NY NY - Montauk, WhtFem OldAge, UP134473, in a wooded area at Montauk State Park, brown eyes, mole next to cheek, clothes, plaid, Mar'78

[itsdev]

IMO. MOO. Pure speculation!
The thing that is sticking out in my mind regarding the 9 John and Jane Does and Mary Murphy's blog post on it is how she brings up the amount of weapons at his house.

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons, including Glocks and long guns. The victims he's accused of killing so far were not shot. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of seven women.

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

I'd love to hear any thoughts on the matter!

 

[Ruminations]

Heuermann was about 15 when this woman was discovered. Unfortunately, there are killers who start their crimes early in life, especially serial killers, in their teens. Ted Bundy was believed to have started his criminal activities in his teens. Some investigators think that he kidnapped and murdered a girl who lived near him in Tacoma. Bundy would have been 14 when that happened.

Heuermann probably can't be ruled out. IMO the crimes he's charged with may be the tip of the iceberg....

You're right about the age- he was 14 years, 6 months. His father was quite dead by then. He lived in his basement bedroom, and I am going to guess that his sisters shared an upstairs room and his brother got the tiny bedroom. So he'd be alone to find a "small caliper gun" someplace in the basement.

Guns do need to be maintained, but he could have been taught how to keep the gun working.

I looked it up. Easter 1978 was March 26. It is viable that this murder occurred during a school holiday. So, his potential absence from school is not an issue. Also, in adulthood, he seems to like killing on school holidays.

But I still don't see him doing this alone. This was 80 miles from his home. It's far for a 14 year old to go solo. Then, did he know how to drive? Not impossible, but a little unlikely in the suburbs. It is likely, if he knew how to drive, that he looked old enough. I suppose he could have met her and charmed her into taking him somewhere, but that would be towards a train, a home, etc. not to a park.

So, how could 14 yo Rex have killed her?

One of the news stories specifically says she was shot on her left side. That is interesting. If she was dumped, shooting someone sitting in the drivers seat from the open driver door fits that pattern. If the car is an old bench seat style, he could shoot without getting caught? slide her over, drive her in her own car to the park, drag her, but apparently not on her coat, a distance on a walking path, then leave her without hiding her.

I think she was shot where she was found. If so, maybe he charmed her into showing him around, with some story. If he were walking on her left of the lookout path, he could have just impulsively started shooting. (He has some mixed dominance; does anyone recall if he said he fires guns lefty or righty? That is learnable. There are pictures.)

In any case, after using to car to transport her dead or taking a ride with her to the murder site, he'd have to drive away in a distinctive vehicle and mange to hide it. If she were shot or bleeding in her car, he'd know he had to hide it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why he would decide to hide it since he didn't exactly hide the body.

I don't see how he could possibly luck into someone who would not be reported missing, especially since, if he murdered her, there would be no reason for a non- murderer to fail to report her missing. If he murdered her and kept her wallet, would somebody really go through the risk of cashing her checks, with fake id, when they had no idea if she'd be found off an embankment or in a hospital or visiting a relative any day now? Or, if from news reports, they assumed she was murdered, why would they cash her checks and make themselves out to be very plausible suspects? I'm inclined to doubt that someone cashed her checks much more than I doubt Rex could have done this.

You can't rule anything out. But the Rex theory is weird.

How did he get a victim who wasn't reported missing? Where is her car?

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

IMO. MOO. Pure speculation!
The thing that is sticking out in my mind regarding the 9 John and Jane Does and Mary Murphy's blog post on it is how she brings up the amount of weapons at his house.

Perhaps there could be a ballistic connection between the guns seized at the home and some of the shooting deaths.

• Montauk Mary - the victim had been shot four times—once in the chest and three times in the legs.
• Melville John Doe - The man had been shot five times—in the back, face, head (behind his left ear), and right shoulder.
• Brentwood John Doe - No info on how he died that I could find after a quick search.

Although he would have been 15 when Montauk Mary was shot, he could have ended up inheriting weapons from a close relative or mentor. Just a thought!

