NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #2

[Jmoose]

I check in a couple of times a day, Skeet, and I assume others do, too. I don't want our Verified Insiders to think that we have lost interest-there just isn't really anything to comment on. I am waiting to see if a reward elicits some additional information, or the police decide to start poking around. I realize that it's been a very long time since Sylvia disappeared, but somebody (or more than one somebody) knows what happened to her-BF/F, Andre Rand, etc. We'll see what happens-maybe the media can shake things up some-ASWDeeHunter, what do you think about that?

 

[rosemadderlake]

As if the idea is a waste>?

Obvi, the petition would represent a list of law abiding citizens who have a specific desire to learn more about what appears to be an INEQUITY of a job which LE is being paid to perform

Perhaps , they can teach us about LAWS... because many close to SYLVIA LWOWSKI already know enough about LOSS>.
**** INEQUITY - the state of being unfair or unjust

Bbm:

I have been reading through some of the other missing person stories and was particularly struck by the two teens Mitchel Fred Weiser, 16, & Bonita Mara Bickwit, 15, Narrowsburg, 27 July 1973 who went missing hitchhiking their way to the giant concert at Watkins Glen NY. These two families had considerable difficulty in getting answers from LE who did very little in 1973 and they lost the original files with the only dental records. -After much publicity over the years, still no answers.
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/feb/featbodies#.UYFr_8o8-uM
NY NY - Mitchel Fred Weiser, 16, & Bonita Mara Bickwit, 15, Narrowsburg, 27 July 1973 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


If LE is in question in 1975 and/or 2010, would The Vidocq Society examine the case? –Just a thought.
http://vidocq.org/index.html

 

[alliemay]

Vidocq society is a good idea, I think either LE has to ask them or a family member, not sure though. I have called them in regards to another case (the box in the box) and they did not return my call.

 

[Angel629]

Vidocq society is a good idea, I think either LE has to ask them or a family member, not sure though. I have called them in regards to another case (the box in the box) and they did not return my call.

Yes, Skeet. According to their website, the request has to come from "the investigating agency". Maybe the current Cold Case detective would be agreeable to this. lease:

 

[Angel629]

Just read about this book today. It was published in '06, but is still available. It sounds very interesting! :lookingitup:

http://www.therestlesssleep.com/?page_id=327

 

[rosemadderlake]

That no official search was conducted in the greenbelt area, Richmond Creek, swamps and golf course is very sad and feels like such a missing piece. --It is not something a citizen can organize easily or effectively without resources, LE, search team, K9 dogs.

As I look at some of the maps of Staten Island, I can imagine the family’s long walks and searches through the greenbelt in the aftermath of Sylvia’s disappearance and throughout the years. That is one place I would have searched as well. How this beautiful place to grow up must have turned into the unknown landscape.

The topography is very marshy especially around Richmond Creek near the mall. -- Was Sylvia running through the back way, the paths, woods, and marshes in an emotional state, in fear, without her glasses, in the dark? Or was she buried there?

The old maps really show the underlying wetlands, marshes and flood zones. It is easy to see how and why the devastation occurred after hurricane Sandy to the shoreline developments built on wetlands. And the maps from the 70’s show the island as positively undeveloped when compared to today. The population doubled in this period of time.

http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/parks_divisions/nrg/forever_wild/pdf/fw-trailmap-17.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/wetlands/Documen...w-York-Valuable-Vanishing-Urban-Wildlands.pdf

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/ser...~1020008:Richmond-County,-Staten-Island---Co#

 

[rosemadderlake]

Yes, Skeet. According to their website, the request has to come from "the investigating agency". Maybe the current Cold Case detective would be agreeable to this. lease:

Yes, exactly- would the current NY cold case detective agree that this case could be helped by an examination of the original investigation by an independent third party organization like The Vidocq Society, with clout, related experience, and connections to help navigate the span of decades, circumstances, international elements, and make recommendations on how to proceed?

There are many complex and sensitive elements to this case. All of the questions asked on this thread have merit (imo) but determining what is relevant, seeing where the ball was dropped or never pursued, working with the pieces that are unknown to this thread, and revisiting the ones that are in the hands of a completely objective case review, may hopefully shed new light and give much needed direction. lease:

 

[Dushi]

Yes, exactly- would the current NY cold case detective agree that this case could be helped by an examination of the original investigation by an independent third party organization like The Vidocq Society, with clout, related experience, and connections to help navigate the span of decades, circumstances, international elements, and make recommendations on how to proceed?

There are many complex and sensitive elements to this case. All of the questions asked on this thread have merit (imo) but determining what is relevant, seeing where the ball was dropped or never pursued, working with the pieces that are unknown to this thread, and revisiting the ones that are in the hands of a completely objective case review, may hopefully shed new light and give much needed direction. lease:

So much more is known now than when we all started.
We have our VIs to thank for that

Hopefully there is someone out there who has read about Sylvia, someone in a position to help...

