rays of the woman's teeth to some local dentists and no one recognized the work.

"You have an individual who obviously experienced something that was probably pretty horrible and that they're still not identified and back with their family, it's very sad," Soler said.

If you know anything about the identity of the people listed above, call the New York City Medical Examiner's Office at 212-447-2030.''

Thank you so much for this video! Even though I'm familiar with the area because I live like one mile away from it, it's still good to see the spot where she was found because the area changes so rapidly there. You have jogging/walking paths with open, trimmed grass on one side (like where The Little Red Lighthouse is) and dense plant growth on the other, like they show in the video.

"The fanny pack had thousands of dollars inside". Is that the first time this was disclosed? It kind of argues against a robbery. It also seems less likely this was a jogger straying off a path. Who would go for a run with that much cash on them?

Yeah this is the first I've heard about the money. The person said she had "a couple thousand" so at least $2,000 in cash? That's not something I'd have on me if I were to go for a run. But if she needed to withdraw money, I can see her putting off visiting the bank till her jog so she wouldn't have to make multiple trips out.

Assuming she was coming from the NYC side of the bridge, there are several banks nearby she could've visited. I'm not sure about the NJ (Fort Lee) side.

This is also the first that I've heard officials speculate that she may have fallen (or been pushed) from the bridge. I guess I just imagined that whatever happened took place "on the ground" and not on the bridge directly above.

I think all of this, though, just adds more questions. Regardless of whether someone killed her, or she took her own life, or even if she accidentally fell, what was that money for? Rent? Other bills? No one noticed when she failed to pay for these? The jogging clothes suggest she was from the area on a quick run. Did she live alone? No roommates, neighbors, or family noticed she didn't come back?

 

[HmmMysterious]

Has Luiza Piotrowska been mentioned yet? Age and hair color are a match, but she's 3 inches taller than the highest estimate for height. She disappeared in 2017 and Jane Doe is believed to have died that year. I would also like to point out that Lakewood, New Jersey is only about 2 hours away from Manhattan.

Age: 40 years old
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 120-125 lbs
Hair color: Brown

Missing from: Lakewood, New Jersey
DLC: July 1, 2017
Circumstances:
She was working as live in the house (a maid I assume) in New Jersey. She had contact with her family and friend in Poland thru phone calls and emails. They lost contact with her July 1st 2017.

 

[JSolt1210]

Has Luiza Piotrowska been mentioned yet? Age and hair color are a match, but she's 3 inches taller than the highest estimate for height. She disappeared in 2017 and Jane Doe is believed to have died that year. I would also like to point out that Lakewood, New Jersey is only about 2 hours away from Manhattan.

Age: 40 years old
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 120-125 lbs
Hair color: Brown

Missing from: Lakewood, New Jersey
DLC: July 1, 2017
Circumstances:
She was working as live in the house (a maid I assume) in New Jersey. She had contact with her family and friend in Poland thru phone calls and emails. They lost contact with her July 1st 2017.

I think this is a good find and should be submitted!

Yeah the height is off, but we've seen that before in other cases, especially when remains are skeletonized.

As you noted, Lakewood is pretty far from the George Washington Bridge in Manhattan, and from how the decedent was dressed, she appeared to be a local going for a quick run.

However, the fact that Luiza worked as a maid could explain the money. Maybe she was paid in cash.

Also, Luiza is dressed in mostly black in all her Namus photos. The decedent was also dressed mostly in black when she was found.

Luiza also appeared to dress well. The decedent was found in lululemon jogging pants—certainly not cheap!—and other stylish brands like Under Armour and Sketchers.

And lastly, Luiza was Polish. According to Wikipedia, "Wallington in Bergen County contains [New Jersey]'s highest percentage of Polish Americans and one of the highest percentages in the United States." Wallington, NJ is about an hour bus ride away from where the woman was found. Significantly closer than Lakewood.

Could Luiza have been visiting Polish acquaintances in Wallington, or maybe even attending a Polish festival by herself, and decided to come into Manhattan for a bit?

 

[HmmMysterious]

I think this is a good find and should be submitted!

Yeah the height is off, but we've seen that before in other cases, especially when remains are skeletonized.

As you noted, Lakewood is pretty far from the George Washington Bridge in Manhattan, and from how the decedent was dressed, she appeared to be a local going for a quick run.

However, the fact that Luiza worked as a maid could explain the money. Maybe she was paid in cash.

Also, Luiza is dressed in mostly black in all her Namus photos. The decedent was also dressed mostly in black when she was found.

Luiza also appeared to dress well. The decedent was found in lululemon jogging pants—certainly not cheap!—and other stylish brands like Under Armour and Sketchers.

