GUILTY OH - Barb Williams for child abuse, Hancock County, 2014

[K_Z]

I do agree with the parent in the video, that if she's willing to resign, let her resign. In any case, she shouldn't return to the school next year and it seems highly unlikely that she will - however that is achieved.

what? LET her resign?/ NO WAY! Kick her out and take that pension too. She assaulted someone. If he was 18 she would be in jail but apparently you can beat up on kindergartners and choose to leave??

UH NO!!.

Regarding being fired, versus being "forced to" or "allowed to" resign, I think that there are benefits and drawbacks to the school board with either option. I think it's highly likely the Board is carefully weighing both of these options behind closed doors.

Resignation- cheapest option for the District and the Board. May save thousands of dollars, and months of time over firing process. School does not have to pay benefits to her if she resigns, but does have to pay benefits during the firing process, which takes months. Fastest option to resolve the situation. She will not be able to teach again, so the resignation hardly matters to "preserve" her resume. Allows Board to open an FTE to fill her position before the next school year. She likely cannot collect unemployment if she resigns. Etc.

Firing/ Termination - Expensive, the Board "might" have to wait until the misdemeanor charge is fully adjudicated, or they might not. Either way, going thru the union process will take some time. Teacher collects both unemployment AND benefits during this process. Board might not be able to open her position to fill it before the next school year, until the firing process is complete. Parents of the child might be more inclined emotionally to sue the district for civil damages if they do not fire her-- which trades the costs of firing her for the costs of defending a long and drawn out civil suit against the District. Etc.

Here are just a few of the many examples of teachers allowed to resign, after being accused of many very serious crimes. (One was fired, and then allowed to resign.) As you can see, resignation seems to be a common choice allowed by school boards.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20140506/ARTICLE/140509765

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...in-school-costs-iowa-teacher-his-job/3524321/

http://eagletimes.villagesoup.com/p/fired-teacher-now-allowed-to-resign/1162001

http://eagnews.org/elementary-teacher-who-drank-on-the-job-allowed-to-resign-with-an-18000-buyout/

http://www.newhampshire.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140405/AGGREGATION/140409520/1006/NEWS03

http://www.northescambia.com/2007/12/former-teacher-arrested-century-resigns

http://www.walb.com/story/14257414/despite-resignation-westover-teacher-likely-wont-be-able-to-teach

http://www.news8000.com/news/iowa-teacher-accused-of-sexual-abuse-resigns/25170224

http://www.kpho.com/story/21225100/arizona-teacher-accused-of-kissing-student-resigns

 

[K_Z]

The Board could hedge their bets, and plan to play it "both" ways. That is a not-uncommon political tactic.

For example, they could hold a special meeting of the Board, complete with audience members and local media coverage, to "discuss" the situation. At that time, the Board can take a "vote" to terminate the teacher. That guarantees that the message from "the Board" is that she "should" be fired. It will be covered in media articles as such-- who voted affirmatively to fire her, etc.

Then, a few weeks later, the Board could make a new decision to agree to let her resign. After "input from attorneys", allowing the legal process to unfold, etc. No need to call all the public spectators and media to witness that. It might, or might not even be reported. She resigns, it's reported in the local paper, and a few people are PO'd at the Board. But in 4 weeks, no one will remember or even talk about the Board's decision to allow her to resign.

The process to terminate her will most assuredly take much longer than the 4-6 weeks of the resignation process, and would be covered much more prominently by the media. Every union hearing, etc. Each Board member will be under scrutiny for their words and decisions.

School Board members are elected officials. They have to be fiscally responsible over the long haul, as well as think about the reputation and proper functioning of the school, and consider their own potential re-election prospects (or future political aspirations).

I'm predicting they will allow her to resign, after some period of "cooling off" whereby media coverage wanes, and the saber-rattling of the family quiets down. There will not be felony charges filed in this case, IMO, despite calls for the AG to be involved. The circumstances and the outcome are not egregious enough for the charges to be escalated, IMO. It's a career-ending event, with a misdemeanor charge, and essentially no physical damage to the child. (I won't debate whether or not he has any emotional damage.)

As an aside, I was pretty surprised/ shocked that the family chose to keep this child in the school for the remainder of the school year. Wow! Media reports he was moved to another classroom. I wonder if the family is considering moving him to another educational situation for the next school year? I certainly would, if this was my child. The situation is far too adversarial, at this point, for Riverdale Elementary to be the best situation for him. IMO. (And he has a sibling, who I worry is affected by all this.) He needs a fresh start somewhere else, IMO. I would have permanently removed him from the school the day I learned of the event, if I had been the parent. But that's just me.