I also would like to say, like Jmoose and several others, this case has grabbed me.
I check in several times a day and will continue to do so
Miracles happen

 

[Jmoose]

Just read about this book today. It was published in '06, but is still available. It sounds very interesting! :lookingitup:

http://www.therestlesssleep.com/?page_id=327

I have that book, but haven't read it yet! I forgot all about it-you can be sure that I will be reading it soon

 

[Jmoose]

Yes, exactly- would the current NY cold case detective agree that this case could be helped by an examination of the original investigation by an independent third party organization like The Vidocq Society, with clout, related experience, and connections to help navigate the span of decades, circumstances, international elements, and make recommendations on how to proceed?

There are many complex and sensitive elements to this case. All of the questions asked on this thread have merit (imo) but determining what is relevant, seeing where the ball was dropped or never pursued, working with the pieces that are unknown to this thread, and revisiting the ones that are in the hands of a completely objective case review, may hopefully shed new light and give much needed direction. lease:

I cannot imagine why current LE would or should care if Vidocq Society took a look at this case, since they are not interested in pursuing it themselves-I wonder how this might be done?

 

[rosemadderlake]

I cannot imagine why current LE would or should care if Vidocq Society took a look at this case, since they are not interested in pursuing it themselves-I wonder how this might be done?

The million dollar question... By petition? I don't know how NY LE Cold Case Squad works but maybe they would see the potential wisdom in a hard second look because Sylvia's circle of nearest and dearest, academic, and other contacts is diminishing as the decades roll on.

What was the outcome of the cold case review in 2010, I wonder? Was the detective sympathetic or dismissive? If the family has no answers what are the options? If a crime was committed how can it not be investigated? Don't they have an interest in that? The nature of the case changed - there are many runaways but most of them make it home.

 

[alliemay]

That no official search was conducted in the greenbelt area, Richmond Creek, swamps and golf course is very sad and feels like such a missing piece. --It is not something a citizen can organize easily or effectively without resources, LE, search team, K9 dogs.

As I look at some of the maps of Staten Island, I can imagine the family’s long walks and searches through the greenbelt in the aftermath of Sylvia’s disappearance and throughout the years. That is one place I would have searched as well. How this beautiful place to grow up must have turned into the unknown landscape.

The topography is very marshy especially around Richmond Creek near the mall. -- Was Sylvia running through the back way, the paths, woods, and marshes in an emotional state, in fear, without her glasses, in the dark? Or was she buried there?

The old maps really show the underlying wetlands, marshes and flood zones. It is easy to see how and why the devastation occurred after hurricane Sandy to the shoreline developments built on wetlands. And the maps from the 70’s show the island as positively undeveloped when compared to today. The population doubled in this period of time.

http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/parks_divisions/nrg/forever_wild/pdf/fw-trailmap-17.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/wetlands/Documen...w-York-Valuable-Vanishing-Urban-Wildlands.pdf

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/ser...~1020008:Richmond-County,-Staten-Island---Co#

I had wondered IF she did jump out of the car, was it in the parking lot of k-mart or was it at the stop/light. In either of those two incidences would there be any neighborhood back yards she could have ran through? Or like you mentioned the woods and marsh? I also wonder how bad her eyesight was, if like me can barely make anything out without my contacts or glasses. But for some its a only a slight defect in vision. I also wonder who her dentist was, if the whole family went to the same dentist wouldn't they have had some dental record on her? It's just a shame that so many years have passed without more research into this.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I had wondered IF she did jump out of the car, was it in the parking lot of k-mart or was it at the stop/light. In either of those two incidences would there be any neighborhood back yards she could have ran through? Or like you mentioned the woods and marsh? I also wonder how bad her eyesight was, if like me can barely make anything out without my contacts or glasses. But for some its a only a slight defect in vision. I also wonder who her dentist was, if the whole family went to the same dentist wouldn't they have had some dental record on her? It's just a shame that so many years have passed without more research into this.

I think AWSDH said Sylvia had no cavities - and it looks like it too - she does have a beautiful smile with perfect teeth. The eyeglasses is the other recurring question --If she couldn't see without them why would she throw them and break them? Who has the eyeglasses, now? Were they ever returned or recovered?

 

[gajonka]

Please see attached police report and newspaper article re Sylvia's engagement

I have been able to bring in another RINGER to join us.

Thanks again to all Mega-Sleuths... this thread's endowed genius cranks the meter to levels un-charted... until NOW.
There are individuals who are betting against the aforementioned's ability to sustain.

Truly yours,
.g

 

[Jmoose]

I have been able to bring in another RINGER to join us.

