OH - Clermont County father lined up sons 3, 4, and 7, executed with rifle, mother injured trying to protect them, June 2023

[iamshadow21]

Clearly that’s the case. No rational Dad executes his little boys three days before Father’s Day. I was shocked by his nonchalant demeanor. Worried about his dog, reassuring LE he’s not going to hurt anyone, making sure his wallet gets secured. That’s unexpected to say the least, he was so calm. Didn’t seem under the influence, wasn’t making weird statements.

Was Mom in the house when LE arrived and he was sitting on the porch? I hear her, but can’t tell where she is?

To be honest, I think his calm PRESENT demeanour is only going to go against him in court. He isn't raving about the children being demons, or having been replaced by aliens or robots, so they had to be killed. He's present, oriented to his surroundings, to the fact that he's being arrested, to the wellbeing of his dog, to his personal possessions...

The threshold for insanity is pretty uncompromising. Yes, he could be mentally ill. But insane, as per the law? I doubt he's going to meet that.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

To be honest, I think his calm PRESENT demeanour is only going to go against him in court. He isn't raving about the children being demons, or having been replaced by aliens or robots, so they had to be killed. He's present, oriented to his surroundings, to the fact that he's being arrested, to the wellbeing of his dog, to his personal possessions...

The threshold for insanity is pretty uncompromising. Yes, he could be mentally ill. But insane, as per the law? I doubt he's going to meet that.

MOO

I agree.

It’s astonishing.

The boys are dead, the cops have their guns trained on him, his wife is screaming that he took her whole life away, yet he’s as casual as if he were being arrested for stealing a candy bar from a convenience store.

IMO his offhand comment that his daughter, which he amends to stepdaughter, has run to the firehouse indicates further that he’s 100% aware of what’s transpired, but no biggie.


JMO

 

[Sarahlou]

Wow. I wish I hadn't seen this thread. How absolutely horrific, I'm feeling very angry!

 

[Megnut]

Scary as it is to accept, I think he was calm because he did exactly what he intended to do and achieved the result he had hoped for. And that is frightening as hell.

I don't see mental illness at all. I see control. Abject control.

Not an act of desperation, not a crime of passion, not some misguided delusion -- his method grotesque, his motive simple -- he wanted to hurt his wife spectacularly.

He might have every inbred personality disorder there is, but he is and was IMO fully sane. Just altogether disordered. Living out some corrupt moral code of his own making. Evil, vindictive, void of compassion. Void of humanity. Void of all decency. Barking orders at a dog when he'd just created utter mayhem, the likes of which a dog could never understand. Gunning down his own babies, reign of terror, in broad daylight. There's more humanity in that traumatized canine than in this sorry shape of s father.

That is one sick, jaded, nasty cruel streak, and if it buys him 3 LWOPs, it won't come close to justice enough.

Jmo

 

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[Rosiebones]

This is another case in which we try to apply rational thought processes as we try to understand what and why he did this. And, it can't be done. Even if he did this to get back at the boys mother, they were his children too. Did he never love them? Did no one see this side of him?

 

[fred&edna]

You can see the rifle beside him on the porch as he calmly awaits officers. I wonder when he began his planning. I also wonder exactly what he said in the courtroom.

 

[fred&edna]

Beautiful photo of all 4 children and their dog at the link below.

Ohio dad who ‘gunned down’ his kids arrested in harrowing footage

 

[Knox]

This is another case in which we try to apply rational thought processes as we try to understand what and why he did this. And, it can't be done. Even if he did this to get back at the boys mother, they were his children too. Did he never love them? Did no one see this side of him?

True, we have no idea why Chad Doerman killed those beautiful little boys. Supposition about his motivation, mental health status, or anything else at this point, is merely opinion.

I hope the boy's Mom & sister are surrounded by people who can help them deal with this horrific nightmare.

 

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[iamshadow21]

Scary as it is to accept, I think he was calm because he did exactly what he intended to do and achieved the result he had hoped for. And that is frightening as hell.

I don't see mental illness at all. I see control. Abject control.

RSBM

And satisfaction. He'd been thinking about it, planning it, and he'd finally done it.

Congratulations, dude, you just voted yourself out of the human race. Throw away the key.

MOO

 

[gitana1]

I am a tad surprised nobody here questions the perpetrator's sanity. I mean someone who murders calmly his children, one by one, and then behaves like nothing happened might be severely mentally ill. As in his picture of reality is warped so badly he thinks this horrible murder was the right thing to do. I think he should undergo extensive psychiatric evaluation.

Surely his lawyers will mount an insanity defense.

I guess everyone who commits heinous crimes can be diagnosed with something. But our laws are pretty strict when it comes to sanity vs. insanity. Insanity would mean he either did not know what he was doing (choking someone but thinking he was squeezing lemons) or didn’t think it was illegal/wrong.

I compare him to people who were psychotic at the time of the crime. Like Andrea Yates. Similarly, she didn’t try to hide her crimes. She confessed right away. She was calm.

But unlike him, her affect was flat. I don’t think his was. He was congenial. (“Don’t worry, I’m not going to hurt you.”). He was controlled and certain (Yelling at the dog to get his “butt” back in the house).

IMO, he matches less with psychosis and more with extreme narcissism.

Family annihilators tend to be narcissists, IMO. They either feel that their family cannot survive without them, and they feel the family has to die because they cannot discover the truth about something they’ve hidden, or they want to be rid of the responsibility, or, they want to seek revenge due to narcissistic rage about something- usually someone trying to leave them.

My guess is he’s the latter, because he left the wife alive.

He had a history of DV. He choked his father. I’m thinking his wife was trying to leave him, and he decided to destroy her.

