GUILTY OH - Elaina Steinfurth, 17 months, Toledo, 2 Jun 2013 - #5

[lonetraveler]

Hi vasportsmom! You're not in the minority to me! Your scenario as to WHY AS went to JK's THAT night makes a whole lot of sense, and I never thought of this in the way you outline it here. I think you just may have come the closest to what may have happened that night. I too think SK helped AS after baby Elaina was harmed. If you're theory is correct, and it sure sounds plausible to me, then JK would have to be arrested on the same charges, as she claimed to be eating Ramen Noodles with baby Elaina at 9:30pm Sat. night. If baby Elaina was hurt or worse by then, JK's story can't be possible. She has to have known something was wrong whether baby Elaina was hurt before or after AS showed up at her house!

Also I remember that the Friday night AS spent the night somewhere else, not at RS's house. And "Frank" said on NG that Sat. evening, AS was calling everyone looking for something, help or something like that, but was unsuccessful. AS must have called SK not long after. I wonder what it was that AS needed so badly that she didn't stay at RS's Friday and Saturday?

So many questions to be answered! And I think we'll get those answers soon now that things are starting to visibly move.

I agree, it is a very plausible theory that AS may have harmed Elaina prior to appearing at the King's residence. I also think that it is nearly impossible for JK to not know what was going on. JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm not sure, but what I will say is that the video of AS and Elaina was kind of strange. At times it seemed like AS had been crying or was crying and then the whole rocking back and forth thing has me thinking too. THat's the kind of thing I do when my child is hurt or I'm upset. Don't get me wrong I'm sure people rock their kids all the time at that age, but it just seemed as though there was something wrong when you look at AS's body language, not to mention she couldn't leave her phone alone. So maybe you guys are on to something. Then if I remember correctly she seems to look down at Elaina as to ask if she was okay. However she could have been saying or doing almost anything I'm just going by what I could see. And I should add that RS is stuck on the whole baby being hurt thing and how AS should have taken her to the dr. If vasportmom is refering to RS possibly hurting her and AS running away then it seems plausible with everything that has been said or done, but I don't think that SK would have covered up for him considering they didn't seem to like each other. The whole damn thing is just so confusing!

And if AS hurt Elaina and brought her to my house I don't know about you but I would have called police or told her to leave. I wouldn't have let her stay there. And why would SK risk himself like that? I just don't get it.

Yep, my worst suspicion is that someone harmed Elaina but there is little, tiny thought at the back of my mind everytime I see the video of Elaina walking around on that high porch, that I just can't get rid of, and that is what if Elaina walked off the porch out of sight of the video surveilance camera? While AS was busy on the phone?

 

[lonetraveler]

Really hoping that the DNA results on the hair comes out this week. It could determine if the story AS told in jail about the baby being thrown into the river, is true or not.

 

[vasportsmom]

Yeah, but why would a man who is not related to you nor is he your boyfriend, Keep such a secret and put his own life in jeopardy? I just can't see where he wouldn't be guilty of something. Why is he running out of backdoors and throwing up when TJ arrives to pick up his kid, not to mention trying to pick a fight with him, even ripping his shirt off? It just makes no sense to me that he could be in any way innocent. I could be wrong, but thats just my take on it all. As for RS I agree he is totally weird and he and AS have a very strange relationship. The claim is that she can't smoke at RS's thats why she went to SK's house. BUt you know what who knows? I've heard some crazy stuff happen.

I'm not certain that he did keep her secret, at all. The way he has been handled by the media and LE has been strange all along. Between the conflicting reports on whether LE knew where he was and the rumors about him being protected combined with him just now being arrested makes me wonder if he hasn't cooperated from the start and it was kept quiet for some reason. I could be wrong but I just feel like he was a handy dandy scapegoat.

 

[Solitaryone]

I'm not sure, but what I will say is that the video of AS and Elaina was kind of strange. At times it seemed like AS had been crying or was crying and then the whole rocking back and forth thing has me thinking too. THat's the kind of thing I do when my child is hurt or I'm upset. Don't get me wrong I'm sure people rock their kids all the time at that age, but it just seemed as though there was something wrong when you look at AS's body language, not to mention she couldn't leave her phone alone. So maybe you guys are on to something. Then if I remember correctly she seems to look down at Elaina as to ask if she was okay. However she could have been saying or doing almost anything I'm just going by what I could see. And I should add that RS is stuck on the whole baby being hurt thing and how AS should have taken her to the dr. If vasportmom is refering to RS possibly hurting her and AS running away then it seems plausible with everything that has been said or done, but I don't think that SK would have covered up for him considering they didn't seem to like each other. The whole damn thing is just so confusing!

