NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #1

[Saracen]

So, three scenarios?

She got out of the car and ran, off on her own, never to be seen again

She got out of the car and ran... into another kind of trouble, never to be seen again

OR

She never got out of the car and ran

Also was she running away from the b/f, or because of him?, meaning had they had a row, or had he threatened her?..

 

[Dushi]

Also was she running away from the b/f, or because of him?, meaning had they had a row, or had he threatened her?..

BF says they argued and she threw her glasses against the dashboard at 6PM

 

[Saracen]

BF says they argued and she threw her glasses against the dashboard at 6PM

But the point i am making is that if it was more than a lovers tiff, and she felt threatened with violence, she would be more liable to grab a ride with anyone, hence more likely to thumb a lift, instead of running in rage, she would be running in blind panic..

 

[Dushi]

But the point i am making is that if it was more than a lovers tiff, and she felt threatened with violence, she would be more liable to grab a ride with anyone, hence more likely to thumb a lift, instead of running in rage, she would be running in blind panic..

Yes of course, I understand your point
As there was only one witness to this, we will never know

We really have nothing that points to anything in particular other than thoughts and feelings at this point

With only that, we have very narrow margins to speculate within

As you know, we need facts and without facts we need a VI

As epiphany said, its all just speculation even if the info given is accurate ( not doubting anyone, just saying..)
Its still hearsay without a VI

It limits what we can speculate on as well

 

[Odyssey]

Ok, so she could have ducked into the shopping center (if she felt threatened)? Any parks, places to take a stroll near there? Places where kids and young adults would hang out? -Bars? Are there neighborhoods nearby or just highways because it is a shopping mall?

Maybe she called a friend because of her state of mind? Someone to talk to?

I don't recall any bars, there was a big Holiday Inn hotel nearby and there was probably a lounge/bar in there, but I can't remember any dive bars or anything. There was only 1 highway nearby that I can remember, the 440. Richmond Avenue was just like a typical boulevard with grocery stores, drug stores, a toys r us, the mall, banks, etc. I think the Staten Island landfill was across Richmond Avenue in the 80's but I'm not sure if it was there in 1975 or not. I also seem to recall that the 'back end' of the dump faced Richmond Avenue, the entrance to the dump was on a different street. You would get a whiff of it driving by though.

My memory is kind of fuzzy, I haven't lived there since 1985.

 

[epiphany]

Breaker Breaker

:Here is the overriding reason why she was described as depressed.
Three days prior to her disappearance, Sylvia Lwowski had a pool party at her parents house (she lived there, too). She invited her girlfriends.

Her Dad, who had been a life long army man, talented chef, and an acrobat who could impress many with his manuevers of strength and dexterity, also enjoyed a cool one every now and then. Like any proud father, Syvlia's Dad wanted to make an appearance at the party - or at least - to simply say hi.[[[Please remember, the following has most likely been distorted by police and the BF, in ways to promote their evil methods))))))

Well, as the party advanced thorugh the first few hours, Sylvia Lwowski's dad made his appearance. He started doing tricks for the girls, walking on his hands, doing flips into the pool etc. Perhaps after a few Pabst Blue Ribbons, the show wasn't as entertaining as it should have been - or at least, could have been.

Sylvia Lwowski thought this, at least. She was embarrassed. Her father had embarrassed her. Ever since then - between the pool party and her disappearance (THREE DAYS) she did not talk to her father... they did not speak.

She obvi confided this tale to her BF ....So now we know - concretely why she is described as depressed.
As it turns

Sylvia confided this "tale" to her fiance which is why she is described as depressed in the PR?

Her Mother filed the PR, and it would be she who described her as depressed (Though her fiance may have later, as well.).

Her girlfriends who attended the pool party & observed the events, may have also described her as recently depressed.

Her father's behavior at the pool party may have contributed to her mental state being described as depressed by more than just her fiance.

 

[epiphany]

Breaker Breaker I of III

X. Sylvia Lwowski and her bf did not live together.

XI. Details remain unclear re glasses, but there is nothing foggy, hazy, or misty about the following statements:
XII. BF picked up Sylvia Lwowski at 5>30 p.m. (at her home) - the two were going to see a film - start time between 6.15 - 7 p.m.

XIII. Sylvia Lwowski and her bf were dating each other for about eighteen to twenty-four months prior to the event. (The following is an opinion: Not really a long time. Heck, I dated my last girlfriend for 4.5 years, and it all seems like nothing... we broke up in the end - sorry if flirting with OT).

XIV. BF returned to Sylvia's parents house (her house) at 10:30 p.m [....::::: WINDOW...:::::...] [:::::::.....WINDOW.....:::::::] [::::ESTABLISHED....::::::...]


Xv. Upon hearing this - Sylvia Lwowski's mom jumped in her car - and cruised up to the mall. She was driving arounf and around , and around that Mall area/section in order to possibly find Sylvia. {NOTE: Isn't this odd - why isn't the bf doing this -or at least following - helping out, pitching in - representing a positive force.

Respectfully BBM

You state that Sylvia and her BF had been dating between 18-24 mo.'s prior to her disappearance.

When did they become engaged?

Can you provide a source with date of the newspaper engagement announcement?

IF she became pregnant supposedly for the second time in 18-24 mo.'s, she may have been adamant about not terminating a second pregnancy, particularly since they were engaged. Additionally, there is a short time period (18-24 mo.'s) between supposed pregnancies.

