GUILTY OH - Barb Williams for child abuse, Hancock County, 2014

[ScarlettScarpetta]

IMO, Barb Williams needs to be assessed. Have her take a battery (no pun intended) of tests. Have her seen by a psychiatrist, a psychologist, a mental health counselor...you know, the works.

Perhaps the woman REALLY does have a legitimate reason for being REALLY nasty to kids.

I still want to know what she did to the student when she took him to the blind spot. Was she asked? If not, why not?

My guess is she realized she was being recorded, which pissed her off even more than she already admitted to, and did more nasty things to the student.

Yeah, that woman REALLY needs to be assessed.

Scary isn't it? To think if she did this in eye of the camera what did she do when she left that spot??

She is a horrid abuser.

 

[screecher]

Another thing, Barb Williams also needs a thorough background check, going back 30 years or so.

She was hired in this district 14 years ago. Where was she before then? Why did she leave?

Yeah, there's a backstory regarding Barb Williams, IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Another thing, Barb Williams also needs a thorough background check, going back 30 years or so.

She was hired in this district 14 years ago. Where was she before then? Why did she leave?

Yeah, there's a backstory regarding Barb Williams, IMO.

Was she a teacher before this job???

 

[screecher]

^ Not sure. Not even sure if in her 30 years of being a teacher, it was all in Ohio.

IMO, this woman needs an intensive and extensive background check.

 

[blue22]

I'm not blaming anyone, Scarlett, and I can tell that any opinion other than what you agree with is extremely upsetting to you.

Maybe you should skip and scroll over those you don't agree with?

I trust the counselor's "take" on this more than I trust yours. I think a school counselor can ferret out when a child is too traumatized to speak or if they simply are unable to recall an incident.

Just so this doesn't get ugly, I'm going to stop responding to your constant attempts to pick a fight.

Peace.

School counselors are not equipped or trained to deal with emotional trauma in children. In most states in only requires a masters in any field, teacher certification, a counselor certification earned through the teacher certification process, and 1-2 years of teaching experience.

I would never trust a counselors take. They are glorified administrators. They deal with paperwork and complaints, they are not the people to deal with situations like these. Nor, are they the people to interview kids who have experienced trauma.

 

[JeannaT]

School counselors are not equipped or trained to deal with emotional trauma in children. In most states in only requires a masters in any field, teacher certification, a counselor certification earned through the teacher certification process, and 1-2 years of teaching experience.

I would never trust a counselors take. They are glorified administrators. They deal with paperwork and complaints, they are not the people to deal with situations like these. Nor, are they the people to interview kids who have experienced trauma.

Really. I don't know where you live, but in my area, school counselors ARE equipped to deal with emotional trauma in children.

The more I visit this website, the more grateful I am that I live within my school district.

I am curious though. Wherever you live, blue, what in the world is the role of a school counselor?

 

[blue22]

Really. I don't know where you live, but in my area, school counselors ARE equipped to deal with emotional trauma in children.

The more I visit this website, the more grateful I am that I live within my school district.

I am curious though. Wherever you live, blue, what in the world is the role of a school counselor?

So, they are required to have education specializing in child psycology? The are required to have education and training in dealing with childhood trauma and abuse? The are required to keep their psycology credentials up to date year after year? They are trained in interviewing children who have been in traumatic or abusive situations? They are trained in dealing with abusive and threatening adults? Only people with those credentials should be interviewing a child about an abusive and possible criminal situation. School counselors are NOT trained in any state, to specifically specialize in childhood trauma. More than anything, counselors jobs are to take parental complaints, deal with schedules, and deal with general classroom issues. Unless you have worked in counseling offices, you are greatly overestimating the daily roles of counselors.

 

[Cailin Rua]

They are not trained in forensic interview.

 

[human]

So, they are required to have education specializing in child psycology? The are required to have education and training in dealing with childhood trauma and abuse? The are required to keep their psycology credentials up to date year after year? They are trained in interviewing children who have been in traumatic or abusive situations? They are trained in dealing with abusive and threatening adults? Only people with those credentials should be interviewing a child about an abusive and possible criminal situation. School counselors are NOT trained in any state, to specifically specialize in childhood trauma. More than anything, counselors jobs are to take parental complaints, deal with schedules, and deal with general classroom issues. Unless you have worked in counseling offices, you are greatly overestimating the daily roles of counselors.

That is absolutely not true where I live. All school systems are not equal in the US. We require real nurses at schools as well.

I keep harping on this, but I bet million dollars that there have been other issues with this woman that have been not dealt with by administration.

