NY- Queens, WhtMale, 20-35, UP5980, found hanging from a fence in a park, Sept' 2001.

[Aurora90]

NamUs #UP5980 **Warning: Post Mortem Photo at Link**

Case Numbers​

ME/C Case Number Q01-04016

Demographics​

Biological Sex Male
Race / Ethnicity White / Caucasian
Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 30
Estimated Age Range (Years) 20-35
Estimated Year of Death 2001
Height 6' 0"(72 inches) , Measured
Weight 226 lbs, Measured

Circumstances​

Type Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found September 28, 2001
NamUs Case Created September 28, 2009
ME/C QA Reviewed September 29, 2009

Location Found​

Location Queens, New York
County Queens County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)40.670121, -73.844363
Circumstances of Recovery Unknown male was found hanging from a fence in a park by a passerby walking their dog.

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Details of Recovery​

Inventory of Remains All parts recovered
Condition of Remains Recognizable face

Physical Description​

Hair Color Brown
Head Hair Description straight, brown
Eye Description brown

Clothing and Accessories​

Clothing
blue jacket, yellow printed t-shirt, corduroy jeans, boxers, white socks, black belt with white metal buckle

Footwear
white sneakers

 

[Aurora90]

I sent in the possibility that this is Patrick Pegg from Missouri. He matches all the available information; same height, race, gender, hair colour, and eye colour of Patrick and very close weight range as well.

There is no DNA on file apparently for Patrick. Hopefully they can get some. I can't tell if John Doe has a scar on his forehead, and there is no mention of a gunshot wound but everything else fits.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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[Aurora90]

Can someone include the rule-outs?

 

[teejap]

did he rope because of post-9/11 trauma?

 

[subaw0067]

did he rope because of post-9/11 trauma?

I immediately wondered if he could be military from the haircut. Maybe not 9/11 trauma, but the knowledge that we were going to war.

 

[Diavola]

Can someone include the rule-outs?

@Caring1

 

[subaw0067]

@Caring1

only one,
MP7267
Peter
Lorang
07/31/2001
Saratoga
NY

 

[JSolt1210]

did he rope because of post-9/11 trauma?

This was my immediate thought as well! 9/11 affected the entire country, but it was definitely more intense in the directly impacted areas.

I immediately wondered if he could be military from the haircut. Maybe not 9/11 trauma, but the knowledge that we were going to war.

Great observation re: the haircut! A "military angle" would never have occurred to me. But President Bush had announced the War on Terror just eight days prior, so this theory makes perfect sense.

One pushback though: if this is true, wouldn't it have actually made it easier to identify this man? The military would've had his photo on file and listed him as AWOL.

Then again, the months following 9/11 felt very chaotic, so it's possible the AWOL list was simply never cross-referenced with reports of unidentified remains.

 

[subaw0067]

This was my immediate thought as well! 9/11 affected the entire country, but it was definitely more intense in the directly impacted areas.


Great observation re: the haircut! A "military angle" would never have occurred to me. But President Bush had announced the War on Terror just eight days prior, so this theory makes perfect sense.

One pushback though: if this is true, wouldn't it have actually made it easier to identify this man? The military would've had his photo on file and listed him as AWOL.

Then again, the months following 9/11 felt very chaotic, so it's possible the AWOL list was simply never cross-referenced with reports of unidentified remains.

Not necessarily. If he was guard or reserves and just never showed up to drill again he wouldn’t be on any AWOL list.

 

[JSolt1210]

Not necessarily. If he was guard or reserves and just never showed up to drill again he wouldn’t be on any AWOL list.

Ah I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for sharing!

 

[branmuffin]

Does he have a military haircut or is his hair longer and pulled back from his face for identification purposes? His hair is described as straight which suggests it's long enough to identify if it's curly, wavy or straight.

 

[erlysunsets]

Does he have a military haircut or is his hair longer and pulled back from his face for identification purposes? His hair is described as straight which suggests it's long enough to identify if it's curly, wavy or straight.

that’s a good point. i think his hair is as short as we see in the photo, it doesn’t look pulled back to me. BUT, since it is so short, it’s possible that if this person was reported missing it’d be with a hair type other than straight. it’s possible his hair was recently cut that short and it normally has some sort of pattern that isn’t detectable at that length. something to keep in mind while searching for matches imo.