GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #3

[GGE]

I'm trying to figure out how it came to be that Elaina was put down to sleep on the living room floor next to Kylee, but Angela woke up to find Elaina next to her with a black eye and other injuries.

Sounds like she doesn't remember waking up in the middle of the night to get her off the floor and bring her into her own bed.

 

[laniefi]

I have a 10 month old and a 22 month old and when they start to cry I can hear them... For me it's like a sixth sense when my little cubs cry

That is so funny - it is like we are "hardwired" by nature to know their little voices!

 

[floridamomma]

i, too, want to say, fm, your hubby and son are fine examples of real men. be proud, i know this is a nightmare and they are behaving so well. words can not adequately describe how impressed i am, and relieved to know sweet k has such a loving family. and you too, youve kept your cool here- and not spread rumors or talked negatively about as. love, prayers and peace to you.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm trying to figure out how it came to be that Elaina was put down to sleep on the living room floor next to Kylee, but Angela woke up to find Elaina next to her with a black eye and other injuries.

Sounds like she doesn't remember waking up in the middle of the night to get her off the floor and bring her into her own bed.

I will never find the post GGE so I'm relying on your amazing memory here. Ferretmommy's post stating that 4yr old said something to the effect of shes' afraid of SK because he threw / dropped 4yrold/elaina on the bed/floor. Please help me with the details of that. The girls were sleeping on the floor ( never mind what a stupid idea to put an 18 mo old to sleep on a floor where they can wander anywhere, SIGH ) initially. Could SK have at that point, putting them to bed done the throwing / dropping ? I understand he may not have done anything to elaina but for this particular theory, could it be? Or possibly Angela did it and then when Elaina cried, to calm down the 4yr old, Ang told her SK did that to Elaina, not me, not your mommy. I hate everything I have to say in this case .

 

[nothingnew]

I'm trying to figure out how it came to be that Elaina was put down to sleep on the living room floor next to Kylee, but Angela woke up to find Elaina next to her with a black eye and other injuries.

Sounds like she doesn't remember waking up in the middle of the night to get her off the floor and bring her into her own bed.

Was AS ever in a bed that night? I haven't read anything about her sleeping arrangements except for waking up next to Elaina. She lies a lot apparently so I would love to hear from someone else that AS was in a bed asleep at any point that night. In the last thread I saw a floor plan of the house with no mention of a kitchen so is there one upstairs? Do you know anything about the layout of the house for upstairs?
Also has anyone said where AS and the girls were on Friday night? I read that TS dropped the girls with AS on Friday but I don't remember hearing anything about where they slept that night.

 

[SCHMAE]

i, too, want to say, fm, your hubby and son are fine examples of real men. be proud, i know this is a nightmare and they are behaving so well. words can not adequately describe how impressed i am, and relieved to know sweet k has such a loving family. and you too, youve kept your cool here- and not spread rumors or talked negatively about as. love, prayers and peace to you.

All of the above x 10. I'm thinking of some other missing children cases right now that would be so much easier to sort out if just ONE parent were keeping their cool and not slinging mud.

 

[GGE]

New video here of JK house. Some inside some outside. Shows the pool and the room Elaina was in (ugh). Haven't heard audio as I have "little ears" around and don't want them to overhear it.

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=911315#.UcD7MVIo7IU

Took some screencaps from that video (I also haven't heard the audio portion yet) -

Room Elaina was napping in when she went missing:

The pool out back (appears to have been drained):

The outside of the house:

ETA: IMO that dog wouldn't stay quiet with a kidnapper in the house. And no offense but who's really gonna break into that house looking for something valuable to take? It clearly wasn't a robbery gone wrong or anything, not that anyone ever threw that into the mix of excuses.

 

[TxLady2]

Watching dad on NG last night really broke my heart. He is a broken up young man and every time we see him, he's a little more haggard, dark circles, old and worn down looking. They've got to find the baby so the family can rest.

While I'm at it, RS ? Angela's stepdad strikes me as a guy who is sincere and wants to believe his child could not hurt her baby . I think he's in denial. I feel a bit bad for him. I understand he lied about the trip to work but I wonder if that is more of a misspeak or a detail that he just didn't find important so it's not all that clear in his mind. I mean he may be an outright liar. Of course I have no idea, but he seems so sincerely upset about missing Elaina that I just think Angela has hoodwinked him and he can't stand the idea of her doing something or knowing something so he's blaming the SK et al instead. I think if most of us had a child accused of such our auto reaction would be No way, not my kid. And he's just sticking to that in the face of mounting evidence that she is responsible for some/most/all of Elaina's whereabouts. I think he will be devastated when he finally is forced to accept that Ang did something. Mooooo

I think most parents would be reluctant to believe their child could hurt or kiilled their own baby. This is a normal reaction, so I'm not going to judge the man for how he feels.

It's possible that Angela did not harm the baby herself, but knows who did. So if drugs were involved, she has been warned not to rat that person out, because the last thing a drug pusher wants is to go to jail. While he is in jail, LE will interrogate him, to find out his source, and if the big guys know he gave them up, his life is toast. Believe me, drug lords will kill anyone who rats on them, it happens every day. Don't underestimate what they are capable of doing. Angela is young and irresponsible, but she could also be very afraid for her life right now.

Sometimes it's just not as cut and dried as people make it out to be. We all like to think that we would do the right thing, even if it implicates our own kids, but when push comes to shove, most of us end up protecting them, that's just human nature.