Compared to people who we can see or hear during psychosis, he seems different very to me. That’s why this case has me seething instead of questioning his sanity.

But, I’m not a psychiatrist. So I’m basing my opinion on observation rather than expertise!

 

[gitana1]

To be honest, I think his calm PRESENT demeanour is only going to go against him in court. He isn't raving about the children being demons, or having been replaced by aliens or robots, so they had to be killed. He's present, oriented to his surroundings, to the fact that he's being arrested, to the wellbeing of his dog, to his personal possessions...

The threshold for insanity is pretty uncompromising. Yes, he could be mentally ill. But insane, as per the law? I doubt he's going to meet that.

MOO

Exactly.

 

[mickey2942]

True, we have no idea why Chad Doerman killed those beautiful little boys. Supposition about his motivation, mental health status, or anything else at this point, is merely opinion.

I hope the boy's Mom & sister are surrounded by people who can help them deal with this horrific nightmare.

Actually, I see this as an absolute act of control. Yes, it is my own opinion. In his mind, he "won". Planned, and executed.

 

[gitana1]

Scary as it is to accept, I think he was calm because he did exactly what he intended to do and achieved the result he had hoped for. And that is frightening as hell.

I don't see mental illness at all. I see control. Abject control.

Not an act of desperation, not a crime of passion, not some misguided delusion -- his method grotesque, his motive simple -- he wanted to hurt his wife spectacularly.

He might have every inbred personality disorder there is, but he is and was IMO fully sane. Just altogether disordered. Living out some corrupt moral code of his own making. Evil, vindictive, void of compassion. Void of humanity. Void of all decency. Barking orders at a dog when he'd just created utter mayhem, the likes of which a dog could never understand. Gunning down his own babies, reign of terror, in broad daylight. There's more humanity in that traumatized canine than in this sorry shape of s father.

That is one sick, jaded, nasty cruel streak, and if it buys him 3 LWOPs, it won't come close to justice enough.

Jmo

This whole post is so well written. “Living out some corrupt moral code of his own making.” Wow. Perfect.

That’s the nail on the head for me.

I’ve seen these guys. I’ve known them in litigation. You’ve expressed so beautifully what it is, IMO. It’s usually this defiant certainty that no woman is going to shame them or leave them. Often what I see is they will ruthlessly pursue custody in order to harm the ex. Not for love of the child.

 

[iamshadow21]

This whole post is so well written. “Living out some corrupt moral code of his own making.” Wow. Perfect.

That’s the nail on the head for me.

I’ve seen these guys. I’ve known them in litigation. You’ve expressed so beautifully what it is, IMO. It’s usually this defiant certainty that no woman is going to shame them or leave them. Often what I see is they will ruthlessly pursue custody in order to harm the ex. Not for love of the child.

As Pratchett so perfectly said, (paraphrasing a little, because I don't have the quote in front of me,) "It starts with treating people as things."

These family annihilators and abusers always see their partners and children as objects that belong to them, for them to pick up, put down, play with, or destroy as the fancy takes them, never as beings with their own sovereign rights and dreams, personalities and spirits. Just things, not people.

MOO

 

[TxLady2]

Wow. I fully agree that he is not insane, in the legal sense. He is pure evil. It's scary to think about the monsters that are all around us. What is wrong with these parents?
My prayers for the mom and daughter, may God give them the strength to get through this.

 

[gitana1]

As Pratchett so perfectly said, (paraphrasing a little, because I don't have the quote in front of me,) "It starts with treating people as things."

These family annihilators and abusers always see their partners and children as objects that belong to them, for them to pick up, put down, play with, or destroy as the fancy takes them, never as beings with their own sovereign rights and dreams, personalities and spirits. Just things, not people.

MOO

Check this out:

According to psychologist Sharon Mailloux (2014), this individual is a male involved in a long-term relationship, highly possessive over his wife and family. Issues with maintaining employment, substance misuse and domestic violence were traits present in the family annihilators cases. The main trigger for these killings is divorce and separation.

Moreover, Liem and Koenraadt (2008) found that most of the family annihilators had a personality disorder with dependent or narcissistic tendencies.

The livid-coercive murderer is motivated by revenge and rage caused by control issues. He will show abusive tendencies towards his family that will serve as a means of self-worth by exerting authority within the household. In most cases, the livid-coercive individual faces failure in marriage due to his abusive behaviour followed by the wife and children trying to leave. This will make him feel a lack of control and humiliation and lead to the killing of his entire family.

1. Self-Righteous Killers:
   This individual is in most cases the father who often blames others, especially the mother for relationship issues or a break-up and for preventing him from having access to the children. He sees himself as ‘the provider’ and taking that away from him, will make him dangerous. The main goal is to cause pain and suffering to their partners and are most likely to use the children in doing so. Will often kill the children and leave the mother alive to extend the suffering and ensure the maximum pain. In most cases, this type of family murderer will contact the mother prior to the murders and inform her about what they are going to do.
   His killings are executions and they are never spontaneous. He plans his murders and they are not a result of impulsiveness or in a fit of rage. The killings are methodical and planned out for a long time.

Much more at link including various types of annihilators. Family Annihilators- Psychological Profile

 

[gitana1]

By accounts, the boys were shot in the house

In the camera footage of the arrest the little ones bodies were in the front yard.

Where did you see that the boys were shot in the house?

 

[Ozoner]

I would let his wife be front and centre with her finger on the trigger.

A firing squad would be too easy. Give me a dull, rusty buck knife, and I'll take care of matters. I'm not that skilled with a knife, though, so it might take a while—possibly long enough for gangrene and sepsis to set in.