NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #2

[Dushi]

Thanks Dushi,

Rehashing this makes me go to a sad place. My emotions are raw for many reasons this just adds to it.

The same week my husband died one of my good friends died also and I was not able to attend her service. I also have several close friends now battling cancer. This is like opening old wounds. Does not take much these days for many memories to run down my cheek.

I am answering as best I can remember. Some are really vivid memories and others are a bit foggy. I can't help but go to a dark place when reliving these memories. Other memories make me smile. Like working together on summer jobs. Slumber parties, mall hopping. Collecting sea life for her salt water tank. Our dogs having puppies. Those were good memories. I'd like to keep them fresh in my mind too. I guess that is the hand I have had to play as there are NO "do-overs" in life. Who's to say my life would have been any different? I'll never know. What I do know is, that I did the best I could with it. I can't go back. Look forward and keep reading my bible. God Promised us if we are born again, accept him into our hearts and believe that he is our Lord and Savior we will have everlasting life. If anyone is in doubt of their future just read the Book Of John. It's all in there. AND if you really want a jolt of reality read Revelation the last book of the bible.

You do not need to apologise for anything MMQC
Your help here has been immeasurable
If it becomes too much, everyone will certainly understand
I know you have had your share of things to deal with
I really do not want to think of you being sad, and i certainly know that none of us would want to add to your sadness

Do what you are comfortable with and nothing more
Finding a peaceful place within ourselves is important

I am glad that some of the memories have made you smile

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Thanks Dushi,

Rehashing this makes me go to a sad place. My emotions are raw for many reasons this just adds to it.

The same week my husband died one of my good friends died also and I was not able to attend her service. I also have several close friends now battling cancer. This is like opening old wounds. Does not take much these days for many memories to run down my cheek.

I am answering as best I can remember. Some are really vivid memories and others are a bit foggy. I can't help but go to a dark place when reliving these memories. Other memories make me smile. Like working together on summer jobs. Slumber parties, mall hopping. Collecting sea life for her salt water tank. Our dogs having puppies. Those were good memories. I'd like to keep them fresh in my mind too. I guess that is the hand I have had to play as there are NO "do-overs" in life. Who's to say my life would have been any different? I'll never know. What I do know is, that I did the best I could with it. I can't go back. Look forward and keep reading my bible. God Promised us if we are born again, accept him into our hearts and believe that he is our Lord and Savior we will have everlasting life. If anyone is in doubt of their future just read the Book Of John. It's all in there. AND if you really want a jolt of reality read Revelation the last book of the bible.

That's more than anyone should have to go through at one time, MMQC. I'm sorry for all of you have had to endure.

 

[epiphany]

She did not tell parents.

Who provided this information to her Mother once Sylvia disappeared?

If she wasn't told about it, her Mother may have discovered this information and more about Sylvia through letters exchanged between Sylvia & her military BF.

If she learned of this past event, Mother and/or hired PI may also have made contact with S's military BF after she disappeared.

 

[epiphany]

I remember seeing it. I have been challenged by DeerHunter. He does not remember it. Some things when you are a kid make a big impression and seeing that did make a big impression on me. I really did not know what it meant till I was older. It was not bold and with a tanned arm looked sort of like the blue of veins. But it was surely a number. I can't say if I asked about it or was found stairing at it once. But I do remember seeing it. I might have even talked to SL about it. Not sure about that though.

Was Sylvia's Mother ever held at one of the Auschwitz camps:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/tattoos1.html

The Auschwitz Concentration Camp Complex (including Auschwitz 1, AuschwitzBirkenau, and Monowitz) was the only location in which prisoners were systematically tattooed during the Holocaust.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007056

During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex, which consisted of Auschwitz I (Main Camp), Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau), and Auschwitz III (Monowitz and the subcamps).

 

[Jmoose]

Thanks Dushi,

Rehashing this makes me go to a sad place. My emotions are raw for many reasons this just adds to it.

The same week my husband died one of my good friends died also and I was not able to attend her service. I also have several close friends now battling cancer. This is like opening old wounds. Does not take much these days for many memories to run down my cheek.

I am answering as best I can remember. Some are really vivid memories and others are a bit foggy. I can't help but go to a dark place when reliving these memories. Other memories make me smile. Like working together on summer jobs. Slumber parties, mall hopping. Collecting sea life for her salt water tank. Our dogs having puppies. Those were good memories. I'd like to keep them fresh in my mind too. I guess that is the hand I have had to play as there are NO "do-overs" in life. Who's to say my life would have been any different? I'll never know. What I do know is, that I did the best I could with it. I can't go back. Look forward and keep reading my bible. God Promised us if we are born again, accept him into our hearts and believe that he is our Lord and Savior we will have everlasting life. If anyone is in doubt of their future just read the Book Of John. It's all in there. AND if you really want a jolt of reality read Revelation the last book of the bible.

