NY NY - Robert Mayer, 46, Dix Hills, 14 Jun 2013 - # 9

[hot cawfeee]

I really don't think it would be disabled that fast. Why wouldn't they just take the phone with him on termination?

I think it may depend on the "circumstances" an employee leaves under---also they may not have alot of phones to go around. Mr C's former boss (as recent as 3 months ago) begged him to keep his work phone so they "could stay in touch"-lol--Mr C gave phone, charger, ear piece and car phone charger aaalllllllllllback-lol

 

[hot cawfeee]

I've thought about suicide - but I think his body would have been found by now.

I've thought about him running away - but if it was just to get away from IM, I think he would have made contact with his kids by now (or filed for divorce or something). I just think it's totally abnormal for somebody to just straight up disappear for 3 months with nothing. Think about how hard that would be for you to do!

UNLESS, you were in trouble and didn't want trouble knocking on your door OR you were on some drugs or something that made you just simply not care anymore.

IMO this would explain a loving father/husband/son leaving, to protect his family. And i believe its a combination of trouble/drugs.

I thought about the possibility of suicide--- not to be morbid but I would think RM would have had left for his family important paper work (insurance, burial info, lawyer contact, will) and made his remains locatable. So a burial could take place quickly and any necessary paperwork be filed so the family is financially provided for. I'm sorry guys--trying to be delicate.

 

[hot cawfeee]

That big house with all those taxes. Yeah, somebody had a Tony Soprano Stash and took off with it. Hence the manhunt.:twocents:

Am fixating on that garage-------I think there is alot more there than we know of---and to repeat myself yet again--is it considered seperate space from the living space of the home? I am thinking of search warrants.
Random question---is there a drain in garage? How about a slop sink?

 

[hot cawfeee]

I know that a lot of Amtrak's tracks are fenced, but are the LIRR tracks fenced?
If so, in he rural areas too? TIA

not all McSpy from what I can see------there are also shanty towns that run parallel to LIRR.

 

[hot cawfeee]

Because they are holding the car for processing really doesn't point in any one single direction. It really doesn't. It could be for any number of reasons already discussed. But I'll admit, I don't know the reason and it shouldn't be assumed it is due to foul play or otherwise. But it is intriguing.

Was the source reliable to begin with? IMO that has been a big part of the problem. LE chose, for whatever reason, not to comment thus far, other than they don't have evidence of foul play. But because of their lack of input, IM or rather the spouse of the person missing is destroyed yet she is searching for answers herself. And to carry on with her children also missing their dad. Of course accounts will change. Can anyone really account for what happened at 8:43 yesterday morning? 3:00 yesterday afternoon?

I challenge anyone who has lost someone to be....normal.....and realistic. I have seen little of that.

Force Ten---- I think what is questioned most is the unwillingness to answer basic questions that would help to find a missing man. We have asked of IM various questions and were given silence. Do I personally question what IM has done? Yes I do--I question alot of it. But this isnt about me and what I am thinking. Since she is the one controlling information--she can stop any searching going on. That has not been done. Is RM missing? According to IM--yes he is. How do help find him? Silence.
So maybe the idea is for him to remain "missing"--i.e. staying where he is, doing what he is doing.

 

[Codger]

In Ida's own words, the $300 was minimal. To her it's minimal, maybe not to Rob. To most other people it isn't minimal. And even if you are wealthy enough and don't really need the money, a quick trip to the scrap yard for $300 of pure profit from scrap that wasn't yours to begin with is a decent score in my opinion. $300 for 30 minutes work! Again, it wasn't $10, it was $300. Even if you're well off, $300 extra spending cash would be nice. Gas money, beer money, something ida wasnt aware of money, lobsters and oysters money.....you get the drift.

I've taken this "minimal transaction" quote a bit differently. I thought it might be minimal compared to the amount he usually got. That would be IF this were a regular thing he did. JMO

 

[hot cawfeee]

I was thinking "minimal transaction" as the most allowed without showing ID. Or the amount allowable for a private person rather than a company or contractor selling. I'd think Arrow and all scrap yards need to account from what they buy and have alot of explaining to do generally. If "some guy" comes in frequently to sell it may appear like he is stealing from random sites or an employer or himself and marking that down as theft (to take a loss on taxes).

