NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #2

[Dushi]

Regarding the abortion..
I don't recall whether her parents found out about this or not
I recall MMQC saying she went to the clinic with Sylvia
I recall AWSD saying someone, (parents or himself) found a receipt or something)
It wasn't clear to me if her parents knew or didn't know

 

[rosemadderlake]

Possibly, but maybe she never got the chance to tell anyone before she disappeared-and he disappeared out of the Lwowski family's life immediately. I think if Sylvia had been interested in or even seeing someone else, MMQC would know (maybe). I think he found out about her abortion, personally, and blew a gasket.

bbm: ...Ah, and did he find out about the other man who got her pregnant at the same time... more than a one night stand, something she didn't tell him. Maybe he did not know about him. And now, she is tarnished (at least in the Catholic Church).

I am Moo-ing about the religious backgrounds based on the assumption that we have two strong ethnic backgrounds in these two.

 

[Dushi]

I am guessing there were only two people who knew about the abortion. Sylvia and MMQC.

How would BF/F come upon this info?
Unless Sylvia told him...

 

[rosemadderlake]

The termination was close to the start of her relationship with BF/F.

Information (via talk, gossip, rumor, innuendo, etc) may have gotten back to or reached him.

There is a whole four year period (the silent period) of friends, mutual friends of SL & BF/F.

MMQC accompanied SL for the abortion in '73 but may not be the only one who knew?

 

[epiphany]

There is a whole four year period (the silent period) of friends, mutual friends of SL & BF/F.

MMQC accompanied SL for the abortion in '73 but may not be the only one who knew?

Yes, she may have also told another GF about it after. Also, Army BF may have confided in others, as well. One tells another in confidence, who tells another in confidence...who tells...

Believe MMQC may have initially gone to PP with SL, but "Army" BF was with her on the day of actual procedure.

 

[Dushi]

Believe MMQC may have initially gone to PP with SL, but "Army" BF was with her on the day of actual procedure.

This is the first i have heard of this

 

[rosemadderlake]

Yes, she may have also told another GF about it after; also, Army BF may have confided in others, as well. One tells another in confidence, who tells another in confidence...who tells...

Believe MMQC may have initially gone to PP with SL, but "Army" BF was with her on the day of actual procedure.

Yes, you are correct - Thank you. --MMQC spoke of this in the first thread I believe. And it also happened in the middle of her sophomore year at school. Chances are she had a confident there, too. ...who tells another....

 

[Dushi]

Yes, you are correct - Thank you. --MMQC spoke of this in the first thread I believe. And it also happened in the middle of her sophomore year at school. Chances are she had a confident there, too. ...who tells another....

I seriously do not know how i missed that bit about the army BF Shame on me!!!

It may have happened that way.. sharing a confidence.
I can only speak for myself and I know I certainly would not share that info about myself or about a friend

 

[Jmoose]

Yes, you are correct - Thank you. --MMQC spoke of this in the first thread I believe. And it also happened in the middle of her sophomore year at school. Chances are she had a confident there, too. ...who tells another....

I think it's distinctly possible that he heard about it somewhere else first, and questioned her about it that night, unless she was extraordinarily strong and decided to volunteer the information, because she thought he had a right to know. It was a lot more shocking in those days than it is now, and I can imagine that he would be mighty upset about it. This could explain his attitude towards her family and MMQC-maybe he was under the impression that ( if I may be so vulgar) that nobody else had "been there" first? Perhaps this is why he felt that he'd been played for a fool? I assume, because he is Italian, that he is Catholic, although I don't know for sure-abortion is a mortal sin in the mind of a Catholic!

 

[epiphany]

BBM

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I'll try to answer parragraph by parragraph here...
1. Yes, more toward the early spring '73. As for another pregnancy, I seriously doubt it.

2. The length of time seems about right.

3. I did not know him. He was an upper classman and joined the military. I don't know if she ever kept in touch with him. The day of the termination was to my knowledge the last time she saw him. Not to forget. It was a time for sexual exploration. Now what the women of the 70's went through in late teens early 20's kids today do at 12. I blush when I hear conversations of kids when they think no one is listening.

4. I can't say weather she ever told BF/F about past. To me past is past.

 

[Dushi]

I suppose it is also possible that she needed to come "clean"
Maybe she felt it was important to tell him about this secret from her past before entering into a life long commitment.

