GUILTY OH - Barb Williams for child abuse, Hancock County, 2014

[screecher]

IMO, Barb Williams is an EPIC FAIL.

 

[MissJ]

Well if it's a "very challenging" six year old then nobody should face any negative consequences. Again with the vague references to "insider information".

Do I understand you to say because this child might be challenging the teacher should not face negative consequences?:facepalm:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Do I understand you to say because this child might be challenging the teacher should not face negative consequences?:facepalm:

HA! I thought the same thing.. But it was a sarcastic response.

 

[gitana1]

RSBM

Corporal punishment is ILLEGAL in Ohio. Grounds for assault.



Lawful answer:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/15/caught-tape-ohio-teacher-barb-williams-grabs-kindergartner-face






RSBBM

If? Have you not seen the video?




RSBM

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/15/caught-tape-ohio-teacher-barb-williams-grabs-kindergartner-face



RS and BOLDED BM

Particularly when supposedly 'supported' by the majority of other residents of the district. UGH.





RSBM

Not so. Corporal punishment is illegal in Ohio. Period.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/15/caught-tape-ohio-teacher-barb-williams-grabs-kindergartner-face



Snipped by me

Why post a 'generic' scenario when this thread is specific to a teacher assaulting a student???





BBM

IMO, it has to do with leadership. Barb Williams, for all intent and purpose is a "leader". A good leader will:

https://www.upworthy.com/a-ted-talk...into-a-feminist-its-pretty-fantastic-7?c=ufb4

Yeah, I know some will think/feel this is irrelevant, children, the elderly, the mentally impaired, ect., have all been placed where it's acceptable to be ignored, be abused, be assaulted...we can have all the statutes in the the world to insure otherwise, truth is, if this ^ doesn't happen, we all are doomed.

Who has the POWER? In this particular case, Barb Williams had/has the power.

Please click this link. https://www.upworthy.com/a-ted-talk-...astic-7?c=ufb4 From 10 mins on is so spot on. Perhaps it may bend some minds.

Good educators will/ought speak against student assault/abuse. I believe most educators are mindful.

I know that's what it says in your link but corporal punishment is not totally illegal in Ohio. Parents can use it. Teachers cannot:

Can a parent’s corporal punishment (physical discipline) of a minor child constitute unlawful “domestic violence” in Ohio?

Under Ohio law corporal punishment (physical discipline) is the right of the parent. "Reasonable" parental discipline is neither domestic violence nor child endangering. Most cases of child abuse are brought under the child endangering stature, R.C. 2919.22, rather than the domestic violence statute. However, there have been some cases where parents have been criminally charged under the domestic violence statute, R.C. 2919.25, instead of under the child endangering statute. http://www.ohiolegalservices.org/pu...punishment-and-domestic-violence/qandact_view

 

[screecher]

Ah, thanks, gitana. Didn't see that.

Perhaps Barbie Williams will use loco parentis as her defense? :floorlaugh:

I apologize, not funny.

 

[believe09]

Yeah, I don't get the mindset it's perfectly acceptable (and to be expected in fact) to assault a child (you know, if the kid peed and wandered off or just because). Now, I'm getting the sense it's supposedly expected and totally accepted a TEACHER doing it is in the best interest of the classroom. Not to mention the kid.

It blows my mind. Still wanting to know what Barb Williams did to the little tyke when she pulled/dragged him out of camera's eye. There's a reason she did that. UGH.

Yes there is I suspect. It chills me.

 

[believe09]

BBM. With respect, yeah, you are. You are permissive of it. In multiple ways you've expressed that you condone it. You think it is normal. You think it is acceptable. You think it's okay:



It is quite alarming to most people that anyone would think it's okay for a "very angry teacher" to "grab a child by their shirt collar and get in their face." Holy hell. When a teacher is "very angry" they should step away. That's what we learn in life. How in the world does the teacher's feelings of rage justify her taking it out on a kid to begin with?

I'm sorry but this attitude is baffling to me and scary. It's dangerous. If what you say is true, then a man who is "very angry" with his wife should be able to grab her by her shirt collar and get in her face or "hold her in place". And I should be able to do that to my clients when I'm "very angry". Cops should be allowed to do it, psychiatrists and nurses, bosses, judges.

This attitude is neither rational nor logical. It is alarming. Period.

People, it's okay to get angry. Everyone does. But please, step away, count to ten, take a breath, ask for a break, before getting in anyone's face, holding them in place or grabbing their shirt collar.

This is precisely what a client of mine recently did. He is a firefighter and normally a very good man. He has some medical issues and has been in great pain. To say his wife was not helpful, is an extreme understatement. He got "very angry", and when his wife refused to listen he "held her in place" as they sat there facing each other on the bed and "got in her face". Their kid called the cops.

