NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 7

[Trackergd]

Is SAR controlled by local LE?
Are they allowed to give out any info?
And thank you for your expertise!

In PA SAR are independent organizations or volunteer fire departments. Not sure about NY.

I guess I will find out how much they are willing to "share" if I get a call back. Nothing so far. I may follow up with a phone call. I cannot imagine they do not check their website contact emails any less than once a day.

Aww shucks...just glad to help... :blushing:

 

[Eileen730]

I think all of this is plausible. I am stuck on the Money being left. Not a natural sign of someone who is about to up and leave their beloved wife and kids, even if the spouse had animosity to their spouse. The 'angry husband' against the wife never fit here. It just doesn't.

More to that afternoon.

He drives to the scrap yard. Fact.

He drives home. Fact.

Money in the garage drawer. Fact.

Phone and wallet in garage drawer. Fact.

Car found at Long Island Deer Park Depot. Fact.

There are several other facts provided.

These are the facts.

I don't buy the suicide thing. None of it adds up to suicide. I have to be reasonable. He was not suicidal. Nor a womanizer or the type to cheat and run on his wife and children. <modsnip> No one states the obvious anymore. JMO.

How do you know what TYPE Robert Mayer is?
What Type cheats on wives or runs around?

How long have you known Robert Mayer if I might ask because I don't think your local there!


The scrap yard never says they saw his car! they saw him but no one has said they saw that red GTO not even on the security cam....MY guess is someone else took him there

 

[BunnyHop]

I wish a reporter would speak with RM's sister or mom...and find out what their thoughts are. Do they think he left, or that his wife has an idea of why he may have, or what may have happened to him? Is his poor mom still frantic or does she seem to have been told something that comforted her? Just...anything, really to try to get an idea if this man needs help or not.
JMO

IIRC, a curious reporter did get involved. He reached out asking harmless questions.and then.......

:slapfight:

:hills:

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I don't buy the suicide thing. None of it adds up to suicide. I have to be reasonable. He was not suicidal. Nor a womanizer or the type to cheat and run on his wife and children. <modsnip> No one states the obvious anymore. JMO.

If these are facts, how do you know they are facts? Or are they just your interpretation, opinion or are they just gossip?

If these were actual facts, confirmed by more than one consistently correct source, then all of this would certainly be much more obvious to all of us.

But we don't have that. So none of the information as we know it can be taken as 100% fact.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM "appearances" can be deceiving.

Only going by what his wife has said!
Id like to know if he hung out with any of his neighbor friends.
Did they go to ppls backyard BBQ's or did they have ppl over t their house or was it JUST FAMILY Their inlaws and stuff...

I wonder if the past had regulated how they lived ...

 

[BunnyHop]

Is it really a fact that RM was home?

Is it really a fact that RM left those items there?

Did anyone in fact see RM get out of the red GTO at 2:40pm?

And did anyone in fact see RM get back in the GTO and drive away?

I don't see those as facts IMO
Nobody saw the actual person who was at that house IMO

IMHO, they may or may not be facts.
Where are these "facts" coming from?
Surely not LE, as they have released no statement from what I can see.
Why do the "facts" keep changing? If in fact, they are facts, my common
sense says they would be consistent, but they're not. :twocents:

 

[ElizaAvalon]

A lot of the problem with this case in particular is that much of the scant info that we do know is out of context. We don't know what it means

For example, I've never left my personal effects in my garage on purpose and I don't even have drawers in there that would make this a viable option.

Since I suspect more people than not do not leave their personal items in the garage, without knowing if this was the usual place for these items to be stored in the Mayer home it's difficult to understand the motivation behind RM leaving them there and/or why the wallet was found immediately but the other items took a week to discover.

Just analyzing...

 

[Trackergd]

I think all of this is plausible. I am stuck on the Money being left. Not a natural sign of someone who is about to up and leave their beloved wife and kids, even if the spouse had animosity to their spouse. The 'angry husband' against the wife never fit here. It just doesn't.

More to that afternoon.

He drives to the scrap yard. Fact.

He drives home. Fact.

Money in the garage drawer. Fact.

Phone and wallet in garage drawer. Fact.

Car found at Long Island Deer Park Depot. Fact.

There are several other facts provided.

These are the facts.

I don't buy the suicide thing. None of it adds up to suicide. I have to be reasonable. He was not suicidal. Nor a womanizer or the type to cheat and run on his wife and children. Oh F, did I say the wrong thing? No one states the obvious anymore. JMO.