"There are ABSOLUTE reasons why we chose those nine," DA Tierney told me at a press briefing September 23rd in Riverhead, shortly after winning another court challenge in the Gilgo Beach case. Tierney then added, "You're going to have to trust me as to what those reasons are. "When I asked the District Attorney if there was a connection to Rex Heuermann, the D.A. replied, "I would submit that there are really good reasons why we do that. And whether there's a connection or not does not matter until if and when we're able to charge. So, I'm not going to talk about cases until I'm able to charge. That would be unethical."

So now, I'm asking this as a journalist who has watched criminal cases evolve over the course of forty years: Is the addition of the new "Does" a tactic to put pressure on Rex Heuermann? Investigators who searched Heuermann's house in Massapequa Park for twelve days in 2023 located 283 weapons, including Glocks and long guns. The victims he's accused of killing so far were not shot. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the murders of seven women.

MaryMurphyOfficial.com

I'd love to hear any thoughts on the matter!

Rex could have just found guns in the basement. His father's military clothes were just there. Why not some guns. Rex getting a gun at 14 is plausible. If he murdered Montauk Mary, however, he was a very lucky kid to get away with it.

 

[cenazoic]

Stranger still that Tierney has just possibly hinted that it is related to Rex Heuermann,

Wait now, can you point me to where he hinted this? I must’ve missed it!

 

[snooptroop88]

I'm seriously starting to wonder if they're fishing around to see if this raving lunatic RH had some kind of involvement by some other party early on. Seriously. Can you imagine? Maybe my imagination is just running away with me, but I think it's possible that's something being considered. A lot of people on here speculate he was part of something bigger, so this dovetails with that idea.

Claudia Smith?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Stony Brook NY June 1976
Subject placed at Center by Social Services and did not wish to stay there. Possibly headed to Fort Salonga, NY by Taxi.

Killer Richard Biegenwald might be someone to look at with this case, he had an associate named Smith (but who doesn't have an associate with the surname "Smith"?). Whoever killed her, I think they chased that little woman and shot her in the legs, toppling her down, basically, and then shot her in the chest. Probably a relative in the wrong place at the wrong time with seriously wrong and terrifying people.

 

[madamx]

In 1978, there would be paper checks returned to SSA endorsed by the person who cashed them and with notes about where they were cashed or deposited.

If Montauk Mary regularly cashed her check the same place for cash, that would be yet another place that would know her. She apparently wasn't a drinker, so she probably did not cash checks at a bar. If she had SS, she could have cashed her check at a supermarket, which wasn't that uncommon. Once again, they'd know her.

So, someone would know she was missing.

Then, where would the checks be cashed after her death? Someone would have to know of a new person, cashing checks. ID was not picture- a NYS license, which I presume she had, would not have a picture but her height, eye color, DOB. But somebody would suddenly have a new person cashing checks. They'd have to either forge a license with her name, or generally match her height and age. Another investigation angle could be, is there somebody new cashing checks. That name could be chased down, and the actual paper checks, after having been cashed, would be stored with SSA.

It was slow with hand accounting, maybe even a year later, but it would also be noted eventually if someone stopped cashing her checks but was not listed as dead yet. SSA does follow up on dead people cashing checks and presumably live people failing to. Especially the former, but still.

Now, if this were a serial killer, they'd be uninterested in the checks. That's another reason why it is weird Tierney mentioned her with an absolute reason- whatever that use of English means. No missing report and her missing car makes it seem like someone she knew killed her. As does the possibility that someone wanted her paltry income for themselves. But- Tierney mentioned her with other victims who seem more like serial killer or gang initiation type killings.

It's very weird.

MOO

I am feeling the same I think she was killed by a family member or a so called close friend or even a roommate boarder tenant that maybe knew she had no family to report her missing and wanted her checks or cash or her home and property .

My thing is if she lived somewhere on a block the neighbors would notice the old lady in the yellow convertible on the block.
Parked in the driveway . Unless she lived in a secluded house with farmland or woods around.
I just don’t feel like she was killed by a serial killer. But that is just me..