Now, despite the fact that his wife doesn't want it to happen, he is facing a felony domestic violence conviction, jail time and the loss of his job.

He regrets it deeply but it is too late.

This kind of behavior is never excusable nor appropriate nor okay. It is criminal and can get you in major, legal trouble. Please, I hope no one reads this thread and think that this behavior is ever okay because there are shades of gray. It's just not. It constitutes a crime.

Thanks isn't quite enough for me gitana1... :clap:

 

[Salem]

We don't do petitions here, guys.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How do you know that is her?! There are about 25 barb williams in ohio. I am all for her getting her due but I don't like that someone could be posting someone elses record.

 

[blue22]

How do you know that is her?! There are about 25 barb williams in ohio. I am all for her getting her due but I don't like that someone could be posting someone elses record.

I didn't think about that!

I have to agree, is that positively her?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I didn't think about that!

I have to agree, is that positively her?

There are a bunch of Barbara Williams on that site. I don't know. AS much as I rally don't have any warmth for this woman I don't want to pick on the wrong one. KWIM?

 

[Salem]

I've removed the posts until we can be sure it is the right Barb Williams. Was there a picture or something? We need to be sure we have the right person.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[screecher]

How do you know that is her?! There are about 25 barb williams in ohio. I am all for her getting her due but I don't like that someone could be posting someone elses record.

I didn't think about that!

I have to agree, is that positively her?

There are a bunch of Barbara Williams on that site. I don't know. AS much as I rally don't have any warmth for this woman I don't want to pick on the wrong one. KWIM?

It's her alright.


Credential: 5 Year Professional License - Special All Grades (K-12) Status: Issued Credential Number: 20897604
Effective Year: 2013 Original Issue Date: 06/21/2013 Last Print Date: 06/24/2013
Effective Date: 07/01/2013 Expiration Date: 06/30/2018
Teaching Fields:
Music (120050) Issue Date: 06/21/2013 End Date: 06/30/2018

Credential: 5 Year Professional License - Kindergarten-Elementary (K-8) Status: Issued Credential Number: 20897603
Effective Year: 2013 Original Issue Date: 06/21/2013 Last Print Date: 06/24/2013
Effective Date: 07/01/2013 Expiration Date: 06/30/2018

Credential: 5 Year Professional License - Special All Grades (K-12) Status: Expired Credential Number: 20196758
Effective Year: 2008 Original Issue Date: 03/17/2008 Last Print Date: 03/18/2008
Effective Date: 07/01/2008 Expiration Date: 06/30/2013
Mail To: Riverdale Local(047514)
Teaching Fields:
Music (120050) Issue Date: 03/17/2008


Credential: 5 Year Professional License - Kindergarten-Elementary (K-8) Status: Expired Credential Number: 20196757
Effective Year: 2008 Original Issue Date: 03/17/2008 Last Print Date: 03/18/2008
Effective Date: 07/01/2008 Expiration Date: 06/30/2013
Mail To: Riverdale Local(047514)




Credential: 5 Year Professional License - Kindergarten-Elementary (K-8) Status: Expired Credential Number: 20196757
Effective Year: 2008 Original Issue Date: 03/17/2008 Last Print Date: 03/18/2008
Effective Date: 07/01/2008 Expiration Date: 06/30/2013
Mail To: Riverdale Local(04751




Credential: 1 Year Temporary License - Early Childhood (P-3) Status: Expired Credential Number: 2001942
Effective Year: 2000 Original Issue Date: 09/21/2000 Last Print Date: 09/21/2000
Effective Date: 07/01/2000 Expiration Date: 06/30/2001
Valid In: Hardin County ESC(047480)
Limitations:
6 Sem Hrs required for renewal (880009) Issue Date: 09/21/2000


She worked at Riverdale, which is in Hardin county.

Yeppers, it IS her.

Oh, Scarlett, there's actually 54 Barbara Williams. :floorlaugh:

 

[screecher]

I've removed the posts until we can be sure it is the right Barb Williams. Was there a picture or something? We need to be sure we have the right person.

Thanks,

Salem

No pictures. The link

https://coreprodint.ode.state.oh.us/CORE2.3/ODE.CORE.EducatorProfile.UI/CredentialsDisplay.aspx

This link will take you to her 'credentialing'. If you scroll down to the very bottom, go to "page size" and change it to 50. It will give you info going back to 1981 thru the present.

 

[screecher]

For your reading pleasure:


So, effective 1981 Barb Williams was granted a 4 year provisional certificate (Special All Grades (K-12), teaching field being MUSIC that expired 1985.

