NY - Transgender woman found wrapped in logging chain, claims she was sex slave

[nao]

But many partners (and children) unwittingly end up in s&m relationships, kept in closets and cages etc. The day i signed my marriage certificate, was the first day i got smucked around, that sure was'nt what i signed up for and i got branded but thats just dv

 

[Mrs G Norris]

But many partners (and children) unwittingly end up in s&m relationships, kept in closets and cages etc. The day i signed my marriage certificate, was the first day i got smucked around, that sure was'nt what i signed up for and i got branded but thats just dv

Ok .. S&M is something you willingly do .. if you are being kept in a cage as part of an S&M agreement, it's because you enjoy it, you want that and it's part of the role playing going on .. it's not unwittingly .. IF you're with someone who PUTS you in a cage against your will that's not S&M that's abuse. If you've entered an S&M agreement, and you are held in a cage you entered into willingly after the game is over and you want out, then that has crossed the line into abuse.

You can't unwittingly end up in an S&M relationship .. S&M isn't 'You can do what you like to me' or 'I can abuse you and you have no say' .. no comparison to DV .. I am very sorry you suffered in that way.

The masochist in the S&M relationship is there willingly and because that is the experience they are wanting to have.

 

[nao]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/transgender-woman-claims-sex-slave-article-1.1820961

pics of chains and bucket, but the chains an bucket are smaller than i expected and very clean. i'm sad the victim was abused but thats dv, she was not snatched from the street.
She was vulnerable and got taken advantage of, -well welcome to real life- being transgender and into s&m, should really have nothing to do with the charges. jmo

 

[nao]

well now i'm not sure if we are agreeing or debating Mrs G Norris

 

[nao]

honestly i would like dv to be dealt and seen as assault, which is what this victim is asking for

 

[SeriouslySearching]

hint, the accused are friends with the victim on facebook and the victim posts lots of bitstrips on one of the two facebook accounts she has

The bitstrips sound more like they came from the "masters" not the victim, imo. They were demeaning and also described what she was forced to do for them in the reports. They had complete control of this person including her social media, imo.

 

[LaborDayRN]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/transgender-woman-claims-sex-slave-article-1.1820961

pics of chains and bucket, but the chains an bucket are smaller than i expected and very clean. i'm sad the victim was abused but thats dv, she was not snatched from the street.
She was vulnerable and got taken advantage of, -well welcome to real life- being transgender and into s&m, should really have nothing to do with the charges. jmo

BBM: This (the statement I bolded) makes me very sad. Domestic violence, or being held against one's will, should never be accepted as part of "real life".

 

[tlcya]

many people stay in relationships because of fear, or finances have been taken, threats of violence. There are safe houses, restraining orders, but if it can now be called kidnapping, i'm good with that. The police are often called when a person is in the process of trying to leave.

in recent years I have seen kidnapping used in exactly this way. When a girl went to a place but wanted at some point to leave and was not allowed through use of threat or physical force. I have seen it charged as abduction even with a husband against a wife who refused to allow her to leave the home.

Husband takes his wife hostage and locks her in the bathroom. spends a couple of days beating the tar out of her. He can be charged with kidnapping (which is basically a simplified way of saying refused to allow the freedom to come or go at will) and lately you see it more frequently.

This is something I have noticed has evolved over recent years as DAs become more creative in charging and realize that just because someone is in some form or relationship, they can be kidnapped and held against their will by refusing them the physical ability to leave just as if you did the same to a stanger with no relationship to you.

This is not a bad thing IMO.

I DO believe this case will be hard to prove. Because of the previous consensual relationship, just as with date or intimate partner rape or kidnap, it comes down to she said they said in this case and what a jury will ultimately believe.

This will be a tough case for the prosecution IMO. For the exact same reasons that Intimate Partner crimes are difficult to prove sometimes. Because that is what this case is IMO. An intimate partner case which involves degradation, rape and kidnap.

But like so many others, it will depend on how the attorneys can illustrate their cases.

as usual just :cow:

 

[nao]

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BBM: This (the statement I bolded) makes me very sad. Domestic violence, or being held against one's will, should never be accepted as part of "real life".

Well it is life for many people, but it is not called kidnapping, its called stupid - you knew, he/she was rso, or was drug dealer, etc (include myself in knowing i chose partner that was violent) but it never gets called kidnapping

 

[Cinnamon]

The bitstrips sound more like they came from the "masters" not the victim, imo. They were demeaning and also described what she was forced to do for them in the reports. They had complete control of this person including her social media, imo.