 

[madamx]

D.A. Reopens the Case of ‘Montauk Mary’ | The East Hampton Star

The Suffolk County district attorney’s office is appealing to the public for help in identifying “Montauk Mary,” an elderly woman who was found shot to death in Montauk in the spring of 1978.

www.easthamptonstar.com

For Years, 'Montauk Mary' Was a Cold Case, but It Was Never Forgotten by Local Investigators - 27 East

BY MICHAEL WRIGHT On a Wednesday in March 1978, the second day of spring, Edward Kenney, a civilian U.S. Air Force employee, had been enjoying his lunch in his car in the parking lot of the east overlook just off Route 27 in Montauk State Park, when

www.27east.com

 

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D.A. Reopens the Case of ‘Montauk Mary’ | The East Hampton Star

The Suffolk County district attorney’s office is appealing to the public for help in identifying “Montauk Mary,” an elderly woman who was found shot to death in Montauk in the spring of 1978.

www.easthamptonstar.com

For Years, 'Montauk Mary' Was a Cold Case, but It Was Never Forgotten by Local Investigators - 27 East

BY MICHAEL WRIGHT On a Wednesday in March 1978, the second day of spring, Edward Kenney, a civilian U.S. Air Force employee, had been enjoying his lunch in his car in the parking lot of the east overlook just off Route 27 in Montauk State Park, when

www.27east.com

Wow. Why did authorities release that weird sketch when they found her, presumably not injured in the face, hours after her death? They could have released much more recognizable image of her face by having a sketch drawn from a photo of her body. (May she rest in peace). Why not release a photo of parts of her coat and blouse that were not shot. A photo of a slipper?

Why, considering the horrifying volume of unsolved murders in Suffolk, is she being highlighted?

I would like to know more about her ambulation from the restaurant witnesses.

Could she have easily walked to where she was found? Was she hidden, or just shot and left on a hiking trail? Was she carrying a wallet? Wearing jewelry? A purse? Was anything in her pockets?

Also, was she shot where she was found? It seems like this would be pretty obvious. Did the shots appear to be at close range or long range?

In any case, she was local enough to be a regular at a restaurant in the off season. She had to have had additional contacts in addition to the restaurant witnesses, because she slept, obtained money, used restrooms, bought gas, ate other food somewhere. She sounds like she had a somewhat eccentric fashion, walk, and car. That she was not reported missing, or that there are not more witnesses, even given that unhelpful sketch, does not add up.

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

I'm seriously starting to wonder if they're fishing around to see if this raving lunatic RH had some kind of involvement by some other party early on. Seriously. Can you imagine? Maybe my imagination is just running away with me, but I think it's possible that's something being considered. A lot of people on here speculate he was part of something bigger, so this dovetails with that idea.

Claudia Smith?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Stony Brook NY June 1976
Subject placed at Center by Social Services and did not wish to stay there. Possibly headed to Fort Salonga, NY by Taxi.

Killer Richard Biegenwald might be someone to look at with this case, he had an associate named Smith (but who doesn't have an associate with the surname "Smith"?). Whoever killed her, I think they chased that little woman and shot her in the legs, toppling her down, basically, and then shot her in the chest. Probably a relative in the wrong place at the wrong time with seriously wrong and terrifying people.

I originally had doubted this person being the same person as Montauk Mary for the eye color, but one of the news stories gives her eye color as hazel, so...I guess that's kinda between blue and brown.

It is possible. She could have hidden from a homeless shelter/social services that she had a car. She could have given a fake name, fake ID, because it would take a bit longer to find out someone was not who they claimed to be if, for example, they claimed they lost their wallet. Maybe Claudia Smith is Montauk Mary. Maybe "Claudia Smith" was not her real name.

The timeline works. But she apparently had a place to stay by 1978-

MOO

 

[justbrowsingiguess]

The yellow 1960's car is the one thing that really stuck with me through this. This car would obviously have to be seen and noted by people either missing this woman, or her neighbors or her friends. Originally I was looking for potential MP's that matched the description but none were really hitting it for me. If I get rid of weight there's about 3 women who this could potentially be based on the descriptors, but none stood out to me. That is until the yellow car. One of them drove a 1960's yellow car, and that lady is Stephania Andrews.

