NY - Twenty Fatality Traffic Crash, Schoharie County, 6 Oct 2018

[Gardenista]

He had a license. A CDL I believe. But he didn’t have the proper license to transport more than 15 people.

Yes, I know

 

[crhedBngr]

Is this it?
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If so, OH MY GOODNESS.

 

[bears10]

Yes, I know

Oh ok I wasn’t sure if it was previously reported that he had no license at all. A few of the headlines I read made it out that he was completely unlicensed.

 

[Gardenista]

Oh ok I wasn’t sure if it was previously reported that he had no license at all. A few of the headlines I read made it out that he was completely unlicensed.

I haven't read any of those. The first thing I heard about his license is what was stated by Cuomo this morning.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

i am surprised that there were no survivors of this horrific crash
i wonder why

Because they crushed each other to death and/or were thrown from the vehicle. That’s my guess. Autopsies are being done on all 20 of the deceased.

I’m also guessing the modified limo broke apart upon impact in some way. It wasn’t in good shape to begin with.

We’ll likely know more pretty soon.

 

[bears10]

I haven't read any of those. The first thing I heard about his license is what was stated by Cuomo this morning.

This was one I saw, but I saw a couple more with the same type of headline. I wasn’t able to watch or read any type of news today until after work so I am far behind.

Edit to removed the blocked link. It was a rag type of site, similar to DM but even less reliable lol

 

[Questionsunanswered]

Shahed is the sole owner of the limo company.

He was listed as the owner, but his sons ran the business.

 

[Questionsunanswered]

He seems like the kind of slick creep that would rent rather than own and risk losing his investment

I’m sure the FBI will uncover a lot more criminal activity from him. He’ll never be able to come back to the US , I hope

I hope he comes back.

 

[Herat]

Because they crushed each other to death and/or were thrown from the vehicle. That’s my guess. Autopsies are being done on all 20 of the deceased.

I’m also guessing the modified limo broke apart upon impact in some way. It wasn’t in good shape to begin with.

We’ll likely know more pretty soon.

The front of the vehicle is described as “destroyed” so I’d expect severe crush injuries in the driver and any pax that were close to the front. Anything or any person unsecured in a vehicle going from 60+ mpg to 0 instantly will become a 60+mph projectile. So sadly, there are likely to be cervical spine and head injuries as well as torn aortas, ruptured spleens and livers = fatal injuries.

Remember: No seat belts or shoulder restraints, no air bags, no inside padding, and those seats would be slippery and impossible to keep from sliding with the impact.

 

[Gardenista]

Yes, and also failure to repair previous violations, but I don't see them for that plate number.

State Police investigate negligence in fatal Schoharie crash

OK, I think I found it:

The Sept. 4 inspection found multiple safety violations of a 2001 Ford Excursion owned by Prestige with the license plate TOGALUX1. The Excursion was cited in September for a malfunction of the ABS indicators for the hydraulic brake system; operating a commercial motor vehicle without proof of a periodic inspection; defective emergency exits; failure to correct defects noted on previous inspection report, and defective windshield wipers.

The September inspection also cited a"failure to correct defects noted on previous inspection report" back in March.

In that March 21 inspection report, Prestige was cited for several issues with the brakes on the Excursion, including brake connections with constrictions and brakes out of service.

Prestige was also cited for operating the Excursion with seating in excess of the manufacturer's designed seating capacity.

It also was cited for several local law violations as well. In all, Prestige was cited for 22 violations to its vehicles in five different inspections in March and September.

RELATED: Inspection documents from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

ETA OMG, does the above link really mean they have NO insurance??????????

 

[human]

Fraternal twin brother of limo driver killed in Schoharie crash speaks to CBS 6

It seems like the trend is to keep govt out of things. To lessen regulation. Is something like this worth having govt not regulating? No inspection to see that the citations were taken care of?

