NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #3

[alliemay]

Skeet- aren't there a couple of members here who have access to the SI Advance Archives? Can the 1975 newspaper with movie theater listings be accessed online? Or, is that a microfilm file?

I would think library on microfilm would be the best way. I don't know if they have "researchers" at the library who look up things for you if you don't live close.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I would think library on microfilm would be the best way. I don't know if they have "researchers" at the library who look up things for you if you don't live close.

The SI Advance Archives online begin with year 1991. And yes, I think they can look up microfilm at the library for a fee. Not sure which one that is for local papers though. -Same with NYPL for phone book page. They will research for a fee.

The Newspaper Archives online has a one month nominal intro fee but I don't know if that is full access - will research more. I did plug in a newspaper search and the SI Advance did not come up.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Just to let everyone know: I heard back from ASWDeerHunter today and he is going to email the SI Advance and the Patch to try to get them to write a 38th anniversary article on SL Very good news I think. Off to the hospital -- mother broke her hip this week -- but I will check in late tonight.

 

[Jmoose]

Just to let everyone know: I heard back from ASWDeerHunter today and he is going to email the SI Advance and the Patch to try to get them to write a 38th anniversary article on SL Very good news I think. Off to the hospital -- mother broke her hip this week -- but I will check in late tonight.

Oh dear...fingers crossed that it'll all be ok for your mom (and you)

 

[Odyssey]

It was Odyssey, and I think the response she got was "the library hours are...", even though she said she lived out of state! She said she is going to try again, and see if they send her the info she requested.

I got another automated email stating that I needed to contact their "Document Delivery Department" and pay a fee to have it researched and sent to me.

Never heard of a library doing this before. I'm not sure that anyone is actually reading my emails and seeing what it is I'm looking for before shooting out those responses.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I am not surprised at automated emails and fees for archival research at libraries. -A reflection of budget cuts and going digital.

I get frustrated when a newspaper tells me I have reached my 10 article digital monthly limit and please subscribe to continue with my digital subscription.

Imo- Finding the PI in 1975 is a little like finding the needle in the haystack -especially since they could have been hired out of Manhattan, and their intelligence on Sylvia was probably shared with the cold case squad.

 

[Jmoose]

I got another automated email stating that I needed to contact their "Document Delivery Department" and pay a fee to have it researched and sent to me.

Never heard of a library doing this before. I'm not sure that anyone is actually reading my emails and seeing what it is I'm looking for before shooting out those responses.

Just out of curiousity, how much do they want to research it and send it to you? Personally, I 'd rather do it myself because then you have control of exactly what you are taking home (but probably still paying for copies, if you make them). Of course, you are out of state and can't do that.

 

[Odyssey]

Just out of curiousity, how much do they want to research it and send it to you? Personally, I 'd rather do it myself because then you have control of exactly what you are taking home (but probably still paying for copies, if you make them). Of course, you are out of state and can't do that.

They didn't even say how much, they gave me another email address to send my request to.

I haven't sent it yet, I was going to try to see if I could find another source - maybe a historical society or something that might have be able to just scan it to me.

 

[Odyssey]

I just sent a message to the College of Staten Island library to see if they have it.

I don't expect to hear back until Tuesday or Wednesday, though. I'll keep you posted.

 

[DianeElaine]

I must say I am in awe of the expertise displayed by you all on these threads!

I have a couple of questions/observations and would like to hear feedback on them:

1) I believe MMQC said somewhere that SL probably wore her eyeglasses only when she needed them--such as when she was reading, as opposed to "all the time." Since BF/F reported that she threw her glasses on the dashboard as she was running off, that must mean she was wearing them at the time (otherwise they would be in her handbag). I would further posit that she would want to look her best for BF/F, and since she was not driving the car, she may very well have not had her eyeglasses on at the time she ran off. (I suppose it's possible SL was reading something before she ran off and that would explain why she was wearing them.) That certainly leaves the question dangling out there of why the BF/F reported she threw her glasses on the dashboard ... The very first thing I thought of when I read the post about the matter was "Oh, my! The BF/F might have stepped on her eyeglasses during whatever incident took place in the car (which isn't comforting b/c it suggests something violent may have occurred), and included the info. when he reported it to EL b/c he was afraid the police would find tiny glass shards in his car and he wanted a ready answer." MOO.

2) MMQC reported she learned SL's BF/F was in possession of the engagement ring after SL disappeared, and she learned it from someone who apparently knew the BF/F. Hmmm. I wonder WHO ELSE the BF/F talked to about the matter and what he told them. I guess he wasn't keeping silent on the matter--at least with his friends--now was he? More hmmmmm.

Thanks for listening!

 

[epiphany]

Any thoughts on why the Police Report has now been removed from Sylvia Lwowski's NamUs page?

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7574/157



Welcome to Sylvia's thread, Diane!

 

[Odyssey]

Any thoughts on why the Police Report has now been removed from Sylvia Lwowski's NamUs page?

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7574/157



Welcome to Sylvia's thread, Diane!

