Observations About Boulder (and a theory)

[joeskidbeck]

Heyya DeeDee.

No kidding!

Barnhill, he was shut down as well.

BBM

I totally agree with this, Tad. Probably one of the best witnesses they had and someone got to him!

 

[SunnieRN]

What do you think did get to these people? Pressure, good 'ole Southern charm, big bucks, threats, or a combination of the above? I always felt with Barnhill that it had a lot to do with Jacques.

 

[DeeDee249]

What do you think did get to these people? Pressure, good 'ole Southern charm, big bucks, threats, or a combination of the above? I always felt with Barnhill that it had a lot to do with Jacques.

Not the charm. And they (Barnhill and Stanton) weren't paid off. IMO it was THREATS from the R lawyers and posse.

 

[DeeDee249]

thanks Tadpole, I didnt know she had changed her story.....I just couldnt imagine hearing a loud scream during the night and no dialing 911 STAT.

MS had said that she didn't call 911 because she felt that if SHE heard the scream across the street, that the child's parents would certainly have heard it. Of course, she did not know at the time she heard the scream what had happened.

 

[SunnieRN]

And speaking of the parents hearing the scream, remember PMPT, where Lou and the Boulder PD do the whistling experiment? To me that proved the R's had to have heard it. Remember their window was always open, or a least cracked. It was loud from across the street!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I find it more strange that Melody Stanton heard a scream rather than that the Ramsey's didn't hear anything. They were three floors higher, almost 7000 square feet, carpeting, doors shut, etc. Although I don't believe IDI, I can definitely see how JBR could be killed in the basement and no one heard a thing. Also, I know the houses on their street are close together but I always found it weird how Melody Stanton actually heard JBR scream. The houses on my street are pretty close too and I NEVER have heard things going on INSIDE my neighbor's houses. And didn't Melody Stanton dismiss it as, "Oh JBR's just having a nightmare"? Doesn't that sound like maybe that wasn't the first time they heard screams from the R's house? And how did they know it was JBR? Was she the only little girl on the block?

I also think that the reason she changed her story was either because of the R's "people" or the media getting to her; most likely, both.

 

[SunnieRN]

I find it more strange that Melody Stanton heard a scream rather than that the Ramsey's didn't hear anything. They were three floors higher, almost 7000 square feet, carpeting, doors shut, etc. Although I don't believe IDI, I can definitely see how JBR could be killed in the basement and no one heard a thing. Also, I know the houses on their street are close together but I always found it weird how Melody Stanton actually heard JBR scream. The houses on my street are pretty close too and I NEVER have heard things going on INSIDE my neighbor's houses. And didn't Melody Stanton dismiss it as, "Oh JBR's just having a nightmare"? Doesn't that sound like maybe that wasn't the first time they heard screams from the R's house? And how did they know it was JBR? Was she the only little girl on the block?

I also think that the reason she changed her story was either because of the R's "people" or the media getting to her; most likely, both.

There was a pipe/duct, that they figured carried the sound, as it was an open duct to the outside. I hear noise from my neighbors house when I am walking with my grandchildren, so I can understand it happening.

 

[DeeDee249]

I find it more strange that Melody Stanton heard a scream rather than that the Ramsey's didn't hear anything. They were three floors higher, almost 7000 square feet, carpeting, doors shut, etc. Although I don't believe IDI, I can definitely see how JBR could be killed in the basement and no one heard a thing. Also, I know the houses on their street are close together but I always found it weird how Melody Stanton actually heard JBR scream. The houses on my street are pretty close too and I NEVER have heard things going on INSIDE my neighbor's houses. And didn't Melody Stanton dismiss it as, "Oh JBR's just having a nightmare"? Doesn't that sound like maybe that wasn't the first time they heard screams from the R's house? And how did they know it was JBR? Was she the only little girl on the block?

I also think that the reason she changed her story was either because of the R's "people" or the media getting to her; most likely, both.

LE did tests in the R basement, in the area just outside the WC. They placed LE across the street in front if the Stanton's home as well as up in the Rs third-floor bedroom. The basement vent pipe allowed a scream to be heard in BOTH locations. If the neighbor heard the scream, so did anyone in Patsy & JR's bedroom.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I heard that a test was done (not sure by who) and that the scream could only be heard by the Stantons and not by the R's. So there who were two tests done each with different results?

 

[DeeDee249]

I heard that a test was done (not sure by who) and that the scream could only be heard by the Stantons and not by the R's. So there who were two tests done each with different results?