However, not necessarily the end-of-the-world (within the family) to be pregnant at 22 yo, with a college diploma (Not confirmed either.), and engaged to be married in 1975 NYC.

Therefore, did either or both of Sylvia's parents know about her supposed first pregnancy? Or hear about a second one after she disappeared?

 

[Dushi]

Respectfully BBM

You state that Sylvia and her BF had been dating between 18-24 mo.'s prior to her disappearance.

When did they become engaged?

Can you provide a source with date of the newspaper engagement announcement?

IF she became pregnant (supposedly for the second time) in 18-24 mo.'s, she may have been adamant about not terminating a second pregnancy, particularly since they were engaged, in addition to the brief time period (18-24 mo.'s) between supposed pregnancies.
However, not necessarily the end-of-the-world (within the family) to be pregnant at 22 yo, with a college diploma (Not confirmed either.), and engaged to be married in 1975 NYC.

Therefore, did either or both of Sylvia's parents know about her supposed first pregnancy? Or hear about a second one after she disappeared?

I have had this thought over and over

She may have been upset with dads behavior , but another pregnancy especially if unwanted, by one of them ,would be great cause for depression

 

[alliemay]

But the point i am making is that if it was more than a lovers tiff, and she felt threatened with violence, she would be more liable to grab a ride with anyone, hence more likely to thumb a lift, instead of running in rage, she would be running in blind panic..

That's true but I think if she were running from fear, she would have told the person who picked her up. Maybe or not ?

 

[Dushi]

That's true but I think if she were running from fear, she would have told the person who picked her up. Maybe or not ?

Yes i do
But , who knows what may have happened
It would only matter if this new person had good intentions

 

[Dushi]

Sylvia confided this "tale" to her fiance which is why she is described as depressed in the PR?

Her Mother filed the PR, and it would be she who described her as depressed (Though her fiance may have later, as well.).

Her girlfriends who attended the pool party & observed the events, may have also described her as recently depressed.

Her father's behavior at the pool party may have contributed to her mental state being described as depressed by more than just her fiance.

very good point

 

[Dushi]

Giving this case a lot of thought
Its a huge mystery, one I would love to sink my teeth into

I have complete trust in the poster who brought me here.. I am not personally doubting anything

However...

There are a few things I need to know

How is this listed in the police blotter/cold case file? Crime or runaway?
Has there ever been a person of interest named?

I personally do not want to incriminate an innocent person, destroy a reputation , based on others opinions or feelings

I am crossing the line PERSONALLY on this

I simply need assurance in the form of facts, facts that are acceptable to the forum


Again, I do not doubt the source, but is it acceptable to WS?

 

[Odyssey]

It looks like she has a brother who lives on Long Island. We aren't allowed to post names of living people but he may have the suffix of Jr added to the end of his name.

 

[Dushi]

It looks like she has a brother who lives on Long Island. We aren't allowed to post names of living people but he may have the suffix of Jr added to the end of his name.

Yes, she has a brother and it would be wonderful if he joined us as a VI

 

[Odyssey]

Giving this case a lot of thought
Its a huge mystery, one I would love to sink my teeth into

I have complete trust in the poster who brought me here.. I am not personally doubting anything

However...

There are a few things I need to know

How is this listed in the police blotter/cold case file? Crime or runaway?
Has there ever been a person of interest named?

I personally do not want to incriminate an innocent person, destroy a reputation , based on others opinions or feelings

I am crossing the line PERSONALLY on this

I simply need assurance in the form of facts, facts that are acceptable to the forum


Again, I do not doubt the source, but is it acceptable to WS?

I don't think I've ever heard of an adult being listed as a runaway.

 

[Dushi]

I don't think I've ever heard of an adult being listed as a runaway.

LOL excellent point

I guess the question is.. is her disappearance considered a crime?

I don't recall ever hearing that either
What would the term be?

Missing because she wants to
Missing because someone else wants her gone:banghead:

 

[Odyssey]

LOL excellent point

I guess the question is.. is her disappearance considered a crime?

I don't recall ever hearing that either
What would the term be?

Missing because she wants to
Missing because someone else wants her gone:banghead:

the categories I've seen for adults are:

Missing - Endangered (Foul play suspected)
Missing - Unknown Circumstances
Missing - Voluntary
Lost/Injured (last seen getting swept into the ocean by a wave or last seen jumping from a bridge, or other presumed accident)

 

[Dushi]

the categories I've seen for adults are:

Missing - Endangered (Foul play suspected)
Missing - Unknown Circumstances
Missing - Voluntary
Lost/Injured (last seen getting swept into the ocean by a wave or last seen jumping from a bridge)

OK Thanks

So
Does the cold case file list it as Missing Voluntary
OR

Unknown circumstances ( i doubt, circumstances seem clear)
OR
Endangered

 

[Dushi]

Missing voluntary and runaway seem very similar to me

You know............. wanted to disappear

 

[Odyssey]

OK Thanks

So
Does the cold case file list it as Missing Voluntary
OR

Unknown circumstances ( i doubt, circumstances seem clear)
OR
Endangered

It looks like the main 3 sites for missing persons just list her as "Missing", meaning "Unknown Circumstances".

Although after this long, I think it should be re-evaluated. People who go missing voluntarily take at least an overnight bag... generally, anyway...