They should be held accountable as well.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Really. I don't know where you live, but in my area, school counselors ARE equipped to deal with emotional trauma in children.

The more I visit this website, the more grateful I am that I live within my school district.

I am curious though. Wherever you live, blue, what in the world is the role of a school counselor?

Not all school counselors are the same. And these days with lots of budget cuts you don't always get the same caliber or even one that knows the children because they most likely travel all over.

I am blessed in my school district. We have on site nurses,counselors, psychiatrist,and speech therapists. Not all schools have this. My aunt teaches in a district where they don't even have a school library. No on site professionals.

It depends where you are but still, That does not mean this counselor because that is not the same as a school psychiatrist, knew how to interview the child properly or that the child was not petrified to speak.

 

[human]

In some states you do not even need a teaching degree to teach.

Because of privacy laws, many people have no idea of the issues teachers face with children. There are so many issues. Drugs, abuse, depression, violence. On and on.

I believe it is a Federal law that all schools practice drills and have in place a plan for school shooters. Crazy world

 

[K_Z]

I truly think not only should the teacher be held accountable, but the administration as well.

I cannot understand why this child was wandering with no assistance and why the child could not be moved to another room. There are more issues here.

What specifically do you think the computer class teacher should have done differently, with regard to the wandering? Every public elementary school has children who wander, or do not go where they are supposed to be. There isn’t a staff member or parent volunteer available to escort every child to the bathroom every time, unless the child has an IEP that lays out that level of supervision/ services. The choices are to keep the child in the classroom (deny the bathroom request, which is filled with other issues), or allow/ trust them to go to the bathroom alone. It’s not appropriate to task another child to always “buddy” for bathroom breaks, to act as a watcher or reporter. Schools aren’t (yet) prisons with someone watching banks of security cameras trained on every corner of the school. We don’t radiotag the kids to monitor their movements. Every student cannot be watched every second, unless they have lots of official documentation that states they must have that level of supervision. Otherwise, it is considered a behavior issue, and dealt with by laying out consequences, removal of privileges, etc. Some schools used to use big huge colorful hall pass and bathroom passes they kids had to carry, to identify their destination to anyone who saw them. But now even THAT layer of security has been called embarrassing and discriminatory. What should schools do about “wandering” children? It’s a serious question.


We don’t know what the situation was earlier in the year (November, barely 8 weeks into the school year) when parents asked for a teacher re-assignment. Most schools have clear and detailed policies about when, and under what circumstances a child will be moved to another classroom. (Because parents request all sorts of things related to classroom assignment, and class composition, for all sorts of reasons). Parent request is not usually sufficient, nor is a complaint that the student doesn’t like the teacher, or the teacher “doesn’t like” the student. There has to be a clear and documented, appropriate reason as to why a child is moved to another classroom. As far as public school, a parent is free to work within the policies and procedures, but can’t always demand for their requests to be followed. Public school has to take all children—they can’t deny enrollment to kids who have issues, or parents they don’t want to work with. A parent has to learn how the system works, and work within that system. If the school or classroom isn’t working out, the parents always retain the authority to move the child out of the school to another educational situation. (As inconvenient as that might be.)

(My husband would LOL if he knew I was "defending" school policies! We have had our concerns with public school-- no private schools in our area. My best strategy has been to learn how to deal with the system using their own policies and procedures. And it helps to get on committees and boards that make decisions about policies, too.)

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

What specifically do you think the computer class teacher should have done differently, with regard to the wandering? Every public elementary school has children who wander, or do not go where they are supposed to be. There isn’t a staff member or parent volunteer available to escort every child to the bathroom every time, unless the child has an IEP that lays out that level of supervision/ services. The choices are to keep the child in the classroom (deny the bathroom request, which is filled with other issues), or allow/ trust them to go to the bathroom alone. It’s not appropriate to task another child to always “buddy” for bathroom breaks, to act as a watcher or reporter. Schools aren’t (yet) prisons with someone watching banks of security cameras trained on every corner of the school. We don’t radiotag the kids to monitor their movements. Every student cannot be watched every second, unless they have lots of official documentation that states they must have that level of supervision. Otherwise, it is considered a behavior issue, and dealt with by laying out consequences, removal of privileges, etc. Some schools used to use big huge colorful hall pass and bathroom passes they kids had to carry, to identify their destination to anyone who saw them. But now even THAT layer of security has been called embarrassing and discriminatory. What should schools do about “wandering” children? It’s a serious question.


