NY - Twenty Fatality Traffic Crash, Schoharie County, 6 Oct 2018

[MsBetsy]

There are 5 parts to a Dmv Commercial driving exam.

Written, Pretrip inspection, Skills test and road test and Medical exam. Atleast in most states.

But Commercial drivers are supposed to do a pretrip inspection everytime. But some just hop in and go. It does happen.

I got mine before the road test was required. Maybe that's why I didnt know anything about doing any inspections, and why there were hundreds of people in a mad rush to obtain the license 2 days before the law changed. At any rate , I don't see how it would make a difference. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the company, and that's why the owner is being charged. Even if the driver was supposed to inspect the vehicle, the company is responsible for making sure this occurs. I just don't see how they can get out of this, even if the driver had not been killed. Jmo

 

[jjenny]

My understanding the owner is out of the country and it's his son who was the operator who is being charged. I don't think anyone is arguing the operator shouldn't be charged. More than one person can be charged for incident such as this one.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I got mine before the road test was required. Maybe that's why I didnt know anything about doing any inspections, and why there were hundreds of people in a mad rush to obtain the license 2 days before the law changed. At any rate , I don't see how it would make a difference. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the company, and that's why the owner is being charged. Even if the driver was supposed to inspect the vehicle, the company is responsible for making sure this occurs. I just don't see how they can get out of this, even if the driver had not been killed. Jmo

A school bus company doesn't watch their school bus drivers do their personal pretrip daily inspection.

But questions and focus would be on said driver if something happened that should have been spotted during an inspection they neglected to do. Jmo.

But I understand your point as well.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Maybe they were preparing to get the h*ll out of Dodge?

Join their father in Pakistan?

 

[MsBetsy]

A school bus company doesn't watch their school bus drivers do their personal pretrip daily inspection.

But questions and focus would be on said driver if something happened that should have been spotted during an inspection they neglected to do. Jmo.

But I understand your point as well.

Yes, I understand. And I would be willing to bet school bus drivers don't keep up with all that on a regular basis either. Its like someone just mentioned, we are all supposed to check tires, mirrors, etc., to make sure everything is ok. I just don't think everyone does that all the time. I wonder who took the particular vehicle to be inspected. It just seems like the employer is responsible for making sure the vehicle is safe to drive, as well as making sure the employees meet the requirements. I don't see how anyone else can be responsible. Jmo

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I understand. And I would be willing to bet school bus drivers don't keep up with all that on a regular basis either. Its like someone just mentioned, we are all supposed to check tires, mirrors, etc., to make sure everything is ok. I just don't think everyone does that all the time. I wonder who took the particular vehicle to be inspected. It just seems like the employer is responsible for making sure the vehicle is safe to drive, as well as making sure the employees meet the requirements. I don't see how anyone else can be responsible. Jmo

More than one person can be charged. Look at the case in the linked article below, the owner and the driver both were charged.
Crime report: Charges filed against trucking co. owner in Humboldt hockey team crash

 

[Isabelle]

Lets see how the lawsuits go. I'm betting that the state will settle.

Why would the state settle?

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm talking about the earlier incident. The article says "Lisinicchia was cited for operating without a proper license". Normally when someone is found to be driving without a proper license, their vehicle has to be towed, or at very least a proper licensed driver has to come and get it. They are not allowed to just drive it away. Which is apparently what happened. IHMO, the cop is guilty of gross negligence for allowing him to legally drive away in an unsafe vehicle.

Right, but in this particular incident did he actually have passengers in the vehicle? Or was it just based on capacity? Why was he pulled over?

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder what was going on in the Hussain brothers’ lives. Maybe it’s nothing. But they suddenly moved out of their mansion in the later part of the night two days prior to the limo crash. The limo involved in the crash was up for sale. The motel is up for sale. A suspicious death happened in their motel shortly after the crash (although reports say the death is not connected to the owner.) Just seems to be a lot of major changes happening at the same time.

Didn't bother repairing the limo because they planned on dumping it on some buyer and moving on???

jmo

 

[jjenny]

Didn't bother repairing the limo because they planned on dumping it on some buyer and moving on???

jmo

From what has been reported, they were trying to sell it.

 

[Inthedetails]

From what has been reported, they were trying to sell it.

Right....so were they planning to get out of the business and move on? No interest in maintenance because of that?

jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

Right....so were they planning to get out of the business and move on? No interest in maintenance because of that?

jmo

Exactly. If Im currently selling my Big Rig for major thousands of dollars. Then I probably wouldn't drive it unless its for the test drive.

