NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 6

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I have loved sleuthing for years. I love the people I have come to know and the cases I have worked. I also care a great deal about this case, and I am/have been involved on two of the fb groups.

It saddens me to see that people within both groups don't see that they are really mirror images of or complimenting partners of each other. Think of a well run police department where law enforcement officers and staff are divided into departments working on a similar case. The detectives interview a spouse concerning his/her spouse who went missing. They gather all pertinent info, and they ask the hard questions. They have to. Statistics tell them it is the wisest choice.

Let's say the spouse is cleared or is at least not a poi or suspect. The detectives don't interview the spouse for all to see, and they generally don't publicize the tough questions and the spouse's responses in writing or on video unless or until the person becomes a poi. They investigate professionally and discretely so as to not compromise the integrity of the investigation and for other reasons.

In the victim's advocate department, the spouse may seek support. The spouse may be given additional resources to help him/her through this most difficult time. This should be a place where the spouse should be able to feel supported and safe. Say the spouse cried all day and feels the walls are falling down with tears of grief. It should be a place where he/she shouldn't have to answer questions, especially the tough ones. There is a place for that. This is not the place.

Concerning the Robert Mayer Search Group, at first there was one page. Although it was meant for support and the sharing of info to find Rob, it was criticized for its name because it included the word, "search." It was an innocent mistake. I was involved in SAR for many years, and had I named the page I might have done the same thing. In any case, in hindsight maybe two pages should have been created--one private where Ida could go for support and to help with fliers and info sharing, and one public page for all to see and join while helping to spread the word. That was done today. A little late, but with a true and good motive.

The other page? Well I can't go there. I can't go there because i don't want to violate TOS, and well--I just can't go there. lol

That leaves the wonderful posters here. You folks are the detectives. There are some seasoned, spot on detectives here that could be beneficial in helping solve this.

I think sleuthing has its place, and that is here. And, support and the spreading of info has its place and it is there. Same cause, different departments. I am a member of both, and I must be ever mindful of how I conduct myself so as not to jeopardize the investigation, and equally as important, so I don't hurt anyone unnecessarily.

Excellent post Relay. For us sleuthing and hoping to find RM, we believed the Search part of the title. It is really amazing to have over 2,000 members and yet have absolutely no details at all.

I think it's great that this huge number of people joined. I just wish those who wanted to actually help and not support were sent somewhere appropriate to actually help find him. If 2,000 people spent that much time trying to find him, I think he'd be located by now.
 
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The Decker page is gone. No tears lost on that one.

Aside the obvious tension, I do wonder if there was some validity there. There were some key points that made sense to me and I've always felt he didn't leave his family. Now I can't see anything. Blocked from one, one deleted. Sigh.
 
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We were not to discuss other pages here. :nono:

We can discuss them. We can't bring over any "facts" from the now-defunct page as they aren't verified. Admins have previously decided to trust the FAQ's at the Search page.

What we can't do is bring the drama over.

I remain a bit concerned about the disdain we show, as a group, for IM as when this is all said and done, we could be eating our words and feel very badly for what she could very well read about our opinions here.
 
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Aside the obvious tension, I do wonder if there was some validity there. There were some key points that made sense to me and I've always felt he didn't leave his family. Now I can't see anything. Blocked from one, one deleted. Sigh.

I never liked either page because it's a conflict of interest for me but the search group still shows up when I search for it but when I click on it, it says the link may be broken or the page may have been taken down. The other one no longer comes up as a possibility on my search bar.
 
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Aside the obvious tension, I do wonder if there was some validity there. There were some key points that made sense to me and I've always felt he didn't leave his family. Now I can't see anything. Blocked from one, one deleted. Sigh.

It sounds like he had knowledge, but it could have been limited. He was right about the trunk. It was verified by someone who was actually at one of the searches. It was discussed at that search. It does explain why RM's tools weren't in the trunk. Who knows? Those tools could be still at the work site in a gang box or in his garage. Perhaps he took them with him. The bad trunk latch does explain an empty trunk.

JMO
 
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We can discuss them. We can't bring over any "facts" from the now-defunct page as they aren't verified. Admins have previously decided to trust the FAQ's at the Search page.

What we can't do is bring the drama over.

I remain a bit concerned about the disdain we show, as a group, for IM as when this is all said and done, we could be eating our words and feel very badly for what she could very well read about our opinions here.

Thank you, CatFancier.
 
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:seeya: WELCOME to WS

Deepinthought and Curious Cathy

Welcome back to WS posting relay

I join with LivingJuicy in giving props to CatFancier - a terrific Mod.

also my :twocents: - in some cases, being deleted or blocked may not be such a bad thing.
 
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It sounds like he had knowledge, but it could have been limited. He was right about the trunk. It was verified by someone who was actually at one of the searches. It was discussed at that search. It does explain why RM's tools weren't in the trunk. Who knows? Those tools could be still at the work site in a gang box or in his garage. Perhaps he took them with him. The bad trunk latch does explain an empty trunk.