Thanks, MMQC, for all of your memories of Sylvia-we would all love to help find out what happened to your friend. Please, do only what you can bear to do. We know that your memories of Sylvia from 1975 are sad ones. If it's too difficult, take a break, and come back any time-we don't want you to be sad!

 

[Jmoose]

Who provided this information to her Mother once Sylvia disappeared?

If she wasn't told about it, her Mother may have discovered this information and more about Sylvia through letters exchanged between Sylvia & her military BF.

If she learned of this past event, Mother and/or hired PI may also have made contact with S's military BF after she disappeared.

I don't know that the parents ever found out about this, at least, I don't recall processing that from the other info we have. I did wonder about the former boyfriend, too, though. Like, if there had been any correspondence between Sylvia and him after she and BF/F got engaged. It wasn't as easy then as it is now to find someone after they've moved on, but at the same time, it was easier to contact them without being found out.

 

[epiphany]

I don't know that the parents ever found out about this, at least, I don't recall processing that from the other info we have. I did wonder about the former boyfriend, too, though. Like, if there had been any correspondence between Sylvia and him after she and BF/F got engaged. It wasn't as easy then as it is now to find someone after they've moved on, but at the same time, it was easier to contact them without being found out.

Once Sylvia disappeared, it would be pertinent to divulge this knowledge to Sylvia's Mother. IMO, would be for Sylvia's parents and/or NYPD to decide how relevant, if at all, it would be to S's behavior and the way she managed breakups and endings, arguments, anger, fights, etc.

But no, we don't know if anyone who knew about that decision informed S's parents, or whether or not her parents discovered it from correspondence, from the hired PI, from the military BF (if either parents or PI spoke with him or even knew about her relationship with him), or not at all during their lifetimes.

 

[Cate49]

I agree with you. Not many people disappear without provisions. Truly any person that leaves behind very close family and friends. They did not just up and leave these people behind. The boyfriend is was acting completely strange. What young woman would intentially break glasses especially prescribed glasses. Do any one know if glasses were prescription?

 

[Jmoose]

I agree with you. Not many people disappear without provisions. Truly any person that leaves behind very close family and friends. They did not just up and leave these people behind. The boyfriend is was acting completely strange. What young woman would intentially break glasses especially prescribed glasses. Do any one know if glasses were prescription?

I think I recall reading that they were prescription-info provided by one of the VIs. Doesn't it seem like a strange thing thing to do before bolting from the car? I don't believe she tossed the glasses unless BF/F paid for them and commented on what he has spent on her.

 

[Jmoose]

Once Sylvia disappeared, it would be pertinent to divulge this knowledge to Sylvia's Mother. IMO, would be for Sylvia's parents and/or NYPD to decide how relevant, if at all, it would be to S's behavior and the way she managed breakups and endings, arguments, anger, fights, etc.

But no, we don't know if anyone who knew about that decision informed S's parents, or whether or not her parents discovered it from correspondence, from the hired PI, from the military BF (if either parents or PI spoke with him or even knew about her relationship with him), or not at all during their lifetimes.

I agree, it would make sense to tell the parents at that time-I'm just not sure if they did find out. It's possible that Sylvia was someone who might save correspondence received from others, which the parents subsequently read. Maybe they contacted the former boyfriend-we don't have any information in regard to this man, though.

 

[epiphany]

I agree with you. Not many people disappear without provisions. Truly any person that leaves behind very close family and friends. They did not just up and leave these people behind. The boyfriend is was acting completely strange. What young woman would intentially break glasses especially prescribed glasses. Do any one know if glasses were prescription?

Welcome to Sylvia's thread, Cate!

Respectfully BBM.

Nothing we know of indicates that Sylvia's glasses were broken when/if she threw them that early evening.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Sounds like this couple had a bad argument that evening. SL's glasses were broken in the car. The bf would only say that they had an argument and SL left the car to go to the bus stop. Was this couple engaged? Is that the ring that was given back or taken back?

These two were very young when this happened. I wonder if the bf would talk to someone today? Perhaps he can recall more of the evening after so many years have passed. I'm sure her people still need to know what happened and where she is so they can put this to rest.

So sorry.

Bbm: really good point and question – Would the BF/F be open to that, today, all these years later? --There is retrospect, and I imagine at the very least, regret -- if his story is true. There are family and friends left wondering all these years, later.

I wonder if the cold case detective got any new information when following up on contacts. Or, if not could he try for more details on behalf of the family? Can that line be pursued?

IMO: We are missing pieces of Sylvia’s story. Born in Germany, how old was she when she came to USA? -And does she speak, read, and write in any foreign language (s)? There is the group of friends at the pool party. There is the Wagner group, classmates and musicians. --And, mutual friends and acquaintances of the BF/F. -Connections in other countries? --Military?

If she is alive, the only way I see her as a runaway, would be as a connected runaway. If she had some kind of breakdown and or trauma and someone took care of her. --Perhaps got her out of the country.
If there was no publicity, and she had amnesia, physical or mental, how would she find her way home? She was young when this happened….

