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A dog walker tipped police to the discovery after seeing a head in a half buried suitcase while attempting to get a dog away from it.
Well, if they were cared for by family I'd think the police would know that there was a missing person's report made and could put 2 and 2 together. But since they are trying to identify them... it makes me wonder if it wasn't a stranger to the children that did this. Just awful. They were so young. :(

From your article:

“At this time, we don’t know how long the juveniles had been at this location. It was some time,’’ Cleveland Police Chief Dorothy Todd said Tuesday — describing one of the girls as having been between 8-and-a-half and 13 years old and the other ranging from 10 and a half to 14.
 
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As suspected:

“We don’t know how long the juveniles had been at this location. It was some time, so it’s not just something that was recent.”

The girls have not been linked to any active missing persons cases in the area, the chief said.


 
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Interestingly police were adamant that there was not a risk to the community, even through they have no clue who they are or who did it. How can the be adamant about that? Perhaps because family didn't report them missing and are adding the same 2 + 2 together that I did? Also...

Detectives are also checking with state and federal partners.

Video at the link:

 
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This is crazy. How do two children of that age go missing, and nobody noticed?
 
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This is crazy. How do two children of that age go missing, and nobody noticed?
Moo...foster care, adopted, transient parents. That's how i was kept inline..nobody will be looking for you...moo
 
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Horrific
 
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Interestingly police were adamant that there was not a risk to the community, even through they have no clue who they are or who did it. How can the be adamant about that? Perhaps because family didn't report them missing and are adding the same 2 + 2 together that I did? Also...

Detectives are also checking with state and federal partners.

Video at the link:

guessing the "no risk to the public" is related to the remains having been there for a while.
 
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This is crazy. How do two children of that age go missing, and nobody noticed?
Was it "nobody noticed" or nobody said anything when they did? It's the same difference at some point. My guess is these two are going to be siblings. I'm local so I'll be keeping my eyes out for updates. If you move out of state and never enroll your kids in school... would anyone outside family notice? Probably not. I haven't seen the neighbors kids play outside in awhile but I wouldn't automatically assume they're missing, yknow?
 
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This is east 162/Midland, per google images. I can't imagine that is where they were found but it does make me uneasy. It's not a wooded area behind this, there's a fence and another house. It's also extremely close to a school.
 

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Moo... between 8 n 14. I was 12 never went to school after that age but my younger siblings did..school babysitter...so might be easier to identify the younger one..moo
 
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No matching missing persons reports is so dang sad. I hope these poor girls can be identified soon. ☹️
 
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This is crazy. How do two children of that age go missing, and nobody noticed?
It happens all the time, has done forever. St Louis Jane Doe. Yuna and Minu Jo. Kenyatta Odom. Madison Doe. Jesus Dominguez Jr and Yesenia Dominguez. Elwyn Crocker Jr and Mary Crocker. Jasmine and Nicole Snyder. I could go on.

I just hope that these kids don't have to wait decades like St Louis and Madison Doe. Get that genetic genealogy happening NOW, it resolved Kenyatta's case quickly once it was used.

MOO
 
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This is east 162/Midland, per google images. I can't imagine that is where they were found but it does make me uneasy. It's not a wooded area behind this, there's a fence and another house. It's also extremely close to a school.
This is an interesting location, especially since there’s a recycling plant/junk yard a block away in one direction and a massive rail yard a block in the other direction. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the property these children were found was abandoned and overgrown. Plenty of vacant homes and lots in Collinwood.

There are a lot of rough areas of Cleveland and this is one of them. There used to be so much industry here and so many neighbors suffered when industries moved over seas.

I’ve been checking the Cuyahoga County M.E.’s decedent intake list and, unsurprisingly, these children aren’t listed as I’m sure it will take awhile to ID them. If I see any updates, I’ll be sure to share here.
 
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questions I look forward to answers on:

are the girls genetically linked/related?
what is the approximate time of death and are they around the same timeframe or different time periods?
Any missing children or families in the geographical area that might align with one or both bodies?
 
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This is east 162/Midland, per google images. I can't imagine that is where they were found but it does make me uneasy. It's not a wooded area behind this, there's a fence and another house. It's also extremely close to a school.
Yes, they were found near the school in a mound of dirt near Saranac Playground.

 
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As I said above, they were found near near Saranac Playground. That's at 162nd & Midland.

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LE is standing in a field of grass which I believe is opposite the playground as can be seen if you click on the map source above. You can also see the chain link fence. What I'm not able to find in that general area is the KEEP OUT sign that can be seen. Perhaps it's just because of the angle Google map camera is from the road, and my inability to be able to zoom in where I want and from what angle.

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How horrific. I walk my dog every day, and if I ever found a child's severed head, I'd be in therapy for life.

I have so many questions (of course!). The NY Post article says, "...a dog-walker stumbled on one of the luggage pieces and spotted a head inside."

But if you watch the video, the man who had been walking his dog says: "I had been walking past that for at least a week, that pile of dirt, for at least a week, before I even just, you know, went across my mind that I would check it."

Interviewer: "Was it buried?"

Man: "Yeah, yeah, it was buried pretty much, uh, you could just see like the very top of it sticking out of the dirt."

The article quotes the Police Chief as saying, "We don't know how long the juveniles had been at this location. It was some time."

Obviously, this case is brand new, so it's not surprising that things are confusing right now... but the article saying the man "stumbled on" the suitcase makes it sound spontaneous, whereas he's on camera saying he's been aware of that mound of dirt for at least a week. If he walks his dog in that area on a regular basis and has been seeing the dirt pile for at least a week, I'm wondering if the dog had been sniffing/pulling towards/showing interest in the dirt pile every day and it was only this particular day that the man "gave in" and unburied the suitcase enough to look inside. Or did the dog not alert to the dirt pile until this particular walk? And if that's so, why?

How did someone manage to bury bodies in these two presumably LARGE suitcases, since the children were estimated to be possibly as old as 13 and 14, without anyone noticing? This doesn't seem like a very isolated area, given that at least one man and his dog walk there on a regular basis. When were the suitcases buried? Did this man only start noticing the dirt pile about a week ago because that's when they were buried, or was it because A) that's when he started walking his dogs there, B) that's when the weather changed enough, or something else changed in the environment to make the dirt pile more noticeable, or C) some other reason? A quick online search shows that a week before the bodies were found, the weather in Cleveland was mid-20s and lightly snowing. It would have been quite difficult for someone to bury two large, heavy suitcases in those conditions. An online search also indicates that Cleveland has had an unusually snowy winter. So I wonder if perhaps the snow just recently melted, causing this dirt pile with the bit of the suitcase sticking out of it to become visible, and maybe the suitcase had been buried at least a couple months ago before the snow came.
 
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Found it! I was able to match up a pic of where LE is parked in the video linked at the bottom, with the pic of the school from Google maps. Wish I could move it around to get the exact angle I want but it is what it is. Close enough.

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Another angle:
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So, it appears to me that they drove down the driveway between the school on the left and the playground on the right, and buried them back there which is a good place if you don't want to be observed IMO.

Map source HERE if you want to play around with it.
 
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This is east 162/Midland, per google images. I can't imagine that is where they were found but it does make me uneasy. It's not a wooded area behind this, there's a fence and another house. It's also extremely close to a school.
Thank you @EphemerallyAya
Could you please provide the link to this image? We require that when you post any picture you need to link back to it's origin.
Thank you.
Tricia
 

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