 

[human]

State Police investigate negligence in fatal Schoharie crash

OK, I think I found it:

The Sept. 4 inspection found multiple safety violations of a 2001 Ford Excursion owned by Prestige with the license plate TOGALUX1. The Excursion was cited in September for a malfunction of the ABS indicators for the hydraulic brake system; operating a commercial motor vehicle without proof of a periodic inspection; defective emergency exits; failure to correct defects noted on previous inspection report, and defective windshield wipers.

The September inspection also cited a"failure to correct defects noted on previous inspection report" back in March.

In that March 21 inspection report, Prestige was cited for several issues with the brakes on the Excursion, including brake connections with constrictions and brakes out of service.

Prestige was also cited for operating the Excursion with seating in excess of the manufacturer's designed seating capacity.

It also was cited for several local law violations as well. In all, Prestige was cited for 22 violations to its vehicles in five different inspections in March and September.

RELATED: Inspection documents from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

ETA OMG, does the above link really mean they have NO insurance??????????

Why weren’t the vehicles seized? I bet it is related to rules re govt intervention

 

[Gardenista]

Interesting thread from a reporter who wrote a book that included info about the limo owner

Trevor Aaronson on Twitter

 

[mickey2942]

The front of the vehicle is described as “destroyed” so I’d expect severe crush injuries in the driver and any pax that were close to the front. Anything or any person unsecured in a vehicle going from 60+ mpg to 0 instantly will become a 60+mph projectile. So sadly, there are likely to be cervical spine and head injuries as well as torn aortas, ruptured spleens and livers = fatal injuries.

Remember: No seat belts or shoulder restraints, no air bags, no inside padding, and those seats would be slippery and impossible to keep from sliding with the impact.

Plus, there may have been a bar, glasses, other projectiles in the limousine. Or even the seats could have been loose, that would have crushed the passengers. Just passengers flying around would have been a danger.

 

[Gardenista]

It seems like the trend is to keep govt out of things. To lessen regulation. Is something like this worth having govt not regulating? No inspection to see that the citations were taken care of?

From what we've seen, it's pretty clear Hussain doesn't care about laws.

 

[Gardenista]

 

[Herat]

From what we've seen, it's pretty clear Hussain doesn't care about laws.

That will become more and more evident

The Limo industry is just the place for really shady characters. Lots of illicit stuff goes on: referrals to drug deals, prostitution, human trafficking, and it can be a way to launder money or transport illegal drugs. Many shady characters operate and the general public never goes beyond the cheap flash of the Wow factor when a big fancy car pulls up and drives you and your party around. You don’t ask to see the vehicle inspection reports or the driver’s common carrier licenses. Nor do you take a long look at the exit doors and the layout to figure out the safest place to be.

I’m just the kind of person that insists on a full shoulder - lap belt in my taxis or Ubers and buckles up my car in the garage before I even reverse out of it.

 

[bears10]

I can only speak for regular car inspections, but when I moved from NJ to NY I was shocked that car inspections 1) must be done annually even if you have a brand new car 2) are done by private auto body shops/mechanics etc instead of a state facility. The lady at the dmv actually laughed at me when I went to register my car and asked about the nearest dmv inspection station. She said “oh no, we don’t have enough time or resources for state run inspection stations”. I’m paraphrasing but that was the gist of it.

Ever since tints became illegal in my area (I’m not sure if it’s all of NY or just by me), if you go on any local forum, you’ll come across plenty of threads where people are asking for recommendations for inspection sites that will pass you even if you shouldn’t legally pass bc of your tints. Those types of inspection sites aren’t hard to find. Again, I’m not sure if commercial vehicles have different protocol, but the passenger vehicle inspection processes here surprised me.

 

[Jennifer17]

Did anyone see the episode of Top Gear when they converted an ordinary limo into a stretch limo?
It couldn't get around corners and eventually broke in half.

 

[Harmony 2]

admin note:
Folks do not link to individual businesses unless you are 100% certain it belongs to the correct individual (the suspect in this case) with MSM links to substantiate.