And if AS hurt Elaina and brought her to my house I don't know about you but I would have called police or told her to leave. I wouldn't have let her stay there. And why would SK risk himself like that? I just don't get it.

I don't think anyone here thinks RS did anything to baby Elaina, but did AS tell RS a lot more than what we heard him say in public? Or did AS lie to RS about what happened? I don't know, but RS is the one who said AS told him that SK and Mike took baby Elaina. I do wonder what role if any Mike had. He was there that Sunday according to JK. About that video,I really don't know what to make of it. "Frank" said that AS was desperate for some kind of help which was not specified, and AS was calling everyone she knew for help. About what and if related, we don't know. BUT, then AS HAD to have called JK shortly after she made these calls, or at least in the same time frame, because SK picked her and the kids up. From where we don't know, but probably around where RS and "Frank" live. To me, baby Elaina looked ok in the video. But what happened between that video footage and when SK, AS and the kids got to JK's? Why did AS say that she couldn't stay at RS's? Why did AS say that she had a problem only SK could help her with? To me, whatever happened to baby Elaina could have happened shortly before she,the kids and SK arrived at JK's or after. I hope we find out before AS and SK's next court dates exactly what happened, why, and where baby Elaina is.

I hear you on how confusing this all is! And very frustrating too!

 

[Solitaryone]

I'm not certain that he did keep her secret, at all. The way he has been handled by the media and LE has been strange all along. Between the conflicting reports on whether LE knew where he was and the rumors about him being protected combined with him just now being arrested makes me wonder if he hasn't cooperated from the start and it was kept quiet for some reason. I could be wrong but I just feel like he was a handy dandy scapegoat.

I think SK at the very least knew what happened and helped AS cover it up and dispose of baby Elaina. That makes them equally guilty to me, even if SK didn't directly harm baby Elaina. But I do think he will cooperate now that his a$$ is sitting in jail for the same charges AS is!

 

[krig101]

I think that the reason Angela said "now we'll find out where she is" when she found out SK was arrested is simple.

When TJ came to pick Elaina up the day she went missing, Angela was heard crying "if he takes her, I'll never see her again". Some speculated at that time, that SK was leaving with Elaina to put her someplace, and Angela was saying once SK left with E., she would never see her again. (As opposed to being referring to TJ, who had no reason at that time to try to keep Angela from Elaina 'forever' anyhow).

In that context, Angela feared she would never see Elaina again once SK left the house with her, and once she heard SK was arrested she reacted by saying "now we'll find out where she is!"

To me, these statements are totally consistent with one another.

I agree!

 

[krig101]

Really hoping that the DNA results on the hair comes out this week. It could determine if the story AS told in jail about the baby being thrown into the river, is true or not.

There was an article yesterday in The Toledo Blade that results are expected in this week. Very anxious to hear!

 

[vasportsmom]

I think SK at the very least knew what happened and helped AS cover it up and dispose of baby Elaina. That makes them equally guilty to me, even if SK didn't directly harm baby Elaina. But I do think he will cooperate now that his a$$ is sitting in jail for the same charges AS is!

I agree. I feel certain that he was involved in the cover up and probably has a lot of the answers but I think Elaina was harmed before she went to the King home that night. IMO whatever happened to our girl was at the hands of her mother and the decision to flee to the King home was a calculated one (and I don't think AS came up with it on her own).

I want to know if TJ had made any noise about custody or court prior to the weekend visit or if there was any reason to question the paternity of Elaina. There are some strange relationship dynamics in this case and one in particular strikes me as very unusual and inappropriate.

 

[SCHMAE]

re schmae "why isn't that a crime?"

maybe because there is no victims' bill of rights? Because there is nothing on paper to guarantee that victims also have the right to a speedy resolution of such painful circumstances? Maybe because victims are so often portrayed negatively as having somehow to bear responsibility for the actions of those perpetrating crimes, that legislators don't see a need to focus on creating remedies for their pain?

Maybe because legislators on all levels are more concerned with keeping their hold on power than in fulfilling their responsibilities to all the people in their districts, especially children who most need the protection of the law?

if, for every hour as or sk refused to give information regarding es's whereabouts to authorities they had a year tacked onto their sentence, would that be an incentive for them to speak? would being forced to come before a judicial panel every day, or every few hours be an incentive to face the truth of their own actions or make them feel the need to explain where the baby is?

This cruelty by as and sk, and possibly mh and jk, towards all those who love elaina beyond my understanding.