And lastly, Luiza was Polish. According to Wikipedia, "Wallington in Bergen County contains [New Jersey]'s highest percentage of Polish Americans and one of the highest percentages in the United States." Wallington, NJ is about an hour bus ride away from where the woman was found. Significantly closer than Lakewood.

Could Luiza have been visiting Polish acquaintances in Wallington, or maybe even attending a Polish festival by herself, and decided to come into Manhattan for a bit?

Apparently there's also a large Polish-American community about 30 minutes away from the bridge. It's located in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. Maybe Luiza was going to check it out.

If Jane Doe is Luiza, the fact that all of her family/friends are in Poland might explain why she wasn't identified sooner.

 

[cvaldez1975]

"The fanny pack had thousands of dollars inside". Is that the first time this was disclosed? It kind of argues against a robbery. It also seems less likely this was a jogger straying off a path. Who would go for a run with that much cash on them?

i also wasnt aware she died of blunt force trauma to torso and was under a bridge. i think she either jumped or was pushed. but i feel like if someone pushed her they would have taken the cash. but why would she jump w cash? she didnt need it.

 

[azure]

i also wasnt aware she died of blunt force trauma to torso and was under a bridge. i think she either jumped or was pushed. but i feel like if someone pushed her they would have taken the cash. but why would she jump w cash? she didnt need it.

Long shot guess, but could it be for burial? We've seen suicide UIDs leave money for burial before.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Long shot guess, but could it be for burial? We've seen suicide UIDs leave money for burial before.

thats one guess. poor lady.

 

[HmmMysterious]

Bumping. The 6th anniversary of Jane Doe's discovery is approaching.

 

[HmmMysterious]

9 Missing Person Exclusions

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Still the same 9 exclusions on NamUs

 

[shooksoul]

I’m going down a very deep rabbit hole but I need someone else to tell me they see what I see here

 

[bombardier]

I’m going down a very deep rabbit hole but I need someone else to tell me they see what I see here

i can see it! whose that?

 

[Susikatze]

Very very long shot, location is off and age would be off but Jenna van Gelderen comes to my mind. Disappeared from Atlanta in 2017 without a trace. She was younger but there is a slight resemblance to the recon.

 

[shooksoul]

i can see it! whose that?

Rabbit hole took me to Pennsylvania. A woman from there went missing in August of 2017, which would fit the timeline perfectly. I found what appears to be her LinkedIn, with no information, except that she was a student at NYU (I'm guessing this is not true, but would at least put her in the vicinity of NYC for whatever reason.

Take that photo above with a grain of salt. I cannot for the life of me verify who she is and it's clearly taken in the 80s or 90s so that woman would be 40+ years older now. But the resemblance is uncanny to me, and if I can verify that she was married to a certain someone (who is very wealthy in the area), I can maybe work backwards from there.

 

[dotr]

Very very long shot, location is off and age would be off but Jenna van Gelderen comes to my mind. Disappeared from Atlanta in 2017 without a trace. She was younger but there is a slight resemblance to the recon.

GA - GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #5

link DeKalb Police investigating disappearance of woman who went missing from Druid Hills home August 23, 2017 DeKalb Police are searching for a woman who went missing over the weekend. Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, was last seen on Friday and her brother reported her missing on Aug. 20. She was...

www.websleuths.com

 

[beavt]

Has Luiza Piotrowska been mentioned yet? Age and hair color are a match, but she's 3 inches taller than the highest estimate for height. She disappeared in 2017 and Jane Doe is believed to have died that year. I would also like to point out that Lakewood, New Jersey is only about 2 hours away from Manhattan.

Age: 40 years old
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 120-125 lbs
Hair color: Brown

Missing from: Lakewood, New Jersey
DLC: July 1, 2017
Circumstances:
She was working as live in the house (a maid I assume) in New Jersey. She had contact with her family and friend in Poland thru phone calls and emails. They lost contact with her July 1st 2017.

Did you ever submit Luiza? Per the flyer attachment in NamUs;
“Circumstances:
Luiza spent many years in New York. In September 2017 she went to New York. From that moment on, there is no contact with her”
She looks very much like the reconstruction too.

 

[Susikatze]

I think they should compare both, Luiza and Jenna to the UID

 

[Caring1]

This lady crosses my mind frequently. I always wonder why she had thousands of dollars in her fanny pack. Had she just arrived in the U.S.? Had she intended on making a large purchase? Did she live with someone untrustworthy and felt she needed to secure her money whenever she left her home?

Her family must be wondering what happened to her.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

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