Stephania Andrews: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

I'm not sure if I'm the first person to note this or not. Orignially she was one of the three I looked at, the only thing is that the weight was a bit off, and the lady had a mole on her right cheek. Admitedly, it's hard to see if Stephania has one or not since the one photo we have of her, her finger is covering the area, and also admitedly the weight is off, however from the time she was missing to the time the doe was found was 8 years, there's a chance she could have put on more weight in that time. Unlikely sure, but definitely possible.

Additionally, her car is a "black and yellow Oldsmobile sports coupe", and according to Wikipedia her car had the possiblility to be a 2 door convertible since it's a 1969 Oldsmobile 442. While it's not necesarisly early 60's, it still is 60's and would match possible desctiptions. Here's the wiki link for the car:

Oldsmobile 442 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I won't lie and say that there would be things needed to be cleared up here, but it feels too good to be true to have a doe and a mp that have almost similar cars. How many yellow cars do you see on a daily basis? I get it was a different time and yellow might have been a more common color, but the coincidence feels hard to deny to me.

Would love to hear y'alls thoughts and know if you agree or not that it could be a potential match

 

[Ruminations]

The yellow 1960's car is the one thing that really stuck with me through this. This car would obviously have to be seen and noted by people either missing this woman, or her neighbors or her friends. Originally I was looking for potential MP's that matched the description but none were really hitting it for me. If I get rid of weight there's about 3 women who this could potentially be based on the descriptors, but none stood out to me. That is until the yellow car. One of them drove a 1960's yellow car, and that lady is Stephania Andrews.

Stephania Andrews: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

I'm not sure if I'm the first person to note this or not. Orignially she was one of the three I looked at, the only thing is that the weight was a bit off, and the lady had a mole on her right cheek. Admitedly, it's hard to see if Stephania has one or not since the one photo we have of her, her finger is covering the area, and also admitedly the weight is off, however from the time she was missing to the time the doe was found was 8 years, there's a chance she could have put on more weight in that time. Unlikely sure, but definitely possible.

Additionally, her car is a "black and yellow Oldsmobile sports coupe", and according to Wikipedia her car had the possiblility to be a 2 door convertible since it's a 1969 Oldsmobile 442. While it's not necesarisly early 60's, it still is 60's and would match possible desctiptions. Here's the wiki link for the car:

Oldsmobile 442 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I won't lie and say that there would be things needed to be cleared up here, but it feels too good to be true to have a doe and a mp that have almost similar cars. How many yellow cars do you see on a daily basis? I get it was a different time and yellow might have been a more common color, but the coincidence feels hard to deny to me.

Would love to hear y'alls thoughts and know if you agree or not that it could be a potential match

Totally think it could be a match-

but not because of the car color. yellow was always considered a wise car color choice back then- and beige and, if you must go blue light blue, because paint tech was not as it is now, and many other colors would fade and look aged faster.

Thanks for sharing your research.

I am flummoxed by this case.

If I want to go total tin-foil hat, I could theorize that Tierney is sabotaging the prosecution by helping the defense point to the plethora of unsolved murders and the uncanny number of serial killers on LI. Probably the strongest defense is to point hard at Sandra and the public accusation that someone else was THE suspect. But- that does not make sense. Why would he show-boat by doing the prosecution himself if he wanted to sabotage it. The only supporting fact for my tin-foil theory is that Tierney is very anti-evidence and seemed to clash with the former police commissioner, who seemed very pro-evidence and seemed to be the driver of creating a task-force that investigated Rex in the first place. Other than that, I don't see any reason to suspect Tierney of sabotaging his own prosecution.

All the facts of the Montauk Mary case seem to point to family/land lord killing her. I don't think that it is a viable theory that someone did so for her income (such as pension checks) but it is viable someone did it for her assets. A person living off a lump sum could choose to be as stingy as possible with menu selections and tipping. She gave birth, per the autopsy. Maybe she wanted to save money to last her whole life, and/or help out the next generation. But...if she were just an unsolved murder, and I apologize for over-stating this, the existence of those actually helps Rex's defense. So why would Tierney bring her up.

MOO