GUILTY NY - Phoenix & Luna Rodriguez, 1, twins, die in hot car, Bronx, 26 July 2019 *No jail*

[Jax49]

are the names of the babies correct? i thought the female child was named Luna

guess ive missed that explained here too....not got time to read every single post and link given

New York hot car deaths: His 1-year-old twins died in a hot car. He thought he left them at daycare - CNN

Police initially identified the twins as Mariza and Phoenix Rodriguez, but later said their names were Luna and Phoenix Rodriguez.

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[Inthedetails]

New York hot car deaths: His 1-year-old twins died in a hot car. He thought he left them at daycare - CNN



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Yes, I think the daughter is Luna and the wife is Marissa (maybe also spelled Mariza?).

jmo

 

[blue22]

This case differs in pretty huge ways, from David Diamond theory. (If you happen to subscribe to his theory/research.) He did no go directly from one point to another on autopilot. It was interrupted with dropping off another child. He was able to remember that the child needed to be dropped off. This was not outside of his routine, as he was known to take the twins.

 

[Rosegold68]

i just cant understand going 8 whole hours and he doesn't remember

and for those saying read the science based reports its a phenonomen etcetc,....no....this man cant remember what he did with his kids but he was entrusted as a social worker. he was allegedly tired but he was in a position of trust with vulnerable people?

excuses

 

[Inthedetails]

delete. wrong thread.

 

[beatrixpotter]

I have closed the car door and got just 2 seconds away from forgetting someone when they are little. I always have remembered almost right away. But all I'd ever think about is that parent who didn't remember. And the fact that I could potentially forget. There is so much sleep deprivation in parenting. And when you share responsibilities with other people it's easier than when you are the person who 24/7 can never take their eyes off their child...except when you do and have to.

I've always been terrified of leaving a little one in the car. It's not about not loving or valuing your kids. But it's pretty impossible for any one human being to be on top of every last thing every minute of the day and night. NO ONE is but it usually works out ok. I'm watching my 2 yo right now. I do other things while watching him. I frequently suddenly feel panicked when I realize it's quiet and I don't know what he's doing. I know I get distracted. I have a million things I need to do (and admittedly websleuths isn't a real need).

I'd never forgive myself if I made a mistake and my children died. I've told my husband I'd probably never be able to actually forgive him either if he did that. I still recognize some events as mistakes though. It's not possible to parent and never make mistakes. Most of us are just lucky though I think and not necessarily better parents.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I think all parents , whether they admit it or not, have come very close to something happening to their child. Survival is difficult, and there are many ways we can unintentionally harm our children, physically, emotionally, or mentally.

Very much by the grace of God, you know? I guess my own bias is a soft spot for this veteran who is helping other veterans (for now, until some damning info comes out). We don't know what's happening in his workplace that could have contributed to his mental lapse. I do know that these are some difficult, stressful days for all of us, and that the people who cause the problems are often not the ones who have to solve them.

 

[blue22]

I think if it could happen to anyone, it would happen more often. One of the major faults in the research behind hot car deaths, is it only looks at external circumstances. I think if researchers were really willing to dig into the why and how, they would look at the internal makeup of these people. I think we would find they all have internal qualities or deficits that contribute. If it could truly happen to anyone, it would be happening to anyone at a greater rate.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

It happens often enough. Are there specific internal deficits that you believe all of these parents have (the ones who did not intend to kill their kids, anyway), vs. other people? And what could be done to prevent this? I hold out hope for technology, but there are obstacles to that.

 

[Medstudies]

Yes. This can happen to anyone. The problem and paradox is that it has occurred often enough that everyone should know that it can happen to them, and take steps to make sure it doesn’t. And this man is a social worker!?!?! He knows what can happen. I don’t know what LE’s reasoning was in arresting him, beyond the obvious, but to me, his job makes him more culpable.

When I have papers I need to take with me, from home, I realize that I may forget to take them. So I hide my car keys under them. It hasn’t failed once. I like the idea of tying a cord from the car seat to the driver. I’ve heard that you can set a ‘child in car’ alarm on Waze, to go off at destination. For that matter, you could set daycare as your destination, in any mapping app that talks to you—even if you know the way. My favorite idea is—take your left shoe off and toss it on the back seat. It’s an extravagant idea, but free, low-tech and certain to work—and when I compare the inconvenience to the chance of a lifetime of agony, there’s no comparison.

I deliberately use Waze every time I drive, whether I have children in the car with me or not, I set an alert (very easy to do with the app) which reminds me when I park “Yo! Med! Check the backseat!”

And like you, if I don’t want to forget to pack something before I leave, I make sure my keys and phone are with that item.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I deliberately use Waze every time I drive, whether I have children in the car with me or not, I set an alert (very easy to do with the app) which reminds me when I park “Yo! Med! Check the backseat!”

And like you, if I don’t want to forget to pack something before I leave, I make sure my keys and phone are with that item.

What happens if you forget to put your keys with the phone and you forget to bring your phone? The app is then useless. JMO

 

[Timekeeper65]

Too long. He should have noticed it as soon as he opened the door. JMO

Why? Because that is your opinion? He could have driven all the way to day care and then noticed. What doggone difference does it make? They children are deceased. He’s devastated.