Interesting... I wonder when that happened. I think I last looked there in early May and it was still there then...

 

[rosemadderlake]

I must say I am in awe of the expertise displayed by you all on these threads!

I have a couple of questions/observations and would like to hear feedback on them:

1) I believe MMQC said somewhere that SL probably wore her eyeglasses only when she needed them--such as when she was reading, as opposed to "all the time." Since BF/F reported that she threw her glasses on the dashboard as she was running off, that must mean she was wearing them at the time (otherwise they would be in her handbag). I would further posit that she would want to look her best for BF/F, and since she was not driving the car, she may very well have not had her eyeglasses on at the time she ran off. (I suppose it's possible SL was reading something before she ran off and that would explain why she was wearing them.) That certainly leaves the question dangling out there of why the BF/F reported she threw her glasses on the dashboard ... The very first thing I thought of when I read the post about the matter was "Oh, my! The BF/F might have stepped on her eyeglasses during whatever incident took place in the car (which isn't comforting b/c it suggests something violent may have occurred), and included the info. when he reported it to EL b/c he was afraid the police would find tiny glass shards in his car and he wanted a ready answer." MOO.

2) MMQC reported she learned SL's BF/F was in possession of the engagement ring after SL disappeared, and she learned it from someone who apparently knew the BF/F. Hmmm. I wonder WHO ELSE the BF/F talked to about the matter and what he told them. I guess he wasn't keeping silent on the matter--at least with his friends--now was he? More hmmmmm.

Thanks for listening!

Welcome to Sylvia Lwowski’s MP thread. –A great first post, DianeElaine!

I really wish we knew where the glasses ended up. Why does the trail stop in the BF/F’s car? -Not returned to family. Why can’t we know whether LE ever saw them to confirm their condition? The glasses raise so many more questions than they answer. -But your MOO is interesting because Sylvia or the BF/F could have stepped on them in an altercation, trying to pull her back into the car, or the shards of glass is the piece of evidence that needs a backup story should her missing body be found.

Bbm: A million dollar question. I was reading another thread about a young woman missing in the 70’s and watched a press video of her sister who said something like; ‘it is going to take courage for someone who knows something to come forward and share what they know’.

And I wonder too, who knew about the ring? It is going to take courage for someone to come forward and do right by Sylvia.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Any thoughts on why the Police Report has now been removed from Sylvia Lwowski's NamUs page?

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7574/157



Welcome to Sylvia's thread, Diane!

Really interesting eagle eye observation Epiphany -

Inquiries to LE (Det. Lennon) about the "Will not Handle"'?

It is a cold case squad case, SI LE is no longer primary contact? -Capt. Kelly no longer at Precinct.

The doc was added in 2011 and I saw it as recently as a month ago.

 

[alliemay]

Friday or Saturday I called 718-667-2211, (I think I wrote that number down from the Namus page) I asked to speak to someone from the cold case squad, they gave me another number to call 646-610-6910, I spoke with a female and left a message, I had wanted to know if any one had done an age progression sketch of her. She took my name and number. I mentioned that Sylvia was listed on Namus. I have not received a call back yet.

 

[Jmoose]

Any thoughts on why the Police Report has now been removed from Sylvia Lwowski's NamUs page?

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7574/157



Welcome to Sylvia's thread, Diane!

That must have been just in the last couple of days-it was there, I think, last week. Why would they take it down?

 

[Jmoose]

You know, since March we've been kicking up a lot of dust here regarding Sylvia. I really hope that isn't the reason the police report was taken down off of the Namus site. The whole point, as I see it, is to attract more attention to Sylvia's disappearance because there was no publicity desired back in 1975. I don't think there was anything on there that could cause a problem with the case, since the information was minimal.

 

[alliemay]

I wonder if they need to change a few things on it, or maybe they have a different one?

 

[rosemadderlake]

You know, since March we've been kicking up a lot of dust here regarding Sylvia. I really hope that isn't the reason the police report was taken down off of the Namus site. The whole point, as I see it, is to attract more attention to Sylvia's disappearance because there was no publicity desired back in 1975. I don't think there was anything on there that could cause a problem with the case, since the information was minimal.

bbms: I was thinking this, too. There was some dust kicked up. Could the changes to the circumstances description on the Charlie Project (since corrected) and WS member video taking license with the speculation on this thread cause a problem with the case? Enough so that NamUs would remove the 1975 PR document?

I noticed Sylvia's story has been added to another blog, http://whereaboutsstillunknown.wordpress.com/author/whereaboutsstillunknown/ in August 2013, that cites Websleuths and Charlie Project as sources.

 

[alliemay]

Nice find Rose, its interesting that Eva would save all the gifts from the wedding shower. It makes me think that she probably saved much more on her. I would think there would be some paperwork on the PI?

Other thoughts: If Sylvia had needed her glasses for reading, would she have also needed them to watch a movie in a theater, could that be why she even had her glasses with her that night?
Also it's nice to see three guests on here today, feel free to join in.