NY - Twenty Fatality Traffic Crash, Schoharie County, 6 Oct 2018

[DexterMorgan]

Maybe, but it seems like the top would be crushed more if it rolled over the amount of times it would take to get it where it ended up.

Thank you.

My phone Internet data is basically depleted and none of the news links or most other sites are not loading for me at the time

So I can only see whats posted here on Websleuths for now. Sorry all.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I'm still having difficulty visualizing how the limo ended up where it did, even with this explanation:

20 die when limo on way to birthday party blows stop sign

The 2001 Ford Excursion limousine was traveling southwest on Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles (270 kilometers) north of New York City around 2 p.m. when it failed to stop at a T-junction with state Route 30A, State Police First Deputy Superintendent Christopher Fiore said at a news conference in Latham, New York.

It went across the road and hit an unoccupied SUV parked at the Apple Barrel Country Store, killing the driver and 17 passengers, as well as two people outside the vehicle.

The crash "sounded like an explosion," said Linda Riley, of nearby Schenectady, who was on a shopping trip with her sisters and had been in their parked car at the time at the store.

When she got out of her vehicle, she saw a body on the ground, she said. People started screaming.
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There was no information Sunday on the limousine, its origin or its integrity.​

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

20 killed after birthday party limo fails to stop

Schoharie, N.Y. – The driver of a limousine heading to a birthday party blew a stop sign at the end of a highway, killing all 18 people in the limo and two pedestrians in the deadliest U.S. transportation crash in almost a decade, officials and a relative of one of the victims said Sunday.

The collision turned a relaxed Saturday afternoon into chaos at an upstate New York spot popular with tourists taking in the fall foliage. An aunt of one of the victims in the vehicle said the group had been traveling to a birthday celebration...

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

It's difficult to wrap my head around how 20 people died in this crash, 18 of them in one vehicle. My heart aches for the community, family and friends of those who died.

 

[CocoChanel]

I'm still having difficulty visualizing how the limo ended up where it did, even with this explanation:

20 die when limo on way to birthday party blows stop sign

The 2001 Ford Excursion limousine was traveling southwest on Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles (270 kilometers) north of New York City around 2 p.m. when it failed to stop at a T-junction with state Route 30A, State Police First Deputy Superintendent Christopher Fiore said at a news conference in Latham, New York.

It went across the road and hit an unoccupied SUV parked at the Apple Barrel Country Store, killing the driver and 17 passengers, as well as two people outside the vehicle.
(Snipped by me)​

This picture with the red line seems to indicate the probable path of the limo after going thru the stop sign at the intersection, and it leads to that bushy treed area that could be a ravine. Is that where it likely ended up? Seems to correlate with the picture of the vehicle we have seen, no?

 

[Gardenista]

This picture with the red line seems to indicate the probable path of the limo after going thru the stop sign at the intersection, and it leads to that bushy treed area that could be a ravine. Is that where it likely ended up? Seems to correlate with the picture of the vehicle we have seen, no?

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If that is the path, how did it hit an empty car in the parking lot?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

This picture with the red line seems to indicate the probable path of the limo after going thru the stop sign at the intersection, and it leads to that bushy treed area that could be a ravine. Is that where it likely ended up? Seems to correlate with the picture of the vehicle we have seen, no?

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The red line makes sense, yet I'm having trouble imagining where the parked car was that the limo struck, where the pedestrians were, and how either might have changed the limo's trajectory.

 

[CocoChanel]

It's difficult to wrap my head around how 20 people died in this crash, 18 of them in one vehicle. My heart aches for the community, family and friends of those who died.

My best guess would be that none were wearing seatbelts probably because there were none required, and the head injuries alone would have been horrific, not to mention internal ones and broken limbs resulting in catastrophic blood loss. Just awful to have to even speculate about this tragedy. Hurts my heart and my stomach. God bless their loved ones.

 

[drama_farmer]

State Police: 20 dead in crash involving limousine

- image of wrecked limo at above site -

Thanks for this link. Below is one of the photos posted at the above link. It shows some of the limo.
There appears to be a dark colored SUV also in the woods, in the background.

ETA: uploaded lower res image for folks on slow connections!

 

[Gardenista]

The red line makes sense, yet I'm having trouble imagining where the parked car was that the limo struck, where the pedestrians were, and how either might have changed the limo's trajectory.

The only thing I can think of is there is overflow parking on the edge of the driveway.

 

[CocoChanel]

The red line makes sense, yet I'm having trouble imagining where the parked car was that the limo struck, where the pedestrians were, and how either might have changed the limo's trajectory.