In PMPT ( the book and the movie) the scream is said to be heard in both locations. I have no clue if more than one test was done.

 

[Agatha_C]

The R's bedroom window was cracked open (JR's admission). It was also closer too the exhaust pipe than the neighbors across the street, no matter what LS, tried to tell everyone.

 

[SunnieRN]

In PMPT ( the book and the movie) the scream is said to be heard in both locations. I have no clue if more than one test was done.

LS didn't scream, he just whistled. It was heard in the master bedroom and across the street.

 

[Agatha_C]

A little girls, or heck any small child's scream is ear piercing. Also, this is mostly for mothers, tell me you cant hear the slightest sound your child makes, even if you dont realize it. You will come out of a dead sleep if you even think you hear your child. This is a crazy point I know, but as a mother its a very important detail for me.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

A little girls, or heck any small child's scream is ear piercing. Also, this is mostly for mothers, tell me you cant hear the slightest sound your child makes, even if you dont realize it. You will come out of a dead sleep if you even think you hear your child. This is a crazy point I know, but as a mother its a very important detail for me.

True....and I would not have been sleeping way up on the third floor with my kids down on the second floor in the first place!

 

[SunnieRN]

I still wake up when I hear one of my grandchildren. That is one of the things I always felt the R's never explained. No one heard JB get up and eat pineapple, no one heard her scream, no one ever sensed or felt like something was wrong. I would wake up if my daughter was too quiet!

We also looked a long time to find a home with all the bedrooms on the same side of the house, while still allowing for tv's, music, slumber parties and sick kids. Close, but not on top of each other.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

A little girls, or heck any small child's scream is ear piercing. Also, this is mostly for mothers, tell me you cant hear the slightest sound your child makes, even if you dont realize it. You will come out of a dead sleep if you even think you hear your child. This is a crazy point I know, but as a mother its a very important detail for me.

But what about kids who sneak out of the house? Their parents don't hear anything and a lot of the time, the kid is back in bed before it's morning. I know that those kids are much older than JBR but they are still their mom's child.

I know what you are saying, that IF JBR was being killed by someone in the basement, Patsy somehow should have woken up even if she didn't necessarily hear anything but just wake up and have this feeling that something very bad was happening. I don't necessarily disagree but then how does that explain how some 16-year-old can sneak out and go to a party and no one hears a thing?

 

[DeeDee249]

But what about kids who sneak out of the house? Their parents don't hear anything and a lot of the time, the kid is back in bed before it's morning.

That would be me....

 

[claudicici]

I think your motherly instincts unfortunately fade once they become older.
When my daughter was younger every little sound she made would wake me up and I would check on her.Now that she's a teenager unfortunately she could sneak out and I probably would not notice.

 

[Agatha_C]

But what about kids who sneak out of the house? Their parents don't hear anything and a lot of the time, the kid is back in bed before it's morning. I know that those kids are much older than JBR but they are still their mom's child.

I know what you are saying, that IF JBR was being killed by someone in the basement, Patsy somehow should have woken up even if she didn't necessarily hear anything but just wake up and have this feeling that something very bad was happening. I don't necessarily disagree but then how does that explain how some 16-year-old can sneak out and go to a party and no one hears a thing?

I understand where you're coming from. A sixteen year old is sneaking out and being very quiet. In this case, someone is wandering around the house, a child is being stun gunned, she screams, she ate a snack with her brother, doors are opening and closing, grates are being moved, and someone is climbing out a window. A mother, should hear those noises, especially a scream. If it were as simple, as a sixteen year old sneaking out, I would understand, but eileen, it wasnt simple and her parents heard nothing.

Just the noise the stun gun alone would have created, the sound of the gun itself, the cry out because it hurts (even when asleep) and the body jerks she would have had and at some point she had to cry as it was wearing off.

I'm not saying, a mother is bad because she didnt hear a sixteen year old sneak out, but she didnt hear her six year old baby scream, you cant explain that too me.

 

[SunnieRN]

When my brother and I were small, my parents never heard a thing. When my brother was 2, he used to wake up EARLY and sneak out of the house. This was 48 years ago and we lived in a pretty small and pretty safe town. I was the one who used to wake up, chase him down the street, bring him back home!

My daughter has a hard time waking up also. Inless I've worked, I hear the kids before she does. So, yes, I can see how parents could possibly sleep through things, but that IMHO is even more of a reason to be closer to them in the house!