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct about RM not being suicidal, not cheating and not walking away from his family.

With regard to the car as it was found:
Seat moved forward
Not enough room for the bike
Not parked in a place he would normally park it
No scent (this one is debatable as I have no evidence the correct dog was used and that the conditions were correct for scent detection).

The bike is missing and that has me curious.

It is a plausible "initial" assumption he may not have gone on a bike ride because the car is on video coming home and then leaving again.

Another WS member who has first hand knowledge of that specific type car interior and trunk has noted a bike would not fit.

He left his wallet and $300.00 in cash in drawers in the garage, however the car keys are missing. Again, while not having items in pockets suggests a bike ride, we have the car coming and going, unless the car was driven by a friend and RM rode the bike out but the camera did not catch it. That scenario would point at a (unknown) second individual, who by now "should" know about the search and should have come forward.

None of the above fits a car jacking or kidnapping scenario. Quite frankly it does not fit a mob hit either.

I (like many others here) am a bit perplexed about how information is being released in general. One would assume that if the mission at hand is to find RM, that any and all information that would help get that accomplished would be shared.

I would, and I am going to rehash this again, search the preserve. It needs ruled in or out and IM is asking for it to be searched, it seams reasonable to do so in a more detailed manner with the correct resources.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Good question! Questions like this make us go in circles, because it is a hole in the theory. :hypno::treadmill: :hypno:

VCL--- maybe RM's clothers were not given to LE for the dog's or it wasn't RM's scent on the clothes. Purley MOO and speculation:twocents:

 

[hot cawfeee]

Hello - I have been a member forever, but never post, however, I can no longer resist; I must relay my story, and I will try for an abbreviated version. My boyfriend, (now my husband) and I lived together for about ten years. I went to visit my family in NY and talked to him at least daily, sometimes several times a day, and no indication there was any problems, until I returned home. He was supposed to pick me up at the airport, and was not there. I got a ride and the minute I walked in the door I knew something was wrong. He was gone - no signs of anything that belonged to him, no vehicle, nothing. And, no note. He was gone for about six months, and I could find not one that had a clue, none of his adult children, nor any other family members. It was beyond devastating. So, I am here to tell you, men, they can and do disappear when all seems well. After six months, he called, sent me a plane ticket, telling me he wanted to explain, (and, I must say I was leery about going), but go I did, and he greeted me with a wedding band and we got married the next day. So, I will also testify, that sometimes, even when they leave and you have not a clue, it turns out well in the end. Thanks, you guys, you all post some terrific theories and great ideas.

welcome!!!!!!! And thanks for your story!!!! Yikes---and yes-A happy end can come

 

[Eileen730]

Let's assume for a moment that you are correct about RM not being suicidal, not cheating and not walking away from his family.
With regard to the car as it was found:
Seat moved forward
Not enough room for the bike
Not parked in a place he would normally park it
No scent (this one is debatable as I have no evidence the correct dog was used and that the conditions were correct for scent detection).

The bike is missing and that has me curious.

It is a plausible "initial" assumption he may not have gone on a bike ride because the car is on video coming home and then leaving again.

Another WS member who has first hand knowledge of that specific type car interior and trunk has noted a bike would not fit.

He left his wallet and $300.00 in cash in drawers in the garage, however the car keys are missing. Again, while not having items in pockets suggests a bike ride, we have the car coming and going, unless the car was driven by a friend and RM rode the bike out but the camera did not catch it. That scenario would point at a (unknown) second individual, who by now "should" know about the search and should have come forward.

None of the above fits a car jacking or kidnapping scenario. Quite frankly it does not fit a mob hit either.

I (like many others here) am a bit perplexed about how information is being released in general. One would assume that if the mission at hand is to find RM, that any and all information that would help get that accomplished would be shared.

I would, and I am going to rehash this again, search the preserve. It needs ruled in or out and IM is asking for it to be searched, it seams reasonable to do so in a more detailed manner with the correct resources.

BBM If none of these things ........ then he was Murdered!

He came home went in garage left his things like he probably did every day.
Id think he came and went thru the garage!
He possibly put his wallet phone and money in the drawers and went for a bike ride.... Someone followed him and it was not him in his car.

I think the 300 was his spending money for the weekend.

Why wasn't Ida home that afternoon? (im not saying she killed him) someone could have been hired to kill him and not to do it in the home.

this man had no plans to go anwhere he didn't run away
JMO today!
LE always says Look for anything that's out of the norm.

