NY - Search for escaped convicted killers, David Sweat & Richard Matt, Dannemora #5

[Momoffourboys]

Million dollar question!!! What in the world could be so bad or so enticing to cooperate with this escape and help them in any way?? Surely those involved knew what an escape of this magnitude was going to do!

IMO For Tillie it was the attention and excitement. It brought a little zing to her mundane life. Not to mention...well, ya know.

 

[faw720]

Not to make light of this serious situation, but there's no shortage of humor in the circumstances surrounding this elaborate escapade :giggle: Last night, DH and I were talking about parody lyrics for "How Are Things in Glocca Morra?" (from Finian's Rainbow) and Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock". Today is our 44th wedding anniversary, and we are going to a matinee ballgame (Detroit Tigers/Chicago White Sox) followed by dinner at our favorite downtown restaurant. There's rain in the forecast, so I'm armed with pen and paper and will head to a lounge where I can watch the game on a monitor and work on the songs. Your contributions/suggested are most welcome

We have to keep a sense of humor or otherwise we would go nuts. This escapade has gone on for so long with so many twists & turns that it is ridiculous. Maybe if all of us would go for a 2 week vacation on a private Caribbean island resort, no communication from the outside world allowed, we could then come back home to find that this whole mess is over & finished.

 

[epiphany]

GGE: Isn't that PA??

 

[epiphany]

Clinton County Correctional Facility (PA) NOT Clinton Correctional Facility (Dannemora, NY)

 

[Dr. Watson]

They were on a special program learning maintenance at the prison. They were given tools and access to the catwalks to do work on them with contracted people. they were practically outside the minute they started that job after going back there.
In regards to the fabric guitar case, it was flexible and held a lot of things and looks like it was used as a suitcase for all the tools. it had to be dragged through maybe between them, or tied to them. Most likely pushed along the tunnel. They needed it to cut the final lock/chain to the sewer. It probably also served as a carry all for clothing, food etc.

They were probably given the pliers etc because they were part of the program and the CO probably thought nothing of it. Getting through the brick wall is still pretty mind boggling, the one after the catwalks. I sent a link to what an acoustic guitar case looks like.
http://phitz.com/products/acoustic-guitar-case-original-fabric-ph72505fsa-burgundy-velvet
Just a theory FWIW

 

[1&2&3]

Have we heard how many convicts are in that Honor cell block?

The guys on either side of M & S had to know what was going on. JMO

 

[epiphany]

Warden NOT fired in Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, NY

Warden was fired in Clinton County Correctional Facility, which is in Lock Haven, PA

 

[Bravo]

Not to make light of this serious situation, but there's no shortage of humor in the circumstances surrounding this elaborate escapade :giggle: Last night, DH and I were talking about parody lyrics for "How Are Things in Glocca Morra?" (from Finian's Rainbow) and Elvis' "Jailhouse Rock". Today is our 44th wedding anniversary, and we are going to a matinee ballgame (Detroit Tigers/Chicago White Sox) followed by dinner at our favorite downtown restaurant. There's rain in the forecast, so I'm armed with pen and paper and will head to a lounge where I can watch the game on a monitor and work on the songs. Your contributions/suggested are most welcome

Happy 44th Wedding Anniversary!!! Enjoy your day! And hope the rain stays away so u can enjoy Comerica. Heading to Greektown? LOL I always appreciated your suggestion when I attended the Bob Bashara Trial in Detroit. Pegasus in Greektown was delish. Hope to get back there this summer. Not so good here with songs but I keep thinking of a movie since this case broke. "Not driving with Miss Tillie"

 

[GGE]

I have to delete my post, it's about a different prison, OOPS, my big mistake of the day! Time to take a break I guess! SORRY GUYS!

 

[GGE]

Thank you epiphany, I had to go do damage control on twitter less than 60 seconds after posting 2 tweets. Holy cow that blew things up. Fact checking - it is my friend. No more Butterfingers for GGE, she's being punished.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Just a quick question on the hamburger helper. Tilly smuggled in blades, they could not have been for the pipe or the brick wall, so these blades cut through the quarter inch of steel in their cells? Is this the theory?
Must have taken a while those holes are fairly big, and where did all the filings go? This is the file in the cake story, without the cake.