BBM. Ok, so it's not just me...that's the first thing I thought when I looked at them. ITA, SS. They are disturbing, and yes, demeaning, imo. It wouldn't surprise me if they had control of her SM. MOO.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

honestly i would like dv to be dealt and seen as assault, which is what this victim is asking for

There are laws concerning Domestic Violence entailing being held against your will and being raped which are equal across the board. No one can be held no matter how long against their will and no does mean no. If a spouse holds a door shut and refuses to allow the other spouse to walk out the door, it can be charged as Kidnapping. The laws are broad, but quite clear.

I agree the laws should be tougher on DV. DV is often a prelude to murder and I don't think this country offers any real protection to victims. An Order of Protection (Restraining Order) can be a death warrant, but it is required. The aggressor is often slapped on the wrist and let out of jail without adequate protection for the victim or their family.

I have always been an advocate for putting more teeth and YEARS into the laws for DV. If you beat your spouse...you should be subject to harsh penalties. Abusers do not change and until we, as a society, decide to put them away so they cannot harm others...we will have to deal with the battered men and women at their hands. It is a stark and sad reality.

I am sorry for what you had to go through. It shouldn't happen.

This case is different than DV because strangers on the internet lured her into believing it was a safe environment which turned into a nightmare of huge proportions. Granted, it doesn't sound a lot different than an abusive marriage...but a bad marriage is an isolated crime as the abuser concentrates it on a specific person. Sex trafficking and enslaving people is a criminal lifestyle involving predators looking for victims across state lines and even from other countries. It is a web of deceit and evil involving many innocent and often young victims.

 

[nao]

she is a adult, they came and helped her pack, which was kinda nice of them, this is dv.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

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Well it is life for many people, but it is not called kidnapping, its called stupid - you knew, he/she was rso, or was drug dealer, etc (include myself in knowing i chose partner that was violent) but it never gets called kidnapping

I have never heard it called, "stupid". The fact is many victims of abuse are drawn into those type of relationships due to not getting the help and counseling they desperately need to gain back their self esteem and learn new skills emotionally and physically to keep them safe from abusers. It is a crime that relies on patterns. Patterns of the abuser lead to patterns of the abused. When a person is beaten down and emotionally stripped of their worth daily, it literally changes their ability to fight back. They simply are brainwashed into believing they are nothing and it extends into every part of their being. This also accounts for being drawn to a certain type.

We often ask, "Why didn't the abused person just leave?!".

The answer is they often can't. Without the help to rebuild their psyche, they are still held captive in their own minds to their abuser and abuse. Hence, the repetition of being a victim continues.

Never is it because of intelligence. Intelligence is compromised by abuse.

 

[nao]

i was'nt born into violence, but did experiance pervy violent stepdads, the violent husband, that was my choice, but why is that different to s&m-- but it was s&m

 

[Mrs G Norris]

We tried to explain S&M a few times. It's different. It's consensual. It's a sex game.

 

[tlcya]

The bitstrips sound more like they came from the "masters" not the victim, imo. They were demeaning and also described what she was forced to do for them in the reports. They had complete control of this person including her social media, imo.

see what I mean? Just as with any intimate partner crime, this one will be a tough case to prove. Did she post them? Did they? That is where it comes down to she said they said and what the jury believes.

Add to this the S&M angle and the transgendered victim and I think this will be tough to present to a jury for the prosecutor.

This opinion is not based in which of the parties I believe or my opinion of alternative sexual relationships and exploration or transgenders or anything of the sort. This is my opinion because I don't think the general jury pool is ready to judge this case on the evidence without personal judgments on the extraordinary parts of this case to decide the case impartially.

No comment as to its rightness or wrongness. Simply a pragmatic view of the world we inhabit right now.

 

[nao]

I know what s&m is, and considering the age and visuals, i think they wanted labour not sex.

 

[rosesfromangels]

IMO, the ability to convict will depend on the severity of the injuries.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Jury will have at least a few people that will believe the victim deserved it.
That's common in most Aquitaine rape cases...this case?
People just aren't evolved enough yet.
All IMO


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[nao]

But there were juvis on property, why is she not charged with abuse or knowledge of abuse