But I wonder why that night?
If she decided to tell him, why then?
If he found out, how and when?

 

[Dushi]

BBM

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NY NY - Sylvia Alice Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #2


I'll try to answer parragraph by parragraph here...
1. Yes, more toward the early spring '73. As for another pregnancy, I seriously doubt it.

2. The length of time seems about right.

3. I did not know him. He was an upper classman and joined the military. I don't know if she ever kept in touch with him. The day of the termination was to my knowledge the last time she saw him. Not to forget. It was a time for sexual exploration. Now what the women of the 70's went through in late teens early 20's kids today do at 12. I blush when I hear conversations of kids when they think no one is listening.

4. I can't say weather she ever told BF/F about past. To me past is past.

Oh Epiphany

You did not have to go back and search for that.
I had no doubt that you saw it on the other thread
I just can't believe that I missed it!!

But, thanks

 

[rosemadderlake]

I seriously do not know how i missed that bit about the army BF

It may have happened that way.. sharing a confidence.
I can only speak for myself and I know I certainly would not share that info about myself or about a friend

-I think it was a hot button issue fraught with big emotions. Sylvia may not have shared it with anyone other than MMQC, or she may have, especially if she wasn't feeling well afterwards or having big emotions trying to process it. Especially if she really wanted children someday. And, like a support group of girlfriends at school holding each other up - I am sure she wasn't the only one going though something like this.

In thinking back to the 70's, women were looked down upon by some medical doctors prescribing the pill to unmarried women, myself included. --Shunned practically! Children out of wedlock was another hot button issue.

Roe v Wade became law in Jan. 1973. I think it was really hard for any of the women who exercised this right during this initial time. --A big deal in 1973.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I think it's distinctly possible that he heard about it somewhere else first, and questioned her about it that night, unless she was extraordinarily strong and decided to volunteer the information, because she thought he had a right to know. It was a lot more shocking in those days than it is now, and I can imagine that he would be mighty upset about it. This could explain his attitude towards her family and MMQC-maybe he was under the impression that ( if I may be so vulgar) that nobody else had "been there" first? Perhaps this is why he felt that he'd been played for a fool? I assume, because he is Italian, that he is Catholic, although I don't know for sure-abortion is a mortal sin in the mind of a Catholic!

bbm: Yes, it is. -With a whole lotta religious, philosophical, generational, & practical issues still hotly debated today. And yes, there is the extra aspect of the Virgin Mary - Sylvia would not be the virgin bride, to some...

 

[Dushi]

I guess what they fought about will never be known
And its not going to solve the mystery of what happened to Sylvia
It may give reason to suspect one person or another but it doesn't answer the big question.
How does someone just disappear without a clue to their where abouts?
Could there have been clues found if LE had taken her disappearance seriously?
Its rather hard to go back after thirty years and find clues to bring resolution.
And that is the saddest thing
A woman is gone and no one knows how or where... except one ...and that person isn't sharing.

Dental app. Later

 

[epiphany]

Oh Epiphany

You did not have to go back and search for that.
I had no doubt that you saw it on the other thread
I just can't believe that I missed it!!

But, thanks

Sunday dinner will say thank you nicely...

Seriously though, needed to dig up for myself anyway as info very personal and would not be responsible to say something occurred if did not.

 

[epiphany]

She may have shared it with others (not him, imo): her family was not religious according to MMQC.

 

[rosemadderlake]

She may have shared it with others (not him, imo): her family was not religious according to MMQC.

IIRC: Family was not a church going family per MMQC -

IMO -They could have been religious, practicing Jewish faith outside of organized religion.

 

[alliemay]

Possibly, but maybe she never got the chance to tell anyone before she disappeared-and he disappeared out of the Lwowski family's life immediately. I think if Sylvia had been interested in or even seeing someone else, MMQC would know (maybe). I think he found out about her abortion, personally, and blew a gasket.

I think this is a good possibility and it would not have been something that he could have told her parents about as the reason for the argument.

 

[rosemadderlake]

MMQC: Any idea how Sylvia's parents would have reacted to her having an abortion in the 70's? Hypothetically, if the BF/F found out, and it broke up their relationship, their engagement, how would her parents react to that news? Was it something that concerned Sylvia if they found out?