 

[Dreamwanderer]

So when someone is arrested in a case we can sleuth them, so I'm sleuthing Mr. Palmer right now in order to get his address so I can see the proximity to the Subway and perhaps look at maps a bit. Might as well share the info here since I'm sure I'm not the only one doing this. It says 60 Reservoir Rd, Cadyville, NY (right off of 26). http://www.homes.com/property/60-reservoir-rd-cadyville-ny-12918/id-400019106507/ - it's on a 9 acre lot. So I guess the woods he burned some paintings in was probably on his own property (but don't know for sure)... not going anywhere with this just sleuthing. feel free to join me!

Yeah, I had looked up the address a day earlier and that's how I knew it was on a road that the Subway is also on in a comment here earlier. I just wasn't sure what the rules here were on posting that kind of stuff. I thought maybe personal information from someone who possibly didn't know about an escape plan might be against the rules or at least in bad taste.

 

[Greater Than]

JMO probably easier to bring them in on his person and just not go thru metal detectors than go into an area he wasn't usually in, remove tools from someplace they were expected to remain, carry them thru the prison to their cells unnoticed, then return them to that location without anyone questioning anything.

JMO. If it was as simple as "he's just fixing the fuse" then I'd think he WOULD get prison issue tools for the guys to use, though... it does make it seem like there was more to it doesn't it....

But here's the thing, if all inmates on the honor block have hot plates and refrigerators etc, and Palmer's own attorney said on AC last night that they all rig their cells by hot wiring electricity from a box in the catwalk, where and how did the other inmates get tools to do it?

If it's so common, why did Palmer bring his own personal tools for them and then take those tools back home? I have to think it's because he knew more about their plan than he's claiming. Couldn't he have provided his own tools and then gotten those tools out of there so his fingerprints or record of him accessing prison tools wouldn't be linked to him?

 

[cpaul]

I think the DA has said the Tillie saw was used by Matt for his cell and a power tool was used for Sweats cell. Interwiew, no link.

I'd guess the chisel was used for the brick wall. I think an old wall, if it was an old wall with old mortar might be easy to get through and easier than cell wall and pipe.

 

[cpaul]

I would like to know more about the drill bit. Metal or masonry bit?

 

[cpaul]

I don't think a maintenance worker would have access to cellblocks without a CO escort.
An inmate would risk detection trying to bring contraband back from his work area to his cellblock.
A CO it seems would be able to do it more easily.

 

[cpaul]

Wouldn't it be funny if the warden had a Matt painting hanging in his office!

 

[cady]

I can see Tillie, in her fantasy, helping w the escape but I can't for the life of me see what was in it for GP!!!! All I can think, is blackmailing him for his indiscretions. JMO

 

[Boodles]

They were on a special program learning maintenance at the prison. They were given tools and access to the catwalks to do work on them with contracted people. they were practically outside the minute they started that job after going back there.
In regards to the fabric guitar case, it was flexible and held a lot of things and looks like it was used as a suitcase for all the tools. it had to be dragged through maybe between them, or tied to them. Most likely pushed along the tunnel. They needed it to cut the final lock/chain to the sewer. It probably also served as a carry all for clothing, food etc.

They were probably given the pliers etc because they were part of the program and the CO probably thought nothing of it. Getting through the brick wall is still pretty mind boggling, the one after the catwalks. I sent a link to what an acoustic guitar case looks like.
http://phitz.com/products/acoustic-guitar-case-original-fabric-ph72505fsa-burgundy-velvet
Just a theory FWIW

Who was on a special program? Not Matt/Sweat from what I have read. Also, is it fact about a fabric guitar case?

Link please.

 

[Bravo]

Wouldn't it be funny if the warden had a Matt painting hanging in his office!

LMAO that would be rich