NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #4

[MMQC]

i think unless on bc pill or had an iud inserted after first time, she could very well have become pregnant again.

Mo: Mother would not share any of the bc info if she did have it, or learned of it later.

She was engaged, 22 yo and went missing...believe mom would have been asked at precinct about whether unplanned pregnancy was a possibility or not. Moo

no iud

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Okay, all. I've been talking to MMQC. She posted the bit about the IUD, but told me to go ahead and post the clarification about the day of the termination. I for one have been under some misunderstanding about how the events connected with the termination took place. Epiphany came close to a more accurate understanding in her guess today.

First event: MMQC accompanied SL to PP for an exam, discussion, and to schedule the termination. That took place at a PP clinic in Port Richmond.

Second event: Red took SL to Brooklyn for the procedure. The two of them stopped by MMQC's house on the way to the clinic because SL had something to pick up from MMQC. Red stayed in the car, while SL came to the door. Those are the circumstances under which MMQC saw Red and his VW.

That's all I got! Thanks for the clarification, MMQC.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I would be surprised if EL didn't know about this. It's an awfully big secret for a young woman to keep while living at home... I understand there were no complications, but still it is a procedure with physical after effects in addition to the emotional.

I knew a couple of men back then (in our free love era) who were devastated, maybe even blind-sided by the surprise of their emotions, when their girl friends had an abortion. One was a mutual decision the other was hers.

 

[epiphany]

Original posts TBM, BBM:




Quoting you and myself to correct my earlier statement, Epiph -- I mix up the year and her age. You are right -- DOB = April 28, 1953. Even younger than I was thinking. Can you imagine?! Who knows what they want for the rest of their lives at 21/22?

BBM (above and below)

Yes, she chose a very traditional path and she was still very young with no concrete plans, no career goal, still living at home, not seeking employment, etc. She's moody and there is is no approximate wedding date set...

QC posted: "no iud," and that's after a termination.

IMO, there were no BC Pills either, nor a diaphragm and gel in her purse.

She may have gotten pregnant again...she was depressed and distraught, and had been so for a while. Mother knew she was. No publicity.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Happy birthday, JMoose! (Remember?)

:bdsurprise:

:balloons:

 

[Jmoose]

Thank you-I am 29 today (again)!

 

[GoingByMyGut]

Thank you-I am 29 today (again)!

LOL ... I am 58 and want credit for every year. :rollercoaster:

 

[rosemadderlake]

I did not realize that the Seahawks Marching Band at Wagner College has been dormant for almost as long as Sylvia Lwowski has been missing…

Flashback: Wagner College Seahawk Marching Band, ca. 1969
Highlight performances included the halftime show of a Giants NFL game in 1970 and the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade in 1971. By 1976, however, the ensemble had ceased to exist — until this year, when it was revived under the direction of Jose Diaz.
http://wagner.edu/wagnermagazine/?p=3440

Wagner starts to rebuild a long-lost marching band program
For the first time in almost four decades, the Seahawks are on the march again — on the marching band field, that is.
http://wagner.edu/wagnermagazine/?p=3438

 

[GoingByMyGut]

That's definitely odd, Rose, and a very interesting find. So who was the unnamed director during the missing years (at the ??? below)? I wonder, did it disband because they couldn't get students to join? Because they couldn't keep a director? Because of something that happened? They don't offer much in the history, that's for sure.

1968–70 -- directed by James W. Hubert
1970-76 -- ???
1976 -- the ensemble ceased to exist
2013-14 -- revived under the direction of Jose Diaz

 

[Jmoose]

Sylvia was in my dream the other night, talking to me-think it's time to take a break (lol)!

 

[alliemay]

I have had a few of those, she wasn't talking to me though, but I felt like I was seeing things through her eyes. Yes we do tend to invest a lot of our own minds into these cases, because we care.

 

[Jmoose]

Yes-it was strange, and it wasn't even after being on Websleuths for a couple of days. In the dream, she was talking to me about something that her fiance had given her (not her engagement ring)-but she was upset with him. That's never happened to me before; she must have been in my subconscious mind or something. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who's dreamed of her.

 

[alliemay]

In the first one it had something to do with climbing up out of an embankment and falling back down. The second one had something to do with walking through a graveyard near a church. The church looked like St. Andrews on the side.

 

[rosemadderlake]

“I read the news today oh boy… “

Considering that we never really know how fragile the human psyche can be, I think our discussion of the possibility of Sylvia’s suicide may have true merit, after all. How well do we really know someone? What is the perception of one’s world, if it is unravelling? What was her state of mind, really?

The dreams shared here, to me, are maybe a glimpse into the Akashic Records? Edgar Casey brought to light this concept—this time/space continuum (past present future) experience that can be accessed through the acquired means of transcendental meditation, hypnosis, deep thought, and dreams especially.

--In the shock of her disappearance, I think maybe her BFF had no clue about her past, the abortion, or maybe even her true feelings. Maybe she was not aware of them, either? I wonder what EL’s thoughts were, what her theories were, because those closest to her would know more... than we do…

-After our exploration into the other darker possibilities, I wondered if she could have jumped off of the Staten Island Ferry that night...

 

[alliemay]

I was thinking more like the jetty that MMQC talked about, or the Conference House area, somewhere that was familiar to her, where she had once felt comfortable and at peace. I wish we knew what she had said that night to the BF/F. Like we have talked about before, even in our own lives, people fight, they cool off for a few days, sometimes they get back together sometimes they don't. What would she have said that caused such urgency in the people in her life. Could she have threatened to end it all? Like GBMG pointed out, they were not calling the houses of different friends they were looking in the places that Sylvia was familiar with. The jetty, the campus etc. If I can come to the realization that my own mother may have tried to take her own life, I cannot discount it for someone I know little about.

 

[rosemadderlake]

-I guess I am a little freaked out by the "big news suicide of a favorite rock star's GF" in NYC this week. So shocking. And it made me think about all the assumptions we make about people, that one knows, or thought they knew, come to know about like here on this thread, or even in the distant news.

I wonder too if SL was in that kind of dark place before, if she had threatened to end it all even in passing? There was such an urgency that night.

I see Sylvia as this vibrant young woman in her pictures and in the descriptions of the VI's. I couldn't bring myself to think that she would end it all, or that anyone would want to do her harm... Yet, where is she?

I guess I wonder how the will to survive wouldn't take over in the water. I wonder how someone would end it all and know it possible they wouldn't be found. Or, maybe she thought she would be?

And yes, if one can come to the realization about that possibility of ending one's life in someone close, I cannot discount it in someone I know little about either... That is very well said in your post Skeet.

 

[Jmoose]

In all but a very few cases, it seems like the loved ones of suicide victims will say that it can't be possible that the person was suicidal; I wonder if there is some denial going on here. As we've said in the past, everyone has a secret self, where we hide things about ourselves that nobody else knows about, and true clinical depression may have flown below the radar with Sylvia's loved ones, especially in a time when nobody was talking about depression. I still have my doubts about this possibility, because she hasn't been found, but can't eliminate it entirely.

 

[epiphany]

This month marks about one year that we have been consistently working on bringing public awareness to the disappearance of Sylvia Lwowski from Staten Island, NY in 1975.

Happy Spring 2014 to All on SL's Thread!

 

[epiphany]

-I guess I am a little freaked out by the "big news suicide of a favorite rock star's GF" in NYC this week. So shocking. And it made me think about all the assumptions we make about people, that one knows, or thought they knew, come to know about like here on this thread, or even in the distant news.

I wonder too if SL was in that kind of dark place before, if she had threatened to end it all even in passing? There was such an urgency that night.

I see Sylvia as this vibrant young woman in her pictures and in the descriptions of the VI's. I couldn't bring myself to think that she would end it all, or that anyone would want to do her harm... Yet, where is she?

I guess I wonder how the will to survive wouldn't take over in the water. I wonder how someone would end it all and know it possible they wouldn't be found. Or, maybe she thought she would be?

And yes, if one can come to the realization about that possibility of ending one's life in someone close, I cannot discount it in someone I know little about either... That is very well said in your post Skeet.

I loved Mick Jagger's music coming up and he is one of the few celebrities/rock stars I indulge in following re "celebrity" news.

The suicide of his partner/lover brings to the forefront, once again, the STIGMA that continues to be attached to suicide, depression, mental illness, etc. that is STILL prevalent, IMO, in "our" generation.

 

[GoingByMyGut]

I loved Mick Jagger's music coming up and he is one of the few celebrities/rock stars I indulge in following re "celebrity" news.

The suicide of his partner/lover brings to the forefront, once again, the STIGMA that continues to be attached to suicide, depression, mental illness, etc. that is STILL prevalent, IMO, in "our" generation.

For me it brought up the issues that still dog women, no matter how high up the ladder they go: adequate training in financial management, and eating to be healthy, not to please men. She was a great designer, but the photos of her scare me. Too too thin. JMO