 

[Curious Cathy]

Because they are holding the car for processing really doesn't point in any one single direction. It really doesn't. It could be for any number of reasons already discussed. But I'll admit, I don't know the reason and it shouldn't be assumed it is due to foul play or otherwise. But it is intriguing.

Was the source reliable to begin with? IMO that has been a big part of the problem. LE chose, for whatever reason, not to comment thus far, other than they don't have evidence of foul play. But because of their lack of input, IM or rather the spouse of the person missing is destroyed yet she is searching for answers herself. And to carry on with her children also missing their dad. Of course accounts will change. Can anyone really account for what happened at 8:43 yesterday morning? 3:00 yesterday afternoon?

I challenge anyone who has lost someone to be....normal.....and realistic. I have seen little of that.

Well, I do sense that she may be scratching her head like the rest of us, and yes, she would be too frazzled to give perfect accounts of what happened. I just feel that information was withheld for the sake of privacy and in my opinion, it did not help the cause to find him. Everyone knows the longer you wait, the harder it is to find someone. I would rather have seen more information about secret dealings with people she did not like or approve of so that it can be persued. Nothing was thrown out there, maybe for the sake of the kids. Maybe she told police stuff she did not tell the public. What is there to protect if he is gone? Maybe that is just it, she knows he is gone and she feels that there is no need to drag her family through the mud when she already knows what might have happened and none of it is going to bring him back. She does have to go on, raising her children alone in this gossipy community. We are trying to figure out what happened here and we are not going to until we get more information. She chose to not let all the information out and I think it is not a good choice when looking for someone. You shut down the people who are trying to help and lock out the questions
and eventually nobody wants to help anymore and the case goes cold. Maybe LE knows he left.

 

[Codger]

I thought about the possibility of suicide--- not to be morbid but I would think RM would have had left for his family important paper work (insurance, burial info, lawyer contact, will) and made his remains locatable. So a burial could take place quickly and any necessary paperwork be filed so the family is financially provided for. I'm sorry guys--trying to be delicate.

IIRC there was some comment about no paperwork / documents missing from the home. So I would think all you mentioned was left there for the family. Is it still typical for life insurance policies to not pay out if a death is ruled suicide? As in does it have to be accidental death or due to health reasons or I don't know the word, routine death? If that's how it works (trust me I really don't know) it could be 1 reason for him to not want to be found + if he were found too soon, to not have any ID on his person (thinking if he went some distance away, delay or prevent identification). I hope this is not the case. I hope he took off with a Soprano Stash + is sipping margaritas on a tropical beach somewhere. JMO

 

[Force Ten]

Force Ten---- I think what is questioned most is the unwillingness to answer basic questions that would help to find a missing man. We have asked of IM various questions and were given silence. Do I personally question what IM has done? Yes I do--I question alot of it. But this isnt about me and what I am thinking. Since she is the one controlling information--she can stop any searching going on. That has not been done. Is RM missing? According to IM--yes he is. How do help find him? Silence.

If I recall, she answered many questions that were asked but MANY that were asked were also intrusive or just absurd. So to be disrespected in the midst of her husband missing....I don't think she had the time or strength to entertain peoples silly games. Scores of fliers were posted everywhere and many searches done. She wasn't silent at all as she was assisting in those areas as what needed to be done. Maybe in the end she is relying on police work.

 

[Trackergd]

I have an idea if someone here who has the extra time feels like doing some snooping...

We know that RM's car was found at the station and the date. Were any other cars found abandoned as the station in that time frame and towed to an impound yard? If so, was it ever claimed? If so, who owned the car and can a connection be made to RM?

 

[Trackergd]

If I recall, she answered many questions that were asked but MANY that were asked were also intrusive or just absurd. So to be disrespected in the midst of her husband missing....I don't think she had the time or strength to entertain peoples silly games. Scores of fliers were posted everywhere and many searches done. She wasn't silent at all as she was assisting in those areas as what needed to be done. Maybe in the end she is relying on police work.

I am entertaining the thought that LE is also controlling what is being released by IM, in short she is being "coached" to a degree. It is quite obvious that LE is controlling SAR and Parks with regard to information release, I can't see why they would not also be controlling what IM is releasing. It would seem to point to LE knowing far more than what they are "sharing" with the public and concern on their part that too much meddling would endanger either the case or the family. I have three cases right now where I have offered to review footprint and SAR gathered evidence and LE responding back that legalities prevent them from sharing the evidence. Seems to be a trend.