Then there's nothing from 1985 to 1995???? In 1995 she was granted another 4 year provisional certificate (Special All Grades (K-12), teaching field being MUSIC, expiring 1999.


Same for 1999, expiring 2003.

Then in 2000 she was issued yet another 4 Year provisional certificate - this time for Elementary (1-8), expiring 2004.

That same year, 2000, she was granted a 1 Year Temporary License - Early Childhood (P-3), expiring in June of the same year, 2001. This is in Hardin County, where Riverdale is. It was 'limited' license because Barb Williams was required to take 6 semester hours for renewal.

From 2001-2005 Barb Williams was issued YET another 4 Year Provisional Certificate - Kindergarten-Elementary (K-8).

FINALLY in 2003 she was issued a 5 Year Professional License - Special All Grades (K-12) which expired 2008. Teaching area being MUSIC. Renewing license every 5 years, last one expiring June 2018.

So, if I have my math correct (I may not LOL), while, she started her 'teaching' career in 1981, (and who knows what she was doing during the 'missing' 10 years?) she ONLY just attained her 'Professional License' in 2003. Ten (10) years as a licensed professional.

Where was she teaching BEFORE Riverdale? Why did she leave?

Barb Williams has a pretty murky teaching history, IMO.

 

[JeannaT]

For your reading pleasure:


So, effective 1981 Barb Williams was granted a 4 year provisional certificate (Special All Grades (K-12), teaching field being MUSIC that expired 1985.

Then there's nothing from 1985 to 1995???? In 1995 she was granted another 4 year provisional certificate (Special All Grades (K-12), teaching field being MUSIC, expiring 1999.


Same for 1999, expiring 2003.

Then in 2000 she was issued yet another 4 Year provisional certificate - this time for Elementary (1-8), expiring 2004.

That same year, 2000, she was granted a 1 Year Temporary License - Early Childhood (P-3), expiring in June of the same year, 2001. This is in Hardin County, where Riverdale is. It was 'limited' license because Barb Williams was required to take 6 semester hours for renewal.

From 2001-2005 Barb Williams was issued YET another 4 Year Provisional Certificate - Kindergarten-Elementary (K-8).

FINALLY in 2003 she was issued a 5 Year Professional License - Special All Grades (K-12) which expired 2008. Teaching area being MUSIC. Renewing license every 5 years, last one expiring June 2018.

So, if I have my math correct (I may not LOL), while, she started her 'teaching' career in 1981, (and who knows what she was doing during the 'missing' 10 years?) she ONLY just attained her 'Professional License' in 2003. Ten (10) years as a licensed professional.

Where was she teaching BEFORE Riverdale? Why did she leave?

Barb Williams has a pretty murky teaching history, IMO.

She has three young adult children. I would guess she might have been home raising kids during the evil "missing" years. Geez.

 

[screecher]

^Perhaps. Perhaps not. We simply do not know. Yet.

Jeez, never considered those missing 10 years might have "evil"(your word, not mine) in them. Hmmmm....

Thanks !!!

Also, I'd be grateful if you BOLD any part of my post (paragraph with the word MATH in it), you acknowledge it please. Pretty sure if one poster alters another poster's post, it really needs to be noted. TIA.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

AGAIN. until there is PROOF that it is her, I am not commenting on this or someone elses career.

I don't think anyone should be crucified without 100% knowledge it was them.

Also I do think she should be punished for what she did, But I don't like dancing on people's graves either.

 

[K_Z]

As I expected, no felony charges. Misdemeanor child endangerment. I predict she will plead this out, with probation, a fine, and some kind of community service that doesn't involve interactions with kids (or people). The BOE will pull her license, also, I predict-- but not until she is fired and the misdemeanor is adjudicated. I think the school board will move to fire her, to try to head off a lawsuit from the parents. In any event, she is done teaching and working in any capacity with kids.

I'm also of the opinion now that the child's family will sue both Williams, and the school district.

A Riverdale School District teacher caught on camera using force against a kindergartner has been charged with misdemeanor child endangerment.

The child endangerment charge is a misdemeanor of the first degree, which carries a maximum penalty of 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine. The charge was filed on Friday.

Attorney Dan Margolis, who was hired by Ian Nelson’s family, said the family believed Ms. Williams should have been charged with felony child endangering, assault, aggravated menacing, and felony abduction.

Findlay Assistant Law Director Alan Hackenberg said city prosecutors can’t file felony charges.

“We brought the most serious and significant charges we could file,” he said.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Educatio...deo-has-teacher-charged-with-misdemeanor.html

BBM.

 

[K_Z]

Here's another article.

http://www.norwalkreflector.com/article/4557396