 

[Mica]

The driver is dead so it's not possible to charge him. What would have happened if he wasn't dead? Presumably at the very least he would be facing some sort of violation for not having a proper license.

Both Nauman Hussain and the driver were instructed not to drive the vehicle.

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Scott Lisinicchia, the driver in the deadly crash, was pulled over in the same limo on August 25 on Weibel Avenue in Saratoga Springs, where state police determined he did not have the proper license to drive it.

Police also notified Lisinicchia's employer, Prestige Limousine, that he "could not operate the vehicle without additional licensure." The police also took steps to ensure that the vehicle was taken off the road, returned to its original location and directed the driver not to drive the vehicle."

The notification was made to Nauman Hussain, the son of the owner of Prestige Limo. Nauman Hussain was also informed that the vehicle was not properly registered with the U.S. Department of Transportation.

Limo owner's son charged following deadly NY crash

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The state trooper issued violations Prestige Limousine and advised both Lisinicchia and the company that he "could not operate the limousine without additional licensure," a state police source told ABC News.


Son of limo company owner charged with negligent homicide in horrific crash

 

[DexterMorgan]

Schumer: Feds haven't done enough to investigate limo safety

WASHINGTON (AP) On the heels of a horrific limousine crash that killed 20 people in upstate New York, the Senate's top Democrat is pointing to glaring gaps in safety data that he says exist because federal officials have not done enough to investigate limo wrecks.

"The sad fact here is that right now everyone is talking about limo safety when we could have been studying it for the past few years," Schumer said. "The NTSB knows they need to fix this situation so we can have as much information as possible available."

The agency - charged by Congress to conduct independent probes and make safety recommendations - agreed to investigate limo crashes on a case-by-case basis after a 2015 wreck that killed four women on New York's Long Island.

But Schumer says that since then, multiple crashes should have been investigated and would have netted "critical safety data" about the structure and safety components of limousines. Federal crash data compiled by The Associated Press shows there were seven limousine crashes in 2015 and two in 2016.

Factory-built limousines must meet stringent safety regulations. But luxury cars converted to limos, like the one in last week's crash, often lack such safety components as side-impact air bags, reinforced rollover protection bars and accessible emergency exits.

Few federal regulations govern limos modified after leaving the factory, and regulations often vary by state.

Schumer: Feds haven't done enough to investigate limo safety

You can't confiscate every Commercial vehicle that doesn't pass inspection. The owners were the sneaky ones here. Jmo

 

[MsBetsy]

More than one person can be charged. Look at the case in the linked article below, the owner and the driver both were charged.
Crime report: Charges filed against trucking co. owner in Humboldt hockey team crash

Yes, but in the link you provided the driver is still living. In this case, who are they going to bring charges against? Who is liable? Should they sue the widow of the driver?

 

[Mica]

You can't confiscate every Commercial vehicle that doesn't pass inspection. The owners were the sneaky ones here. Jmo

Agree.

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“The trooper also took steps to ensure that the vehicle was taken off the road, returned to its original location and directed the driver not to drive the vehicle," state police said.

But police said the trooper did not have the legal authority to seize the plates or the vehicle during that stop.

Troopers arrest operator of limo company after deadly New York crash

 

[MsBetsy]

You can't confiscate every Commercial vehicle that doesn't pass inspection. The owners were the sneaky ones here. Jmo

Of course, they knew for months or longer, the brake line was dangling and risked making contact with the tire, at the very least. The braking system was not working properly, and the emergency window and door were not working. The vehicle could only hold 9 passengers safely, plus the driver. They obviously did not care. Jmo

 

[KaaBoom]

Why would the state settle?

Maybe because they did nothing to stop this crap company from operating these unregistered, unsafe deathtraps, with improperly licensed drivers.

 

[KaaBoom]

Right, but in this particular incident did he actually have passengers in the vehicle? Or was it just based on capacity? Why was he pulled over?

It doesn't matter if he had passengers or not. He was operating an unsafe, unregistered vehicle without a proper driver's license for it. If they had done their job, and impounded the vehicle, 20 people would be alive right now.

 

[MsBetsy]

Lets see how the lawsuits go. I'm betting that the state will settle.

With Hussain? They might, I can't imagine they would want a trial. It will be interesting to see if his father is brought into it, since he is the actual owner of the company. Yet his son was left in charge, and his lawyer did mention that the father basically ran things. He is already pointing the finger at the "dangerous" road, as being the cause of the accident.