We don’t know what the situation was earlier in the year (November, barely 8 weeks into the school year) when parents asked for a teacher re-assignment. Most schools have clear and detailed policies about when, and under what circumstances a child will be moved to another classroom. (Because parents request all sorts of things related to classroom assignment, and class composition, for all sorts of reasons). Parent request is not usually sufficient, nor is a complaint that the student doesn’t like the teacher, or the teacher “doesn’t like” the student. There has to be a clear and documented, appropriate reason as to why a child is moved to another classroom. As far as public school, a parent is free to work within the policies and procedures, but can’t always demand for their requests to be followed. Public school has to take all children—they can’t deny enrollment to kids who have issues, or parents they don’t want to work with. A parent has to learn how the system works, and work within that system. If the school or classroom isn’t working out, the parents always retain the authority to move the child out of the school to another educational situation. (As inconvenient as that might be.)

(My husband would LOL if he knew I was "defending" school policies! We have had our concerns with public school-- no private schools in our area. My best strategy has been to learn how to deal with the system using their own policies and procedures. And it helps to get on committees and boards that make decisions about policies, too.)

How do you know he was wandering? I see no wandering in the video. I see him in the bathroom and her attacking him on the way out. Who says he was wandering>?

 

[screecher]

Alrighty, so I couldn't find (yet) how/where the public can check the history/certification/licensure on public employees but I did find this:

How often do I need to complete background checks for Ohio educator licensure?

Ohio law requires that all individuals must have a baseline BCI and FBI criminal background check at the time they apply for their first Ohio educator license, certificate or permit, and those BCI and FBI background checks must be no older than one year (365 days) at the time they are used for initial licensure.

If an individual then resides continuously in Ohio, he or she does not need to update the BCI background check, but must obtain an updated FBI check once every five years.

More:

http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Te.../Additional-Information/Background-Check-FAQs

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I did find the State check on licensed teachers in ohio. There is more than one with this name.

 

[screecher]

How do you know he was wandering? I see no wandering in the video. I see him in the bathroom and her attacking him on the way out. Who says he was wandering>?

BBM

Yea, cripes he was even walking near the wall...no middle of the hall, no running, no jumping or spinning (although I must say, I'd have like to seen him skipping, singing while doing so, down the center of the hall haha).

OTOH, what we do see is a woman acting out in a criminal manner and I simply do not believe this is the first time she's done this to her students.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM

Yea, cripes he was even walking near the wall...no middle of the hall, no running, no jumping or spinning (although I must say, I'd have like to seen him skipping, singing while doing so, down the center of the hall haha).

OTOH, what we do see is a woman acting out in a criminal manner and I simply do not believe this is the first time she's done this to her students.

This is the thing right here. He is doing nothing. She comes AT him.. Not to him AT him.

I was once attacked in a parking lot. Well he tried. I had put his GF in my car because he was beating the crap out of her. I locked the doors and he started coming AT me.
There is a very different feeling you get when someone is coming AT you and not to you.
Thankfully a friend stepped in front of me and that was that.

But in the video she is not going TO him but AT him. That is classic abuser behavior. Not educator behavior.

 

[human]

I am a retired teacher. I think parent requests as far as classroom should be honored.

I always told parents that I do not own their child. The school,does not own their child. Parents and teachers must work as partners. If the parent is not comfortable with the teacher even if it is based on the fact the teacher's favorite color is red, it does not matter.

I asked one time to have a child not be in my room because the parent started in on me during the open house.

Sometimes the other classrooms are too full so it is not possible. If that is the case, then meetings must be held to address concerns and solutions.

Children who are wanderers cannot be loose in a building. That is when meetings should be held and solutions discussed.

It is all about communication. Some parents are mentally ill or have other issues which make conversations and solutions difficult. But if eveyone is engaged in addressing issues, things go better. And some teachers have issues with power and control.

Children can usually deal with positive solutions to issues. Everyone does better when everyone does better.

 

[MissJ]

This is the thing right here. He is doing nothing. She comes AT him.. Not to him AT him.

I was once attacked in a parking lot. Well he tried. I had put his GF in my car because he was beating the crap out of her. I locked the doors and he started coming AT me.
There is a very different feeling you get when someone is coming AT you and not to you.
Thankfully a friend stepped in front of me and that was that.

But in the video she is not going TO him but AT him. That is classic abuser behavior. Not educator behavior.

ITA. Nothing this child did warranted such behavior from the teacher. If you have not experienced this you have no idea how this harms a child. I don't blame him for not wanting to talk about it.:moo:

 

[MissJ]

Some teachers have problems with mental illness as well. I know some wonderful teachers and I had some growing up who helped me a lot in life. But there were abusers as well. Even a principal.