Thanks for your patience with my venting.
My thoughts are with ferretmommy and her family.

bbm i love this !

 

[Heroine]

I don't think anyone here thinks RS did anything to baby Elaina, but did AS tell RS a lot more than what we heard him say in public? Or did AS lie to RS about what happened? I don't know, but RS is the one who said AS told him that SK and Mike took baby Elaina. I do wonder what role if any Mike had. He was there that Sunday according to JK. About that video,I really don't know what to make of it. "Frank" said that AS was desperate for some kind of help which was not specified, and AS was calling everyone she knew for help. About what and if related, we don't know. BUT, then AS HAD to have called JK shortly after she made these calls, or at least in the same time frame, because SK picked her and the kids up. From where we don't know, but probably around where RS and "Frank" live. To me, baby Elaina looked ok in the video. But what happened between that video footage and when SK, AS and the kids got to JK's? Why did AS say that she couldn't stay at RS's? Why did AS say that she had a problem only SK could help her with? To me, whatever happened to baby Elaina could have happened shortly before she,the kids and SK arrived at JK's or after. I hope we find out before AS and SK's next court dates exactly what happened, why, and where baby Elaina is.

I hear you on how confusing this all is! And very frustrating too!

Yeah but could the help she needed have been nothing more than drugs? Maybe that's why only he could help her with it? She already said she couldn't smoke at RS's so you know darn well she couldn't smoke marijuana at his house.

 

[Solitaryone]

I agree. I feel certain that he was involved in the cover up and probably has a lot of the answers but I think Elaina was harmed before she went to the King home that night. IMO whatever happened to our girl was at the hands of her mother and the decision to flee to the King home was a calculated one (and I don't think AS came up with it on her own).

I want to know if TJ had made any noise about custody or court prior to the weekend visit or if there was any reason to question the paternity of Elaina. There are some strange relationship dynamics in this case and one in particular strikes me as very unusual and inappropriate.

You know, the last paragraph in your post reminded me of something. I'm not sure, but wasn't AS and TJ's anniverary June 4th? Does anyone know what date AS and TJ were married?

 

[ACandyRose]

Trying to catch up and I just realized that I'm in the minority here. I honestly don't think SK is guilty of anything other than helping to cover up Angela's actions. I do not believe that he harmed our sweet girl. I have a feeling that Elaina was already injured when Angela made that call to JK in desperate need of a place to stay that night and she fled to the King home because of the sheer number of scape goats. On another note, RS gives me the creeps and it was his home that Angela fled from with the girls ... Why?

I'm not responding to your post to change your theory but the timeline of events do tell otherwise.

Saturday, June 1, 2013

06/01/2013 (06:35:30pm - 06:38:24pm): Surveillance video at "Frank's house" shows Angela and Elaina on porch.

06/01/2013 (00:00:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Surveillance video "extended version" shows Elaina walking and running on porch at "Frank's house" and there is no evidence showing Elaina is injured.

06/01/2013 (00:00:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Angela told Frank she couldn't stay at her father's house because she was a smoker.

06/01/2013 (06:30:00pm - 07:00:00pm): Julie King said Angela called her asking if she and the children could sleep over.

06/01/2013 (00:00:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Julie King said she ate Ramen Noodles with Elaina Saturday evening.

06/01/2013 (09:30:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Julie King said last time she seen Elaina was around 9:30pm Saturday.

06/01/2013 (09:30:00pm - 10:00:00pm): Christy Edmonds (on Nancy Grace) said her Aunt Julie King went to bed between 9:30pm and 10:00pm.

06/01/2013 (00:00:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Christy Edmonds (on Nancy Grace) said Steven King and Angela were the last to see Elaina on Saturday.

06/01/2013 (00:00:00pm - 00:00:00pm): Christy Edmonds (on Nancy Grace) said her cousin, Steven King did not see a black eye or bloody nose on Elaina.

Sunday, June 2, 2013

06/02/2013 (08:30:00am - 09:00:00am): Christy Edmonds (on Nancy Grace) said her cousin, Steven King said Elaina woke up, playing with her toys like any other morning.

06/02/2013 (07:00:00am - 09:45:00am): Gas-N-Go Convenient store clerk said Angela and Elaina came into the store.

06/02/2013 (07:00:00am - 09:45:00am): Gas-N-Go Convenient store clerk said she didn't see black eye or blood on Elaina.

06/02/2013 (12:00:00pm - 12:30:00pm): Julie King said Angela changed Elaina's diaper, gave her a cup, laid her down for a nap.