 

[JeannaT]

The Board could hedge their bets, and plan to play it "both" ways. That is a not-uncommon political tactic.

For example, they could hold a special meeting of the Board, complete with audience members and local media coverage, to "discuss" the situation. At that time, the Board can take a "vote" to terminate the teacher. That guarantees that the message from "the Board" is that she "should" be fired. It will be covered in media articles as such-- who voted affirmatively to fire her, etc.

Then, a few weeks later, the Board could make a new decision to agree to let her resign. After "input from attorneys", allowing the legal process to unfold, etc. No need to call all the public spectators and media to witness that. It might, or might not even be reported. She resigns, it's reported in the local paper, and a few people are PO'd at the Board. But in 4 weeks, no one will remember or even talk about the Board's decision to allow her to resign.

The process to terminate her will most assuredly take much longer than the 4-6 weeks of the resignation process, and would be covered much more prominently by the media. Every union hearing, etc. Each Board member will be under scrutiny for their words and decisions.

School Board members are elected officials. They have to be fiscally responsible over the long haul, as well as think about the reputation and proper functioning of the school, and consider their own potential re-election prospects (or future political aspirations).

I'm predicting they will allow her to resign, after some period of "cooling off" whereby media coverage wanes, and the saber-rattling of the family quiets down. There will not be felony charges filed in this case, IMO, despite calls for the AG to be involved. The circumstances and the outcome are not egregious enough for the charges to be escalated, IMO. It's a career-ending event, with a misdemeanor charge, and essentially no physical damage to the child. (I won't debate whether or not he has any emotional damage.)

As an aside, I was pretty surprised/ shocked that the family chose to keep this child in the school for the remainder of the school year. Wow! Media reports he was moved to another classroom. I wonder if the family is considering moving him to another educational situation for the next school year? I certainly would, if this was my child. The situation is far too adversarial, at this point, for Riverdale Elementary to be the best situation for him. IMO. (And he has a sibling, who I worry is affected by all this.) He needs a fresh start somewhere else, IMO. I would have permanently removed him from the school the day I learned of the event, if I had been the parent. But that's just me.

I don't think they can discuss specific personel hiring/firing issues in a meeting open to the public. I know they can't in our district - our school board isn't in charge of hiring and firing individual teachers. I think they are only responsible for helping fill volunteer board positions, (boundary committees, bond oversight committees) and hiring and firing the superintendent. The principals are responsible for specific hiring and firing of teachers and other employees, and the superintendent oversees that and can give input to the principals.

I don't think the school board will even weigh in on this publicly, except to discuss policies like what is considered abuse of a student, what remedies parents have when that is found, etc. School boards are policy making bodies - but don't get into the nitty gritty of one teacher's employment status in our district. At the prior school board meeting, this board also refused to discuss specifics of this case but expressed confidence in the process of the investigation.

They can also vote to fire the superintendent, but those discussions are made in private and the vote outcome is made public. (For example, a vote was called by two members of the board to terminate the contract of the superintendent and it failed 5-3 in closed meeting).

 

[gitana1]

She was a grown woman watching and making sure a child of the opposite sex unrelated to her urinated? That is really weird, creepy, aggressive, and wrong. I don't see how that isn't also a crime. If a man forced me in the bathroom and stood there as I peed...I think my parents would be more enraged over that, than assaulting me in a public hallway.

In kindergarten, kids are assisted by staff in the bathroom on occasion. At that age, they still have occasional accidents, need help wiping sometimes, etc. In some schools there is a hand's off policy in the bathroom though. But in many it is expected that staff sometimes are in the bathroom with students if both sexes.

Of course if she was yelling at him to go or standing there demanding that he do so in front of her before they left, that's abusive behavior to me and very wrong. But not as wrong as physically harming him when it comes to what she could be charged with.

There is no law that states a teacher of a kindergartner cannot accompany them to the bathroom. I'm sure it would be an issue if a male teacher did it though, with a girl.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

In kindergarten, kids are assisted by staff in the bathroom on occasion. At that age, they still have occasional accidents, need help wiping sometimes, etc. In some schools there is a hand's off policy in the bathroom though. But in many it is expected that staff sometimes are in the barroom with students if both sexes.