Thanks again to all Mega-Sleuths... this thread's endowed genius cranks the meter to levels un-charted... until NOW.
There are individuals who are betting against the aforementioned's ability to sustain.

Truly yours,
.g

Allrighty-like I always tell my children-"talk is cheap-I don't want to hear it, I want to see it". I really want to make some progress here. Where could Sylvia be? What are the possibilities? Do you think she left Staten Island?

 

[Jmoose]

That no official search was conducted in the greenbelt area, Richmond Creek, swamps and golf course is very sad and feels like such a missing piece. --It is not something a citizen can organize easily or effectively without resources, LE, search team, K9 dogs.

As I look at some of the maps of Staten Island, I can imagine the family’s long walks and searches through the greenbelt in the aftermath of Sylvia’s disappearance and throughout the years. That is one place I would have searched as well. How this beautiful place to grow up must have turned into the unknown landscape.

The topography is very marshy especially around Richmond Creek near the mall. -- Was Sylvia running through the back way, the paths, woods, and marshes in an emotional state, in fear, without her glasses, in the dark? Or was she buried there?

The old maps really show the underlying wetlands, marshes and flood zones. It is easy to see how and why the devastation occurred after hurricane Sandy to the shoreline developments built on wetlands. And the maps from the 70’s show the island as positively undeveloped when compared to today. The population doubled in this period of time.

http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/parks_divisions/nrg/forever_wild/pdf/fw-trailmap-17.pdf

http://www.fws.gov/wetlands/Documen...w-York-Valuable-Vanishing-Urban-Wildlands.pdf

http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/ser...~1020008:Richmond-County,-Staten-Island---Co#

Do we know for a fact that LE never searched those places either in 1975 or more recently by the cold case squad? I wonder-maybe they did and just haven't found anything because she isn't there. There are so many places where she could be. Let's suppose, just for the sake of argument, that BF/F did something to her. Suppose then, that he had some help-our 4 or 4 1/2 hour time frame suddenly becomes much more substantial. In other words, BF/F was talking to MMQC, and then on to the Lwowski house, while an associate took care of business. I realize that a secret is hard to keep if you tell someone, but if the person is totally trustworthy, then you're all set.

 

[gajonka]

Do we know for a fact that LE never searched those places either in 1975 or more recently by the cold case squad? I wonder-maybe they did and just haven't found anything because she isn't there. There are so many places where she could be. Let's suppose, just for the sake of argument, that BF/F did something to her. Suppose then, that he had some help-our 4 or 4 1/2 hour time frame suddenly becomes much more substantial. In other words, BF/F was talking to MMQC, and then on to the Lwowski house, while an associate took care of business. I realize that a secret is hard to keep if you tell someone, but if the person is totally trustworthy, then you're all set.

With the Jody Arias Trial winding down, hopefully air time will free up on Tricia's radio show. RIght now, the Arias trial is too big of an event to compete for time with. Once the jury convicts, any additional exposure there should help in raising awareness abt the Sylvia Lwowoski case.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Do we know for a fact that LE never searched those places either in 1975 or more recently by the cold case squad? I wonder-maybe they did and just haven't found anything because she isn't there. There are so many places where she could be. Let's suppose, just for the sake of argument, that BF/F did something to her. Suppose then, that he had some help-our 4 or 4 1/2 hour time frame suddenly becomes much more substantial. In other words, BF/F was talking to MMQC, and then on to the Lwowski house, while an associate took care of business. I realize that a secret is hard to keep if you tell someone, but if the person is totally trustworthy, then you're all set.

--Really good point about secrets – who else, and who else knows what happened to her?

--Back up thread, a VI said the golf course would be one place they would search for a body, so I am guessing no official search was conducted. If Sylvia was not classified as “endangered missing”, would LE have searched for her? --Another question on the list of questions…

 

[Jmoose]

Do we know for a fact that LE never searched those places either in 1975 or more recently by the cold case squad? I wonder-maybe they did and just haven't found anything because she isn't there. There are so many places where she could be. Let's suppose, just for the sake of argument, that BF/F did something to her. Suppose then, that he had some help-our 4 or 4 1/2 hour time frame suddenly becomes much more substantial. In other words, BF/F was talking to MMQC, and then on to the Lwowski house, while an associate took care of business. I realize that a secret is hard to keep if you tell someone, but if the person is totally trustworthy, then you're all set.

Who could one tell a secret like this to, and know the secret is safe? If a person got themself into big trouble, like say, strangling their betrothed, would that person be safe going to their parents? I guess it would depend on what kind of people the parents were-mine would call the police. But what if you had a family that wouldn't let you go to jail, no matter what you did? Then that would be a secret that is safe forever-just ruminating, though...no idea what actually happened here

 

[alliemay]

I am really surprised that some of her friends from college are not on here asking questions.