 

[hot cawfeee]

I think so too. + Well for goodness sake if they haven't checked yet, :back:
I missed that he bought his lunch that day as I had tunnel vision on that lunch pail. Oh yes I do have a mental picture of Archie Bunker's steel flip lid, metal double latch, "lunch pail". :floorlaugh:
Maybe he took it out of habit? Maybe I'm the only one with habits that stick every stinking day + I should quit assuming most others have some too.

I hear ya on habits!!!! I have alot of them and some weird quirks too----and that makes me very attuned to any habits or quirks that others may have---
"lunch pail" is an old-fashioned sort of word ( I focus alot on words as y'all know). Mr C has a soft cooler he uses for a lunch box---holds water bottles, fruit, sandwiches, snack and has a zippered part for napkins, advil, tylenol.
Possible it was used as a weapon?? Am thinking RM took it along with his tools.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Three possible reasons:

1) He was never at the train station
2) Conditions at the train station made picking up a scent difficult
3) Used an air scent dog rather than a ground scent dog. This scenario required a ground scent dog.

The preserve would require both a ground scent dog(s) and cadaver dog(s) along with grid searchers.

Trackergd--may I add a fourth?? (MOO ) His scent was not provided to the dogs

 

[Eileen730]

Trackergd--may I add a fourth?? (MOO ) His scent was not provided to the dogs

I think the dogs had his scent but it was not Robert that got OUT of that car there.

 

[BunnyHop]

I think so too. + Well for goodness sake if they haven't checked yet, :back:
I missed that he bought his lunch that day as I had tunnel vision on that lunch pail. Oh yes I do have a mental picture of Archie Bunker's steel flip lid, metal double latch, "lunch pail". :floorlaugh:
Maybe he took it out of habit? Maybe I'm the only one with habits that stick every stinking day + I should quit assuming most others have some too.

BBM lunch pail terminology is very old fashioned. There are so many new soft, insulated bags to use. I wonder, did he make his own lunch at 4AM? Sometimes it's just easier to buy lunch. I sometimes bring lunch if trying to save money or if I know I will be unable to leave all day.

 

[hot cawfeee]

welcome beachgal--------!!!!!!

 

[Trackergd]

Trackergd--may I add a fourth?? (MOO ) His scent was not provided to the dogs

Sure! And I will add that if it was a police bite dog rather than a trained ground scent LE/SAR dog, then the scent not being at the car is out the window!

 

[hot cawfeee]

From what I've seen mentioned in news articles he was working on a big project, so would think he had lots of work ahead, no?

Wish LE would hold a news conference and clear up so many of the things mentioned here! Wish family would press for that. Can't see why/how some answers could jeopardize this case, and might actually help!

Its coming on three months--and I like you wish LE would announce something-

The job RM is on is big and I'd think there would be a maintenance agreement that would go along with it---nice "get" for the contractor. I wonder if this is his first time as foreman, first big job. I also wondered if he was performing up to what the contractor expected.
Not saying RM was bad at his job---just yet another thing I am wondering about. And I wnder also if he has been replaced.

 

[Trackergd]

BBM lunch pail terminology is very old fashioned. There are so many new soft, insulated bags to use. I wonder, did he make his own lunch at 4AM? Sometimes it's just easier to buy lunch. I sometimes bring lunch if trying to save money or if I know I will be unable to leave all day.

Or...the "lunch pail" is how the scrap is removed from the site... Being RM is an Electrician, one might assume it was copper due to it's high value.

The "lunch pail" method of removing "stuff" from a work site or company has been around as long as lunch pails and why some companies check them when people are clocking out for the day.

 

[hot cawfeee]

IMO I think letters were left, I didn't think this in the past but the silence is making me wonder now. I think that family knows what was going on in their life and of course are keeping it private, whatever it may be, money,pills,fighting,etc. I don't know.
IMO I think IM is the only one who knows the whole truth at this point.
It could be anything, but I was reading the old posts from NCNY and IMO it looks like he was telling us at one point but for some reason now nobody is saying anything and another verified family member has not come here to pick up where he left off. I just wonder why there is so much silence now.

am with you Mom-Dragon---I was the one who started the whole letter thing (LOL)---I think letters were left for the children and he was there that day to do just that---it was a pre-arranged time IM was not to be home so RM could do what he needed, get his things.