Of course if she was yelling at him to go or standing there demanding that he do so in front of her before they left, that's abusive behavior to me and very wrong. But not as wrong as physically harming him when it comes to what she could be charged with.

There is no law that states a teacher of a kindergartner cannot accompany them to the bathroom. I'm sure it would be an issue if a male teacher did it though, with a girl.

Actually they are not. They are supposed to be able to use the bathroom completely alone. Teachers are not to aid in that kind of help.

She should not have been alone with this child in the bathroom. She should not ever be around any children.

 

[K_Z]

I don't think they can discuss specific personel hiring/firing issues in a meeting open to the public. I know they can't in our district - our school board isn't in charge of hiring and firing individual teachers. I think they are only responsible for helping fill volunteer board positions, (boundary committees, bond oversight committees) and hiring and firing the superintendent. The principals are responsible for specific hiring and firing of teachers and other employees, and the superintendent oversees that and can give input to the principals.

I don't think the school board will even weigh in on this publicly, except to discuss policies like what is considered abuse of a student, what remedies parents have when that is found, etc. School boards are policy making bodies - but don't get into the nitty gritty of one teacher's employment status in our district. At the prior school board meeting, this board also refused to discuss specifics of this case but expressed confidence in the process of the investigation.

They can also vote to fire the superintendent, but those discussions are made in private and the vote outcome is made public. (For example, a vote was called by two members of the board to terminate the contract of the superintendent and it failed 5-3 in closed meeting).

The involvement of Boards in hiring and firing decisions must vary regionally, or by state law (for public schools). At least one state (LA) has ruled it unconstitutional for Boards to be excluded from the termination and discipline process, by giving too much authority to the superintendent, and excluding the publicly elected members from the process.

In my district the Board can recommend firing, and must approve disciplinary decisions and recommendations for termination made by administration, but not conduct the investigation. I'm not sure to what extent the Board is involved in hearings with administrative personnel and a teacher in other geographic areas. Sometimes a representative from the Board is there as an observer.

Here are a few examples from different states: (BBM)

But when the decision to fire the teacher went to the school board they decided that it was the school administrators who were at fault, not Newton. Board member Nancy Stacy says the autistic child had known behavioral issues and the school decided to have Newton attempt to correct his problems.

http://www.[link removed]/1253531/t...-half-school-board-wont-discipline-her-video/

Board Involvement in the Disciplinary Process

What is the role of the board of directors in the investigation of alleged misconduct? Under Iowa law, the board is the finder of fact in a teacher termination case and must remain impartial. This means the board cannot initiate the investigation of teacher misconduct, or assess the adequacy of a disciplinary action or recommended termination.15 Likewise, if the board is required by the due process clause or board policy to hear disciplinary appeals of classified employees, the requirement that the board “hear” the evidence may preclude their prior involvement in the case.

In light of those constraints, board members should not become involved in employee discipline matters. Board members should refer complaints of employee misconduct to the administration (except, of course, complaints involving the superintendent) and only get involved when a recommendation to terminate the employee’s contract has been filed.

http://www.ia-sb.org/assets/4B14CBF1-A580-4511-9EA0-FFB1CEF4118B.pdf

School district racks up $300,000 legal bill fighting teacher's -related firing

A month later Harris was put on unpaid leave and in May 2010 the School Board voted to fire him.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/...4d2-11e0-8d19-001cc4c03286.html#ixzz33tAaVtNV

The board has been left to decide whether to discipline or dismiss six teachers who wrote letters of support for Erickson, who pleaded guilty to first degree criminal sexual conduct with a student.

http://www.ogemawherald.com/stories...tegory_id=1&town_id=7&sub_type=stories,photos

This week, the California Senate approved a bill that would empower school boards to fire teachers for misconduct and expedite the firing process of instructors accused of offenses involving sex, violence or drugs, said Democratic state Sen. Alex Padilla, who authored the legislation.

"Because a school board is ultimately responsible for ensuring a safe learning environment, the school board should be empowered to dismiss employees they determine to be a serious threat to the health and safety of students," Sen. Padilla said in a statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/us/california-teacher-misconduct/index.html

Professional employees have the choice to file a grievance under the collective bargaining agreement or request a school board hearing but not both.

(Regarding dismissal or suspension-- Pennsylvania.)