JMO

If that information was made public at the search...clearly it was felt that it would not jeopardize the investigation, correct? Then, why was that withheld on the FB search page when the tools or trunk were in question?😼
 
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We can discuss them. We can't bring over any "facts" from the now-defunct page as they aren't verified. Admins have previously decided to trust the FAQ's at the Search page.

What we can't do is bring the drama over.

I remain a bit concerned about the disdain we show, as a group, for IM as when this is all said and done, we could be eating our words and feel very badly for what she could very well read about our opinions here.

she should join us then. I feel like standing behind strangers has dehumanized her, it is unfair, but happens. if she would join a discussion (even only downstairs) it could greatly help her AND finding RM.
 
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We can discuss them. We can't bring over any "facts" from the now-defunct page as they aren't verified. Admins have previously decided to trust the FAQ's at the Search page.

What we can't do is bring the drama over.

I remain a bit concerned about the disdain we show, as a group, for IM as when this is all said and done, we could be eating our words and feel very badly for what she could very well read about our opinions here.

Let's just hope there is an ending, :waiting: and hopefully RM is still with us. I understand your concern about the disdain regarding IM, it's a valid point. However, her actions, words, and evasiveness have led us to these feelings....whether intended or not. MOST of us don't want to believe what we do, but I don't think many can argue that we are left with little choice, especially with all the conflicting information.

If from day 1 she would have just said things honestly, that she couldn't speak because of LE, etc.... That would have helped. But she only did that for some things. The others she lied about, or gave false info. I personally have nothing against her, but right now, it's just hard for me to "like" her. Its just the vibe. But honestly, it's not like I am rooting for her to get caught or something....I just want the truth. And hopefully the truth comes out soon. :scale:
 
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:seeya: WELCOME to WS

Deepinthought and Curious Cathy

Welcome back to WS posting relay

I join with LivingJuicy in giving props to CatFancier - a terrific Mod.

also my :twocents: - in some cases, being deleted or blocked may not be such a bad thing.

I agree. I was spending way too much time bouncing around. Head spinning and all that. Getting my thoughts back in order is cathartic.
 
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If that information was made public at the search...clearly it was felt that it would not jeopardize the investigation, correct? Then, why was that withheld on the FB search page when the tools or trunk were in question?😼

I'm not sure. Perhaps the people who composed the chart were not on the search, so they didn't include it because they didn't know about it. Although, someone should have intervened with a correction. As we all know, details are important.
 
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If that information was made public at the search...clearly it was felt that it would not jeopardize the investigation, correct? Then, why was that withheld on the FB search page when the tools or trunk were in question?��

To my knowledge, the fact that the trunk did not lock was not an le holdback at least as of 7-21 because I was present at the search on 7-21, and Ida stated the trunk lock did not work.
 
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I'm not sure. Perhaps the people who composed the chart were not on the search, so they didn't include it because they didn't know about it. Although, someone should have intervened with a correction. As we all know, details are important.

Really, i would buy that explanation if it werent for their diligence in keeping the details very tidy...and by this i mean that they were extremely tight lipped about anything other than what was shared. Not just IM but the families, friends and admins. I think the trunk not locking is a pretty important detail.
IMO
 
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It sounds like he had knowledge, but it could have been limited. He was right about the trunk. It was verified by someone who was actually at one of the searches. It was discussed at that search. It does explain why RM's tools weren't in the trunk. Who knows? Those tools could be still at the work site in a gang box or in his garage. Perhaps he took them with him. The bad trunk latch does explain an empty trunk.

JMO

Do you mean he didn't keep them in there? Or someone stole them at the train station? :detective:
 
  • #299
If that information was made public at the search...clearly it was felt that it would not jeopardize the investigation, correct? Then, why was that withheld on the FB search page when the tools or trunk were in question?��

There were hundreds of questions coming in very fast on the main page and in even more pms at times. It may have been overlooked, or perhaps an admin who was not on a search to have heard about the trunk lock didn't have the answer. I spent all night and part of a day working this case as an admin on the main fb group. I am not an admin there anymore; however, I am on the new page (not the vile one :eek:). I will be that busy again.

I overlook things or I don't have the answer. If I can, if I have time, or if I have the energy, I research the answer if there is one to b found or I try to ask another admin or Ida. But, I don't always get to it. Heck, somehow I missed the trunk question until I heard about it here. I answered it--because I could. I think this happens with other admins sometimes, although I don't want to speak out of turn and speak on their behalf.

The main group began as a support group and to spread the word with fliers and by way of fb shares and such. Questions came in at full speed in great numbers, and it is hard to be prepared for that, especially when for some it was their first rodeo. Ida agreed to answer questions, but it took time to iron out wrinkles and glitches as admins adjusted and learned as they went along, doing the best they could.
 
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I'm not sure. Perhaps the people who composed the chart were not on the search, so they didn't include it because they didn't know about it. Although, someone should have intervened with a correction. As we all know, details are important.

The Devil is in the details, one of my favorite sayings.
 
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