 

[GGE]

I will never find the post GGE so I'm relying on your amazing memory here. Ferretmommy's post stating that 4yr old said something to the effect of shes' afraid of SK because he threw / dropped 4yrold/elaina on the bed/floor. Please help me with the details of that. The girls were sleeping on the floor ( never mind what a stupid idea to put an 18 mo old to sleep on a floor where they can wander anywhere, SIGH ) initially. Could SK have at that point, putting them to bed done the throwing / dropping ? I understand he may not have done anything to elaina but for this particular theory, could it be? Or possibly Angela did it and then when Elaina cried, to calm down the 4yr old, Ang told her SK did that to Elaina, not me, not your mommy. I hate everything I have to say in this case .

Ferretmommy said that when TJ came to get Terry Sr to be mediator, he left Kylee there with her (Ferretmommy) and Kylee was crying and said she was scared of Steven, but did not say why.

I'll see if I can find the post after my shower. :seeya:

 

[ana]

Took some screencaps from that video (I also haven't heard the audio portion yet) -

Room Elaina was napping in when she went missing:

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O M G

Where in / on was Elaina sleeping! And that stained mattress is struggling to stay on its own base from the mess, even that dirty mattress doesn't want to be in that room! :scared:

 

[GGE]

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Where in / on was Elaina sleeping! And that stained mattress is struggling to stay on its own base from the mess, even that dirty mattress doesn't want to be in that room! :scared:

Article says room has been left untouched, aside from LE searches. I imagine they ransacked the room somewhat... but honestly they searched Baby Lisa's room too and the photos that were released afterwards were NOTHING like this. Nothing. Seriously, mindblowing. Being on an episode of Hoarders is in order for this household, IMO.

 

[andalso]

Is "Christie" the Taco Bell employee, the same Christie E that is MH's sister and JK's niece? She was on MH's search team with SK's sis and mom.

Huh? Wait....rewind please ( I am not all caught up, but getting there).

MH? As in "Mike"? He had a search team??????????

 

[andalso]

GGE:
Your transcribing skills are a talent!! I honestly don't know how you do it, but I'm so glad you do! THANKS!!!

 

[ontariolynn]

I really don't know my feelings on RS he's obviously told some lies I think his excuse of the FBI telling him not to say what AS told him is another lie and his bashing TS Jr is uncalled for. That poor kid has been taking care of the girls and he seems so exhausted and confused. I really think AS has a drug problem and RS may be feeling guilty because he knows and he knows she was putting those poor little girls in harmful situations and more should have been done to keep them away from her. Going on TV and lying and blaming others is not going to solve anything. She is the mother and she had those girls in her care and SHE is responsible! Ugh I am so mad...

I agree, and I am not 100% certain as to exactly what happened to the baby, except to say that she is dead, drugs oh YES!!! The ex boyfriend leaving the house when her husband and the his father returned, I agree he had drugs
and other things in-regards to drugs, and ditched them.
I do have (1) question, has it been proven, that when he picked her up, she had both children, then if the answer is yes, what happened in that house
to cause the baby to die, but who got rid of the baby???

 

[GGE]

Huh? Wait....rewind please ( I am not all caught up, but getting there).

MH? As in "Mike"? He had a search team??????????

Hah! LE is so smart. Good job, giving him that job. I'd totally want to follow him around and see where he avoided searching, too.

Shoot, Angela got to search then she produced the diaper. If MH gets to search maybe he'll produce the baby... or something that leads us to him.

I totally get it, just hope he doesn't get that it's a setup.

Their police scanner has had multiple calls from someone with the female name you mentioned above over the past weeks, but no last name given, but it sure does make me wonder....

 

[GGE]

GGE:
Your transcribing skills are a talent!! I honestly don't know how you do it, but I'm so glad you do! THANKS!!!

Thanks, to you and to EVERYONE who hs thanked me. I click "thanks" on the posts where I'm being thanked but once in awhile it's good to come right out and say I see all of you thanking me and I appreciate it, it makes me smile every time, and that makes it worth it. I just want to help in any way I can, and this is something I can do.

I guess with my big mouth and habit of talking fast I just am well-suited for this kind of thing. If only my fingers could keep up with their mouths on tv! Sure do try though.

 

[SCHMAE]

Article says room has been left untouched, aside from LE searches. I imagine they ransacked the room somewhat... but honestly they searched Baby Lisa's room too and the photos that were released afterwards were NOTHING like this. Nothing. Seriously, mindblowing. Being on an episode of Hoarders is in order for this household, IMO.

This house reminds me of a case that some of you may remember, several months ago. A little really small baby , maybe 6 months or less , was missing. The house was a totally hoarded up mess like this one , probably worse. The baby was finally found in a crate full of quilts, I believe . Does anyone remember that? There was a big deal of how full of crap the house was and how much digging and sifting had to be done to find the baby. I think it was her caretaker or an older aunt who hid the baby. She was in the attic or basement. I just remember at the time seeing the pictures and thinking they were lucky to have found the baby at all.

 

[2girlzmm]

I am sure this has been answered but is JK still helping out in the search. Personally if someone's child went missing from my house 1) I would be beside myself and 2) I would be at every search and doing whatever I could to help.

 

[Hopeful One]

Oh. My. God.

The inside of that house is DISGUSTING. How can people live like that????

Poor Elaina.

 

[andalso]

I will never find the post GGE so I'm relying on your amazing memory here. Ferretmommy's post stating that 4yr old said something to the effect of shes' afraid of SK because he threw / dropped 4yrold/elaina on the bed/floor. Please help me with the details of that. The girls were sleeping on the floor ( never mind what a stupid idea to put an 18 mo old to sleep on a floor where they can wander anywhere, SIGH ) initially. Could SK have at that point, putting them to bed done the throwing / dropping ? I understand he may not have done anything to elaina but for this particular theory, could it be? Or possibly Angela did it and then when Elaina cried, to calm down the 4yr old, Ang told her SK did that to Elaina, not me, not your mommy. I hate everything I have to say in this case .

SCHMAE: BBM: Here is the post you were looking for.

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