 

[MMQC]

Who provided this information to her Mother once Sylvia disappeared?

If she wasn't told about it, her Mother may have discovered this information and more about Sylvia through letters exchanged between Sylvia & her military BF.

If she learned of this past event, Mother and/or hired PI may also have made contact with S's military BF after she disappeared.

I don't believe her mother EVER found out about her pregnancy. As for the old BF? Don't think they ever communicated after that horrific expeience. I told remaining family in hopes that this would give us a different avenue to explore.

 

[MMQC]

Was Sylvia's Mother ever held at one of the Auschwitz camps:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/tattoos1.html

The Auschwitz Concentration Camp Complex (including Auschwitz 1, AuschwitzBirkenau, and Monowitz) was the only location in which prisoners were systematically tattooed during the Holocaust.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007056

During the Holocaust, concentration camp prisoners received tattoos only at one location, the Auschwitz concentration camp complex, which consisted of Auschwitz I (Main Camp), Auschwitz II (Auschwitz-Birkenau), and Auschwitz III (Monowitz and the subcamps).

I don't know anything about where? Just saw tatoo.

 

[MMQC]

Once Sylvia disappeared, it would be pertinent to divulge this knowledge to Sylvia's Mother. IMO, would be for Sylvia's parents and/or NYPD to decide how relevant, if at all, it would be to S's behavior and the way she managed breakups and endings, arguments, anger, fights, etc.

But no, we don't know if anyone who knew about that decision informed S's parents, or whether or not her parents discovered it from correspondence, from the hired PI, from the military BF (if either parents or PI spoke with him or even knew about her relationship with him), or not at all during their lifetimes.

Maybe if given the chance, meaning I was never contacted untill Det. Savage contacted me in 2010. I don't know what the PI found out either. Or if even the PI really did do anything. Most PI's back then were retired NYC. Det. Might have just contacted police and do the same thing as they did...NOTHING and taken the families money for all I know. MOO

 

[Jmoose]

Bbm: really good point and question – Would the BF/F be open to that, today, all these years later? --There is retrospect, and I imagine at the very least, regret -- if his story is true. There are family and friends left wondering all these years, later.

I wonder if the cold case detective got any new information when following up on contacts. Or, if not could he try for more details on behalf of the family? Can that line be pursued?

IMO: We are missing pieces of Sylvia’s story. Born in Germany, how old was she when she came to USA? -And does she speak, read, and write in any foreign language (s)? There is the group of friends at the pool party. There is the Wagner group, classmates and musicians. --And, mutual friends and acquaintances of the BF/F. -Connections in other countries? --Military?

If she is alive, the only way I see her as a runaway, would be as a connected runaway. If she had some kind of breakdown and or trauma and someone took care of her. --Perhaps got her out of the country.
If there was no publicity, and she had amnesia, physical or mental, how would she find her way home? She was young when this happened….

I wonder if he treated the police who may have contacted him in 1975 with the same angry aggression to which he treated MMQC? It would certainly have kept our two VIs from contacting him recently, but I suppose, if the police were so inclined, they might have contacted him. What I think will happen is this: the police will keep this case open forever, they won't discuss it because it's open, and they will never get to the bottom of it because they didn't pursue it 38 years ago.

Is it obvious that I am frustrated?

 

[Odyssey]

I wonder if he treated the police who may have contacted him in 1975 with the same angry aggression to which he treated MMQC? It would certainly have kept our two VIs from contacting him recently, but I suppose, if the police were so inclined, they might have contacted him. What I think will happen is this: the police will keep this case open forever, they won't discuss it because it's open, and they will never get to the bottom of it because they didn't pursue it 38 years ago.

Is it obvious that I am frustrated?

Right there with you, Jmoose! :banghead:

 

[Dushi]

I wonder if BF/F was also contacted in 2010
I also wonder if he had adjusted his attitude after 38 years

 

[Jmoose]

I wonder if BF/F was also contacted in 2010
I also wonder if he had adjusted his attitude after 38 years

Me, too-of course, we will never know, because I don't think the police will give up this info. I can just imagine him saying "why are you bothering me with this, 35 years later?" Hopefully, he has adjusted his attitude, but it's too late to be helpful now.

 

[gajonka]

:rose: Sylvia is our featured cold case from 4/7/2013 to 4/14/2013 :rose:

Thanks - thank you - thanks so much!! ( K, T, and B + (smile)

Obvi, this is also for the heavy hitters we've been able to share cyber-space with,,, the Mega-Sleuths. Thanks for the high level brain waves.

Does anyone know how far Bucks County PA is from the Metro area?

I am assessing thread #2, but , and I know we've been trying to engineer one... if we could employ a map so we could calculate - based upon a set of different figures - the greatest standard deviation which would result - if a trip were taken - a 4.5 hour trip... we can see how far a car could travel in 2+ hours - then return.

Low on the priority list _ and I promise to figure out how to get one up an running.



Respectfully yours - always.

The Gajonka