 

[Curious Cathy]

I thought about the possibility of suicide--- not to be morbid but I would think RM would have had left for his family important paper work (insurance, burial info, lawyer contact, will) and made his remains locatable. So a burial could take place quickly and any necessary paperwork be filed so the family is financially provided for. I'm sorry guys--trying to be delicate.

Life Insurance does not pay out if you commit suicide.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Force Ten---- I think what is questioned most is the unwillingness to answer basic questions that would help to find a missing man. We have asked of IM various questions and were given silence. Do I personally question what IM has done? Yes I do--I question alot of it. But this isnt about me and what I am thinking. Since she is the one controlling information--she can stop any searching going on. That has not been done. Is RM missing? According to IM--yes he is. How do help find him? Silence.
So maybe the idea is for him to remain "missing"--i.e. staying where he is, doing what he is doing.

It is my opinion that she knows it would be a fruitless endeavor to search for him.

A few week ago things just completely shut down. I think LE gave her an update.

JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Life insurance does indeed pay our for suicides, depending upon when it was purchased and the terms of the policy. You can't buy insurance and then just kill yourself, but policies have "waiting periods" so to speak, so that if a certain number of years have passed since purchased, it will pay out.

But I think you would need a body and a cause/manner of death. I also think it is a mistake to assume that suicidal people worry about these details all the time.

JMO

 

[Clemenza]

Life Insurance does not pay out if you commit suicide.

YES IT DOES!!!!!! Every company is different. My policy has a 2 year clause in which if I had committed suicide during the first 2 years of ownership, there would be no benefit. If I commit suicide today my wife gets paid. Stop your shouting!!

 

[Eileen730]

I thought about the possibility of suicide--- not to be morbid but I would think RM would have had left for his family important paper work (insurance, burial info, lawyer contact, will) and made his remains locatable. So a burial could take place quickly and any necessary paperwork be filed so the family is financially provided for. I'm sorry guys--trying to be delicate.

What about the possibility of going to jail?
Not saying he broke the law but if he did I can totally understand the vanishing act! Jmo

 

[Clemenza]

Life insurance does indeed pay our for suicides, depending upon when it was purchased and the terms of the policy. You can't buy insurance and then just kill yourself, but policies have "waiting periods" so to speak, so that if a certain number of years have passed since purchased, it will pay out.

But I think you would need a body and a cause/manner of death. I also think it is a mistake to assume that suicidal people worry about these details all the time.

JMO

Without a body, you can petition the court with "reasonable evidence" for a death certificate. If the court rules in your favor, you can make a claim for benefits.

 

[Drib]

Because they are holding the car for processing really doesn't point in any one single direction. It really doesn't. It could be for any number of reasons already discussed. But I'll admit, I don't know the reason and it shouldn't be assumed it is due to foul play or otherwise. But it is intriguing.

Was the source reliable to begin with? IMO that has been a big part of the problem. LE chose, for whatever reason, not to comment thus far, other than they don't have evidence of foul play. But because of their lack of input, IM or rather the spouse of the person missing is destroyed yet she is searching for answers herself. And to carry on with her children also missing their dad. Of course accounts will change. Can anyone really account for what happened at 8:43 yesterday morning? 3:00 yesterday afternoon?

I challenge anyone who has lost someone to be....normal.....and realistic. I have seen little of that.

The discrepancies don't bother me. I agree knowing every little detail on a good day is difficult forget under stress. I do think that the only reason she isn't maybe giving a ton of info is because of her past. It's embarassing, not something probably even relevant but those skeletons come pouring out at times like this unfortunately. I think that is the reason for lack of background info, nothing else. I think this case is way more simple than some are making it out to be.

 

[xheraldina]

Life Insurance does not pay out if you commit suicide.

Each life insurance policy is different, but most contain a suicide provision. The suicide provision states that if the person covered by the life insurance policy dies as the result of suicide within two years from the policy issue date then any beneficiaries would not be able to collect the death benefit. Otherwise, after the two year suicide provision period, the policy should pay the death benefit to the beneficiaries. But, again, check the policy's exclusions section, since the suicide provision can be different for each policy.


http://personalinsure.about.com/od/faq1/f/lifefaq5.htm

I don't think for a second that he committed suicide!
:moo: