NY NY - Sylvia Lwowski, 22, Staten Island, 6 Sept 1975 - #4

[Jmoose]

http://newyorkstatemissingpersons.ning.com/photo/lwowski-sylvia-picture-1974?context=user

I wonder what the SO COMP ATM means on the back of one of the pictures?

I never noticed that-what an interesting question.

 

[Jmoose]

Skeet-I think it stands for "sorority composite-Alpha Tau Mu"

 

[alliemay]

Ok that makes sense, thanks

 

[Jmoose]

Alpha Tau Mu is no longer part of the "greek" system at Wagner; in fact, hardly anyplace. At some schools, it's referred to as a service fraternity-but it definitely isn't a music sorority pretty much anyplace, from what I can see. I am trying to find a person to contact from that time at Wagner, but not having much luck.

 

[Pink Panther]

Off topic - What the hay is the yellow about? It's horrible and has no purpose!

 

[Jmoose]

I hate it, too

 

[rosemadderlake]

…Some Imo lately thoughts-

In 2010, the NYPD Cold Case Squad was in possession of new information, and a DNA sample, and they reviewed Sylvia Lwowski’s very, very cold Missing Persons case.

In 2013, we (@ WebSleuths) learned that the NYPD knew about her “Sylvia’s engagement ring” possibly being in the possession of the BFF for a long time…

Given this new information, I believe the Wagner Sorority was tracked down & interviewed in depth by the NYPD Cold Case Detectives. Some even traveled to Staten Island to give an official deposition. -This is something that would have shed light on “some of the events” that preceded Sylvia’s disappearance.

We have not heard, (nor will we hear) from anyone at Wagner. Apart from Sylvia’s brother, briefly, and her best girlfriend (BFF) who has given us all we know, and all she could--there is no movement, no tips, no revelations, and no memories from those who knew Sylvia, on Staten Island, her neighborhood, high school, or Wagner College, or on this thread, or anywhere else. Yet, there were more than a few who knew her when she went missing. There were over 25 people (by my count) who immediately knew she was missing. Where are they now?

“ATM Comp” -this makes sense that it is from a photo session taken for her Sorority (Alpha Tau Mu). I would bet there is her smiling photo from that proof sheet in her Wagner 1975 year book. She then used another photo from that same proof sheet for her 1975 engagement announcement.

I have a feeling that Sylvia’s glasses are in the 1975 LE evidence file. I believe this is one of the greatest frustrations in her case. -LE knows this, and they also know the condition of her glasses, but we do not. If her glasses were anything other than perfect condition, would a suspect have been named?

I don’t know if Sylvia left willingly, or survived something, but lately I’m thinking if she wants to remain “undercover”, then who am I to disagree? But what if she did not, then maybe I think more and more, she met with someone who was not in her inner-circle.

There is a witness – but we are blind.

..Imo

Post Script: No word from NamUs on our UIDs. Wait and see….

 

[rosemadderlake]

Stepping back from the thread for a while - one thing that stood out in reflection, was silence in 1975: I thought about what if I went missing??? -At 22, I wasn’t living at home and my parents were divorced. -But no doubt about it, there would have been publicity. My Dad would vouch for that

So I wonder why...

Why???

How come no publicity for Sylvia?

What is up with that?

xoxo
Rose

 

[Jmoose]

I struggle with this, too. I have a strange family, with a set of parents who would probably let LE tell them that they've got it all under control, and that the family should go home and wait to hear from LE-"Don't call us, we'll call you". But I think, eventually, my father would blow a gasket, and do something (not sure what that would be). Some people are really passive, and would possibly think that the authorities must know what they're doing, so you have to let them do it-but, this was their daughter! I wish we could know if the Lwowskis regularly rattled somebody's cage at the 122 precinct-that would really help. There just isn't any way of understanding why it went like this, without that information.

 

[Pink Panther]

I struggle with this, too. I have a strange family, with a set of parents who would probably let LE tell them that they've got it all under control, and that the family should go home and wait to hear from LE-"Don't call us, we'll call you". But I think, eventually, my father would blow a gasket, and do something (not sure what that would be). Some people are really passive, and would possibly think that the authorities must know what they're doing, so you have to let them do it-but, this was their daughter! I wish we could know if the Lwowskis regularly rattled somebody's cage at the 122 precinct-that would really help. There just isn't any way of understanding why it went like this, without that information.