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/edu/ed370/teacher_due_process.html

Ruling reasserts school board’s role in hiring, firing teachers

Sections of the bill relating to teacher tenure and salaries linked to teacher performance were upheld while a portion that took hiring and firing powers out of the hands of the local school board and put them solely under the power of superintendents was ruled unconstitutional.

Under the (repealed- KZ) law, teachers who would have been terminated by the superintendent would, instead of facing the local school board, only be able to appeal to a committee made up of people appointed by the superintendent.

"In this instance you will have an elected body that acts just like a jury and the superintendent has to present his case to the body. Then the individual who is so affected has a right to present their case," Smith said.

Smith said although in his 26 years on the St. Charles Parish School Board he does not remember ever going against a superintendent’s recommendation to terminate an employee, he thinks that the current process is more democratic than legislation passed by education reformers would have allowed.

"I’m not in any way trying to protect school boards. What I am interested in is protecting the rights of the public," Smith said. "The public would have had no redress in any way and when the redress falls upon a single individual that makes it a dictatorship. In a democracy, a dictatorship is unacceptable."

http://www.heraldguide.com/details.php?id=11883

 

[K_Z]

Interesting that there appears to be significant community support for the teacher BW in at least several different communities surveyed by this reporter.

Quotes from the June 3rd video.

"Community members are standing behind a teacher tonight after a school camera appeared to catch her committing an assault on a young student."

"Some of you may be surprised to hear the Riverdale teacher accused of assaulting a student is getting support from community members."

The reporter describes travelling through several communities, interviewing many members:

"...an overwhelming sense of support for Barb Williams."

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/...should-have-gone-to-grand-jury?autostart=true

I hope BW doesn't misconstrue that support as a rally to try somehow to not resign or oppose being fired. I think, IMO, the likely truth is that this teacher snapped, and probably did not have a pattern of this type of behavior. However, she cannot ever work with children again because of this. Her career is definitely over. No question. She has to resign or be fired. She is done.

I just disagree with most folks here that she is an "evil demon" that has been doing this surreptitiously for a long time. I think she was probably a good teacher and a kind person for decades, who, for whatever reason, was completely unable to cope with what was going on with this particular student at this particular point in time.

I personally don't think she deserves any jail time for this. Yes, her loss of control in a professional situation IS VERY SERIOUS. It is career ending, and should be career ending. However, the child wasn't injured (my opinion), but imminently COULD have been due to her loss of control-- thus the endangerment charge. She is being amply punished, IMO-- loss of her career, public and national humiliation, misdemeanor charge, likely a fine, probation, etc. I think the endangerment charge is correct and appropriate. I think clamoring for anything higher is a witch hunt with torches and spears, or a potential to set up for seeking a big payout with claims of civil damages. Just my opinion.

The School Board needs to make decisions to resolve her contract very soon, and let the misdemeanor charge play out.

And I know it's not a popular idea, but if I was the mom of the student, I would pack up my family and move somewhere else to start over. Again, my opinion. I personally wouldn't send either of my kids back to school there, nor would I waste the next 3 years of our lives battling the school district with a civil suit, and subjecting my kids and family to being a pariah in town. But that's just me. Other opinions will vary.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Interesting that there appears to be significant community support for the teacher BW in at least several different communities surveyed by this reporter.



Quotes from the June 3rd video.











The reporter describes travelling through several communities, interviewing many members:







http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/...should-have-gone-to-grand-jury?autostart=true



I hope BW doesn't misconstrue that support as a rally to try somehow to not resign or oppose being fired. I think, IMO, the likely truth is that this teacher snapped, and probably did not have a pattern of this type of behavior. However, she cannot ever work with children again because of this. Her career is definitely over. No question. She has to resign or be fired. She is done.



I just disagree with most folks here that she is an "evil demon" that has been doing this surreptitiously for a long time. I think she was probably a good teacher and a kind person for decades, who, for whatever reason, was completely unable to cope with what was going on with this particular student at this particular point in time.



I personally don't think she deserves any jail time for this. Yes, her loss of control in a professional situation IS VERY SERIOUS. It is career ending, and should be career ending. However, the child wasn't injured (my opinion), but imminently COULD have been due to her loss of control-- thus the endangerment charge. She is being amply punished, IMO-- loss of her career, public and national humiliation, misdemeanor charge, likely a fine, probation, etc. I think the endangerment charge is correct and appropriate. I think clamoring for anything higher is a witch hunt with torches and spears, or a potential to set up for seeking a big payout with claims of civil damages. Just my opinion.



