NY NY - Montauk, WhtFem OldAge, UP134473, in a wooded area at Montauk State Park, brown eyes, mole next to cheek, clothes, plaid, Mar'78

[itsdev]

IMO. MOO. Pure speculation!
The thing that is sticking out in my mind regarding the 9 John and Jane Does and Mary Murphy's blog post on it is how she brings up the amount of weapons at his house.

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons, including Glocks and long guns. The victims he's accused of killing so far were not shot. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of seven women.

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

I'd love to hear any thoughts on the matter!

 

[Ruminations]

Heuermann was about 15 when this woman was discovered. Unfortunately, there are killers who start their crimes early in life, especially serial killers, in their teens. Ted Bundy was believed to have started his criminal activities in his teens. Some investigators think that he kidnapped and murdered a girl who lived near him in Tacoma. Bundy would have been 14 when that happened.

Heuermann probably can't be ruled out. IMO the crimes he's charged with may be the tip of the iceberg....

You're right about the age- he was 14 years, 6 months. His father was quite dead by then. He lived in his basement bedroom, and I am going to guess that his sisters shared an upstairs room and his brother got the tiny bedroom. So he'd be alone to find a "small caliper gun" someplace in the basement.

Guns do need to be maintained, but he could have been taught how to keep the gun working.

I looked it up. Easter 1978 was March 26. It is viable that this murder occurred during a school holiday. So, his potential absence from school is not an issue. Also, in adulthood, he seems to like killing on school holidays.

But I still don't see him doing this alone. This was 80 miles from his home. It's far for a 14 year old to go solo. Then, did he know how to drive? Not impossible, but a little unlikely in the suburbs. It is likely, if he knew how to drive, that he looked old enough. I suppose he could have met her and charmed her into taking him somewhere, but that would be towards a train, a home, etc. not to a park.

So, how could 14 yo Rex have killed her?

One of the news stories specifically says she was shot on her left side. That is interesting. If she was dumped, shooting someone sitting in the drivers seat from the open driver door fits that pattern. If the car is an old bench seat style, he could shoot without getting caught? slide her over, drive her in her own car to the park, drag her, but apparently not on her coat, a distance on a walking path, then leave her without hiding her.

I think she was shot where she was found. If so, maybe he charmed her into showing him around, with some story. If he were walking on her left of the lookout path, he could have just impulsively started shooting. (He has some mixed dominance; does anyone recall if he said he fires guns lefty or righty? That is learnable. There are pictures.)

In any case, after using to car to transport her dead or taking a ride with her to the murder site, he'd have to drive away in a distinctive vehicle and mange to hide it. If she were shot or bleeding in her car, he'd know he had to hide it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why he would decide to hide it since he didn't exactly hide the body.

I don't see how he could possibly luck into someone who would not be reported missing, especially since, if he murdered her, there would be no reason for a non- murderer to fail to report her missing. If he murdered her and kept her wallet, would somebody really go through the risk of cashing her checks, with fake id, when they had no idea if she'd be found off an embankment or in a hospital or visiting a relative any day now? Or, if from news reports, they assumed she was murdered, why would they cash her checks and make themselves out to be very plausible suspects? I'm inclined to doubt that someone cashed her checks much more than I doubt Rex could have done this.

You can't rule anything out. But the Rex theory is weird.

How did he get a victim who wasn't reported missing? Where is her car?

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

IMO. MOO. Pure speculation!
The thing that is sticking out in my mind regarding the 9 John and Jane Does and Mary Murphy's blog post on it is how she brings up the amount of weapons at his house.

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons, including Glocks and long guns. The victims he's accused of killing so far were not shot. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of seven women.

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

I'd love to hear any thoughts on the matter!

Rex could have just found guns in the basement. His father's military clothes were just there. Why not some guns. Rex getting a gun at 14 is plausible. If he murdered Montauk Mary, however, he was a very lucky kid to get away with it.

 

[cenazoic]

Stranger still that Tierney has just possibly hinted that it is related to Rex Heuermann,

Wait now, can you point me to where he hinted this? I must’ve missed it!

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm seriously starting to wonder if they're fishing around to see if this raving lunatic RH had some kind of involvement by some other party early on. Seriously. Can you imagine? Maybe my imagination is just running away with me, but I think it's possible that's something being considered. A lot of people on here speculate he was part of something bigger, so this dovetails with that idea.

Claudia Smith?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Stony Brook NY June 1976
Subject placed at Center by Social Services and did not wish to stay there. Possibly headed to Fort Salonga, NY by Taxi.

Killer Richard Biegenwald might be someone to look at with this case, he had an associate named Smith (but who doesn't have an associate with the surname "Smith"?). Whoever killed her, I think they chased that little woman and shot her in the legs, toppling her down, basically, and then shot her in the chest. Probably a relative in the wrong place at the wrong time with seriously wrong and terrifying people.