Again. I hope to gawd no one else suffers a loss such as this. Anyone. Including my fellow friends here. I know how it feels to suffer this loss. I know how I criticized others before I could grasp how it happens.

Last post. Promise.

Love and peace.

 

[Medstudies]

What happens if you forget to put your keys with the phone and you forget to bring your phone? The app is then useless. JMO

What if indeed, but I have never left my phone or keys. Maybe my comment is useless to you, feel free to ignore it.

 

[blue22]

It happens often enough. Are there specific internal deficits that you believe all of these parents have (the ones who did not intend to kill their kids, anyway), vs. other people? And what could be done to prevent this? I hold out hope for technology, but there are obstacles to that.

Out of the hundreds of millions of people in this country, I would consider this type of death exceedingly rare.

I don't necessarily believe all of these people have te same internal qualities or deficits. I believe it could be something found. I believe that it's never been studied, and it should. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the people are actually very similar.

When I say internal qualities and deficits, I don't mean that in a criminal sense. (Though it could mean that, I don't mean it that way.) I mean certain things could make certain people more predisposed to forgetting their children. Low emotional IQ, certain mental illnesses colliding, recent (or past trauma,) pervasive ways of thinking, general unhappiness with current circumstances, etc. The list could go on and on. Any one or two or three of theses things at a time, might not cause any issues. However, I think it's possible that a total set of circumstances can lead to a perfect storm type of situation. I think there is generally a reason something very rare happens to certain individuals. But that's just how I personally view things.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What if indeed, but I have never left my phone or keys. Maybe my comment is useless to you, feel free to ignore it.

I'm just pointing out that the app is not foolproof.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why? Because that is your opinion? He could have driven all the way to day care and then noticed. What doggone difference does it make? They children are deceased. He’s devastated.

Again. I hope to gawd no one else suffers a loss such as this. Anyone. Including my fellow friends here. I know how it feels to suffer this loss. I know how I criticized others before I could grasp how it happens.

Last post. Promise.

Love and peace.

Yes it's my opinion that something is wrong with this story.

I'm trying to understand why Rodriguez didn't discover the children when he opened the door to his car. JMO

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Yes it's my opinion that something is wrong with this story.

I'm trying to understand why Rodriguez didn't discover the children when he opened the door to his car. JMO

I wonder that, too. I remember reading where a police officer when asked why people didn't notice a body decomposing in their walls, stating that different houses have different background odors, and that might be why. It could be that the car always smelled a certain way, and it just seemed worse that day because of the heat. Could be this veteran had head trauma that affected his sense of smell. Could be he was preoccupied with work stress. Could be something more malicious on his part, like Ross.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Out of the hundreds of millions of people in this country, I would consider this type of death exceedingly rare.

I don't necessarily believe all of these people have te same internal qualities or deficits. I believe it could be something found. I believe that it's never been studied, and it should. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the people are actually very similar.

When I say internal qualities and deficits, I don't mean that in a criminal sense. (Though it could mean that, I don't mean it that way.) I mean certain things could make certain people more predisposed to forgetting their children. Low emotional IQ, certain mental illnesses colliding, recent (or past trauma,) pervasive ways of thinking, general unhappiness with current circumstances, etc. The list could go on and on. Any one or two or three of theses things at a time, might not cause any issues. However, I think it's possible that a total set of circumstances can lead to a perfect storm type of situation. I think there is generally a reason something very rare happens to certain individuals. But that's just how I personally view things.

Well put, thank you. Some of these predispositions also have to do with external factors (such as access to health care, trauma from war, overwork due to economic circumstances). I was Googling a bit to see the global statistics on these deaths, and I found an interesting article about British Columbia and Quebec and BC's backing of technology to prevent this. From Vancouver Sun: Baby death in hot car: Quebec coroners have twice recommended alarms in all cars.

I would like to see some support for that here in the US, where these deaths seem to be much more common (although climate change may well increase the numbers elsewhere in the future). From BBC: The children left behind in hot cars

 

[Medstudies]

I'm just pointing out that the app is not foolproof.

Sure, but it’s better than doing nothing.

Kinda like we have seatbelt laws but not everyone uses them. And then sometimes they do, but the safety restraints still don’t improve the outcome. But
the odds of survival are significantly improved by using them. Correctly.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Yes it's my opinion that something is wrong with this story.

I'm trying to understand why Rodriguez didn't discover the children when he opened the door to his car. JMO

What about that man recently found in a grocery store in IA? He fell behind a freezer and for months the employees and shoppers smelled a corpse and never did a thing about it. They all just assumed it must be something else.

I'm surprised that people will acknowledge that a diaper left in a car smells really bad. But then don't seem to think that if you open your car and it smells you don't think dirty diaper. Why would someone smell something and automatically think of their kids? I'd think food or a diaper was left in the car by accident. I'd think an animal might have crawled up in the engine area. My first thought would never be that a bad small in my car was the bodies of my dead children. I would think honestly that would be kind of obvious. IF you have no reason to think a body is smelling up your car your first thought is going to be explaining away a smell with much more common reasons for a car smelling.