The School Board needs to make decisions to resolve her contract very soon, and let the misdemeanor charge play out.



And I know it's not a popular idea, but if I was the mom of the student, I would pack up my family and move somewhere else to start over. Again, my opinion. I personally wouldn't send either of my kids back to school there, nor would I waste the next 3 years of our lives battling the school district with a civil suit, and subjecting my kids and family to being a pariah in town. But that's just me. Other opinions will vary.

I agree with every word


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[gitana1]

Actually they are not. They are supposed to be able to use the bathroom completely alone. Teachers are not to aid in that kind of help.

She should not have been alone with this child in the bathroom. She should not ever be around any children.

I have never seen one law stating a teacher cannot accompany a child to the bathroom. Kindergartners have accidents. Assistants, and even teachers sometimes have to help them change their clothes, or clean up, depending on school policy:

When a student goes to the bathroom in their clothes, district employees are instructed “to resolve the issue and treat the student as humanely as possible,” Smith said.
The Genesee Intermediate School District said it does not have a written policy for assisting children who soil themselves in school, but younger students usually have a change of clothes at school and there are clothes available in a “loaner closet,” according to Spokesman Jerry Johnson.
Older students who are capable of cleaning themselves, are allowed to do so, he said. http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2014/05/flint_elementary_student_claim.html

In fact, some students aren't potty trained by kindergarten and cannot be excluded per district policy:

7. May eligible students be excluded from eligibility if they are not potty trained or have frequent bathroom accidents?
No, they may not be excluded from eligibility. Eligible students are not required to be potty trained. TEA does not regulate procedures for assisting a child with bathroom capabilities. Local district policy governs hygiene assistance and it is recommended that the school and the parent or person standing in parental relation to the child establish written guidelines for managing these situations.
Citation: TEC §29.153(a-1) http://www.tea.state.tx.us
/index2.aspx?id=2147497182&menu_id=2147483718#7

Often, they have aides to assist in the bathroom, but sometimes teachers have to step in. I have seen it personally:

3.1 Job Function

Teacher Assistants work under the direction and guidance of professional staff.
3.1.1 Part of a Collaborative Team The Teacher Assistant works within a cooperative, collaborative “team” concept under the direction and guidance of professional staff. The Teacher Assistant is an integral part of the school based team.


3.1.2 Reinforcement of Skills The Teacher Assistant is directly responsible to the professional staff to reinforce the skills taught by the teacher and the overall objectives stated in the students’ Personal Program Plan. This includes input regarding student Personal Program Plans and student evaluation. Teacher Assistants implement lesson plans and make adaptations to regular classroom lesson plans developed by professional staff.


3.1.3 Behavior Management The Teacher Assistant assists the professional staff with behavior intervention strategies.


3.1.4 Personal Care of Student The Teacher Assistant assists the professional staff by facilitating personal care for students with special needs when required. This includes toileting, medication, personal hygiene, and dressing. All personal care of students is to be carried out in accordance with the guidelines suggested in the Student Health and Safety Policies.
Please refer to Appendix B for the complete Student Health and Safety Policies.http://www.scs.sk.ca/instructional_services/ta/roles.php#3.1

Someone has to sometimes assist little kids in the toilet. It is not against the law. Sometimes that someone is a teacher.

However, the real issue is that this teacher wasn't "helping" this student in any way. But simply accompanying or taking a kid to the rest room is not kidnapping and it is not abuse under any law.

 

[blue22]

In kindergarten, kids are assisted by staff in the bathroom on occasion. At that age, they still have occasional accidents, need help wiping sometimes, etc. In some schools there is a hand's off policy in the bathroom though. But in many it is expected that staff sometimes are in the bathroom with students if both sexes.

Of course if she was yelling at him to go or standing there demanding that he do so in front of her before they left, that's abusive behavior to me and very wrong. But not as wrong as physically harming him when it comes to what she could be charged with.

There is no law that states a teacher of a kindergartner cannot accompany them to the bathroom. I'm sure it would be an issue if a male teacher did it though, with a girl.

Please. She was not assisting or accompanying him. This was not a kind and helpful gesture from a caring teacher.

Why is it an issue with a male teacher and girl, and not the other way around?