As I've stated before…I think that the family was afraid to draw attention to themselves; perhaps for other issues that are not connected to Sylvia's disappearance.

moo

 

[Jmoose]

As I've stated before…I think that the family was afraid to draw attention to themselves; perhaps for other issues that are not connected to Sylvia's disappearance.

moo

I think there is a separate reason, too. What a "perfect storm" of elements to come together, and make it impossible to find her. If only we could have had the chance to ask EL the questions that we have-I don't know if Sylvia's brother knows everything that we want to know. I get the sense that everyone who could help, goes quiet when they find out the details. Not sure if that's true, but it is my sense of things-it could be that it's simply been too long, or that some think suicide's the likely answer, or that she may have left on her own, and has the right to do so. Could it be that they (Stacy Horn, Det. Savage, writer from SI Advance, etc) think she's been murdered, and realize that the killer can't or won't be caught at this point?
We'll never know what they think...and it's likely that we'll never know what happened to her. I saw part of an episode of "Nowhere to Hide" recently, and the host/investigator said that it's actually pretty difficult to completely disappear off the grid, while living your life, even with tons of money, which we know Sylvia did not have. This is why I don't believe she is out there somewhere, living happily away from her Staten Island folks. In my opinion, something else happened to her. We may have exhausted all possible routes here, with the little information that we have, but I think I'll always wonder what happened to Sylvia.

 

[Jmoose]

This Saturday, Nov. 8th, is Missing Person Day at the NYC Medical Examiner's office. The MEs office is working in conjunction with the Hart Island Project to attempt to identify 1,200 sets of remains exhumed from the cemetery at Hart Island. These remains have reportedly only been interred since 1990, but since the remains are moved periodically to make room for new interments, who knows what they'll discover? I contacted Sylvia's brother to tell him-if they continue the exhumations, the DNA that they're testing for will eventually be run through Namus, and he'll be contacted if they find Sylvia's remains.

 

[Pink Panther]

Maybe his children will google his name one day and prayer will no longer be enough?

 

[Jmoose]

Maybe his children will google his name one day and prayer will no longer be enough?

The possibilty that his children (or anyone else, for that matter), might google his name is a dilemma here. It's possible that all of us here think we know what happened to Sylvia, but Websleuths terms-of-service aside, there just isn't any evidence of what happened to her, and it's possible that one of a number of things COULD have happened-and we just don't know. We'll never know if he told his wife and children about Sylvia, and the fact that she disappeared following a fight with him-chances are that CC or some member of his family have already googled his name, and know that there's been some discussion of his involvement. And possibly they've seen Steely Dan's video. Chances are even better that nobody will ever face the music for Sylvia after all this time.

I got a nice email from Sylvia's brother today, for giving him the Hart Island information (which, I think, he hadn't gotten from LE). They were only disinterring remains from 1990 and that wouldn't include Sylvia if she's there-but you never know, with all of the moving of remains they've done, what they'll find. I'd love to at least know that her remains have been found, even if they never find out who was involved.

 

[Pink Panther]

Bumping for Sylvia.

It's a shame that WS's latest links for discussion never come up when searching google. ie. For this thread, I had to scroll to the end of three threads. None of them were accessible via proper links (I had to copy and paste http addresses) and only because I knew Sylvia had four threads did I ever manage to get here?

What gives?

 

[rosemadderlake]

Blue Earth Jane Doe

Unidentified Female Found May 30, 1980 near Blue Earth, Minnesota. “On August 12, 2014 the body of our Jane Doe was exhumed for the purposes of obtaining samples for DNA testing, Isotopic Analysis, and a three dimensional facial reconstruction”.
http://mavweb.mnsu.edu/bittid/index.html

Sylvia’s name was added on 11/13 as “could not be definitively ruled out.”
http://mavweb.mnsu.edu/bittid/missingperson.htm

This came up in a search for within the “last month”.

I can see why Sylvia is not ruled out. There are similarities in the artist’s rendering. -Should be interesting to see a 3D construction. I don’t see a major overbite in Sylvia’s pictures, though. Don’t know if her teeth were crowded. It doesn’t seem to be a match based on dentals. Maybe she was added for DNA comparison. -Wondering if there are any Sylvia connections to Minnesota, too.

This Jane Doe is not on the list we submitted to NamUs last summer. Looks like website belongs to a Minn. University? -But Doe Network seems to be the source for Sylvia. In any case, it is good to know there is continued activity on her.

 

[alliemay]

Can someone try to message her brother and ask who it was that cut Sylvias picture out

 

[rosemadderlake]

Who cut Sylvia out of the posted photos on NYSMP? ^^This is a good question (imo) because either it is a clue as to Sylvia’s state of mind when she disappeared in 1975, or it is a statement of someone else’s state of mind in 2014.

Is this why EL described her as depressed? Did they break up? Call off the wedding? Was she pregnant?

Whatever the argument was about – must have been something big (imo). It’s kind of what fits the acrimonious feelings afterwards, the cut off, and the silence. If it was about which movie to see – the story afterwards might be different, like publicity vs. no publicity.

 

[Jmoose]

Rose-Once when I spoke to Sylvia's brother, he suggested that he thought she might have been pregnant when she disappeared-but didn't say why he thought that. Not sure if that helps. I'll ask him if he knows who cut Sylvia out of the photos.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Rose-Once when I spoke to Sylvia's brother, he suggested that he thought she might have been pregnant when she disappeared-but didn't say why he thought that. Not sure if that helps. I'll ask him if he knows who cut Sylvia out of the photos.

Thanks Jmoose--that would be great. :star1:

-Maybe Sylvia thought she was pregnant, or knew... important to keep in mind when searching the UPs, too.