It was said it was a popular tourist spot and maybe the parking lot had many more cars, maybe even some overflow on that dirt area to the right of the driveway which would have been close to the red path. Perhaps?

 

[rainynights]

A photo of a Ford Excursion SUV limo, just as an example of how large the vehicle can be (I don't know if the one in the crash is this long, tho):

Ford Excursion - Wikipedia

The Ford Excursion is a heavy duty (Class 2), extended-length sport utility vehicle that was produced by Ford from 1999 to 2005, launched for 2000 in the North American market.
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During and since its production, the Excursion has become a basis for several types of aftermarket vehicles. The Excursion became a basis for stretch limousines; as a result of its truck-derived chassis, many examples were stretched longer than the 120-inch limit imposed by Ford on the Lincoln Town Car sedan.​

If the vehicle shown in this photo taken at the scene -- originally shared by Jax49, photo at link below -- looked anything like the one you posted above, it appears to me that the front driver's and passenger's seat section of the limo are missing. Wondering if the impact was so strong, and coupled with a potential conversion, that they found the vehicle in two different pieces. Jmo

State Police: 20 dead in crash involving limousine

- image of wrecked limo at above site -

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

If the vehicle shown in this photo taken at the scene -- originally shared by Jax49, photo at link below -- looked anything like the one you posted above, it appears to me that the front driver's and passenger's seat section of the limo are missing. Wondering if the impact was so strong, and coupled with a potential conversion, that they found the vehicle in two different pieces. Jmo

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Yes, good point. The photos aren't of the same limo (I pulled the one I posted from Wikipedia). That said, I've wondered the same thing — I don't see the front end of the limo in the photos from the Apple Barrel crash scene. It doesn't mean it's not there ... I just haven't seen it.

 

[Gardenista]

Thanks for this link. Below is one of the photos posted at the above link. It shows some of the limo.
There appears to be a dark colored SUV also in the woods, in the background.

Google Maps

Maybe the dark SUV is parked where I circled in red in the attached screenshot

 

[DexterMorgan]

Thats like a passenger bus doing 55mph going down Pacheco Pass or the Grapevine here in California.

Its not advisable and could be against the law since its not a highway.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

If the vehicle shown in this photo taken at the scene -- originally shared by Jax49, photo at link below -- looked anything like the one you posted above, it appears to me that the front driver's and passenger's seat section of the limo could be missing. Wondering if the impact was so strong, and coupled with a potential conversion, that they found the vehicle in two different pieces. Jmo

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Thanks for this link. Below is one of the photos posted at the above link. It shows some of the limo.
There appears to be a dark colored SUV also in the woods, in the background.

ETA: uploaded lower res image for folks on slow connections!

OK, so if the navy automobile in the image you posted might be the SUV the limo struck — could this photo show the limo broken into more than one piece?

This is grim, but could it be? Looking at the bottom left of the image and upper right quadrant:

 

[CocoChanel]

20 killed when limousine carrying upstate birthday party crashes - NY Daily News

The white SUV in the foreground might be the limo, not sure, but it appears many vehicles are behind it, which I would expect since there were many emergency responders there.

Also this from the same link:

The restaurant is a popular tourist spot during fall foliage season. Its parking lot was crowded with people and vehicles at the time of the crash, according to local reports.

 

[crhedBngr]

OK, so if the navy automobile in the image you posted might be the SUV the limo struck — could this photo show the limo broken into more that one piece?

This is grim, but could it be? Looking at the bottom left of the image and upper right quadrant:

That may be the case . . . it's difficult to tell, because of all the bushes.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm still having difficulty visualizing how the limo ended up where it did, even with this explanation:

20 die when limo on way to birthday party blows stop sign

The 2001 Ford Excursion limousine was traveling southwest on Route 30 in Schoharie, about 170 miles (270 kilometers) north of New York City around 2 p.m. when it failed to stop at a T-junction with state Route 30A, State Police First Deputy Superintendent Christopher Fiore said at a news conference in Latham, New York.

It went across the road and hit an unoccupied SUV parked at the Apple Barrel Country Store, killing the driver and 17 passengers, as well as two people outside the vehicle.

The crash "sounded like an explosion," said Linda Riley, of nearby Schenectady, who was on a shopping trip with her sisters and had been in their parked car at the time at the store.

When she got out of her vehicle, she saw a body on the ground, she said. People started screaming.
...

There was no information Sunday on the limousine, its origin or its integrity.​

It appears it just kept going straight on its course into the trees. No turn.

 

[drama_farmer]

Here's another photo, taken at night, of the vehicle extraction. I think I see a front wheel, way to the right hand side.

Photo is from link Jax posted