 

[JeannaT]

Please. She was not assisting or accompanying him. This was not a kind and helpful gesture from a caring teacher.

Why is it an issue with a male teacher and girl, and not the other way around?

On the face of it, it doesn't seem fair - but in fact, the likelihood of a female k teacher sexually assaulting a 6 year old boy is so very far down in the stats compared to a man sexually assaulting a 6 year old girl OR boy.

Although there seem to have been a disturbing rash of young good looking female teachers having affairs with high school boys, it's so exceptionally rare for a woman to sexually assault a small child that it doesn't appear on the radar screen as a danger that needs to be addressed.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

On the face of it, it doesn't seem fair - but in fact, the likelihood of a female k teacher sexually assaulting a 6 year old boy is so very far down in the stats compared to a man sexually assaulting a 6 year old girl OR boy.

Although there seem to have been a disturbing rash of young good looking female teachers having affairs with high school boys, it's so exceptionally rare for a woman to sexually assault a small child that it doesn't appear on the radar screen as a danger that needs to be addressed.

It does not matter it is still inappropriate.

 

[JeannaT]

It does not matter it is still inappropriate.

I don't think for a K teacher, in general, to go into a bathroom with a K child is inappropriate. I refer upthread to cases where it's necessary. Children have accidents, and I guess in some school districts the child is expected to deal with it but that's not the case in mine.

In mine, in fact, K classes join together with a bathroom in the middle so a teacher can attend to a problem with toileting during the day and not leave her students unattended (and also so K students aren't free to wander the hall by themselves).

Nurses also keep small clothing items in both genders for kids who have accidents, and they help them also if there's a problem cleaning up.

I don't know what schools do if they have a hands off policy with kinder kids and the child has an accident.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't think for a K teacher, in general, to go into a bathroom with a K child is inappropriate. I refer upthread to cases where it's necessary. Children have accidents, and I guess in some school districts the child is expected to deal with it but that's not the case in mine.

In mine, in fact, K classes join together with a bathroom in the middle so a teacher can attend to a problem with toileting during the day and not leave her students unattended (and also so K students aren't free to wander the hall by themselves).

Nurses also keep small clothing items in both genders for kids who have accidents, and they help them also if there's a problem cleaning up.

I don't know what schools do if they have a hands off policy with kinder kids and the child has an accident.

WE know she did not go in there to help him with anything. She went in there to terrorize him more.

So I am done with the Whole teacher in the bathroom debate in this case.

 

[JeannaT]

WE know she did not go in there to help him with anything. She went in there to terrorize him more.

So I am done with the Whole teacher in the bathroom debate in this case.

You were the one who said it was inappropriate and against school rules for a K teacher (not specifically this one, a K teacher in general) to go into the bathroom with a kindergartner.

I'm done too. It in fact, isn't inappropriate for a K teacher to go into a bathroom with a K student.

 

[Linda7NJ]

WE know she did not go in there to help him with anything. She went in there to terrorize him more.



So I am done with the Whole teacher in the bathroom debate in this case.

Agree ...we know she didn't take him in that bathroom to help him. I hate to even try to image what was said and what went on in there. Two and a half minutes is a long time!!!


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[blue22]

On the face of it, it doesn't seem fair - but in fact, the likelihood of a female k teacher sexually assaulting a 6 year old boy is so very far down in the stats compared to a man sexually assaulting a 6 year old girl OR boy.

Although there seem to have been a disturbing rash of young good looking female teachers having affairs with high school boys, it's so exceptionally rare for a woman to sexually assault a small child that it doesn't appear on the radar screen as a danger that needs to be addressed.

It doesn't matter if it's rare.

The fact is, it's inappropriate if it's a man or woman. Period.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It doesn't matter if it's rare.

The fact is, it's inappropriate if it's a man or woman. Period.

At least we agree on this thread..

 

[blue22]

At least we agree on this thread..

Lol. I swear, I'm not trying to get personal on the other one. That whole case just disturbs me so deeply, I don't know up from down with it. I wish we knew more of the back story.

Sorry, back to topic.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Lol. I swear, I'm not trying to get personal on the other one. That whole case just disturbs me so deeply, I don't know up from down with it. I wish we knew more of the back story.

Sorry, back to topic.

No worries! I never take it personally and I don't take the energy from one thread to the next. I don't have enemies. I may have people I don't agree with but that is what makes the world interesting.