06/02/2013 (12:00:00pm - 12:30:00pm): Julie King said her son Steven seen Elaina about 12:30pm on Sunday.

06/02/2013 (02:00:00pm - 03:00:00pm): TJ Steinfurth showed up at King's house, Angela gave him Kylee but refused to give her Elaina claiming she was napping.

This is the timeline of who, what, when, where, and why between 6:35pm on June 1st, and 2:00pm on June 2nd. Elaina was seen by at least FOUR different people (Frank, Julie King, Steven King, & Convenient store clerk), all of which, NONE of them witnessed any injuries, blood or black eye on Elaina, and this included what Steven King told his cousin, Christy Edmonds that "Steven King did not see a black eye or blood on Elaina."

This list doesn't even include Angela (the Mother), who claims she knows nothing. Including Angela would mean FIVE people seen Elaina on Sunday morning.

So if everybody is telling the truth, then this means baby Elaina was injured, to include a black eye and bloody nose, at the King House sometime between 12:00pm noon and 2:00pm on Sunday, June 2nd when TJ showed up at the King house.

THAT is two hour window for the child to be injured and to disappear.

Angela did not have a car, nor did she drive. The only vehicle at the King house was Steven's Van. So if Steven wasn't responsible for the injury, or responsible for even helping Angela, then it was somebody else in THAT HOUSE !! Or a LOT of people are doing a LOT of LYING!!

ACR

 

[Solitaryone]

There was the neighbor who said he saw SK and AS leave about midnight in the van and return 15-20 minutes later. The store clerk's account hasn't been verified has it? The surveillance cameras were reported to not be working during that time period AS would have been there. I don't know what to make of that. Could the store clerk have really seen AS and baby Elaina that Sun. morning? Or could she have her days confused? I hope we find out. And AS and SK went to the dollar store that Sunday too. Wasn't there another store they went to that day too? And was baby Elaina with AS and SK when they went to these stores? I bet she wasn't! To me everything leads to whatever happened taking place at JK's.

 

[krig101]

http://www.13abc.com/story/22922502...urt-to-hire-private-eye#.UfAv-sIeKJU.facebook

"The mother of a missing Toledo toddler wants a private investigator to look into her case.

Angela Steinfurth is charged with obstructing justice. She was back in court Wednesday morning for a pre-trial hearing.

Police say she lied to investigators looking into the disappearance of 18-month-old Elaina Steinfurth.

We've learned Angela has asked the court to pay $1,000 to hire the private investigator.

Court documents show the defense is claiming the private eye is needed for counsel to properly prepare for trial.

Steven King, Steinfurth's ex-boyfriend, appeared before a judge on obstruction charges on Tuesday."


Explains the question we all had the other day on the docket entry regarding an investigator......

 

[tgirl1130]

Re Heroine's "Where is AS's mother? Have we ever seen her? I just don't remember her ever being mentioned."

In interviews, Angela's half-sister, Mary Schiewe, has said that their mother married RS when Angela was little over a year old, and was never much of a part of their lives. RS was the stable parent for the two girls as they grew up.

To further paraphrase, Mary said that, when Angela was 16, she renewed and kept up contact with Lisa Mories Schiewe, but that LMS was distant. In an article in The Blade, journalist Mike Sigov reports that when AS left JK's house in duress (a week or so before the "disappearance"), she went to LMS's house, but there was no room for her two daughters. So they ended up in a place that police said was unfit for human habitation.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-F...n-families-as-friends-assist-with-search.html

A woman answering LMS's phone refused to speak to The Blade.

It sounds like business as usual with LMS.

How very sad that we all might not even be here if that woman could've found room in her home for two little babies. I would open my door to any child in need and she couldn't even for her own grandchildren? My mother would've given her life for her grandchildren..

 

[vasportsmom]

How very sad that we all might not even be here if that woman could've found room in her home for two little babies. I would open my door to any child in need and she couldn't even for her own grandchildren? My mother would've given her life for her grandchildren..

AS is not exactly a reliable narrator so I don't think we should bash her mom based on her word alone. JMO and I will stop white knighting now.

 

[menmo]

AS is not exactly a reliable narrator so I don't think we should bash her mom based on her word alone. JMO and I will stop white knighting now.

I was just coming to say the same.
I'm not going to beat this woman up until I know all of the story.
I don't trust a word out of AS mouth. She seems to be in the CYA mode.
It's all about what AS wanted/wants. To me she went there for the explicit purpose of hooking up again with SK and partying.
MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

I was just coming to say the same.
I'm not going to beat this woman up until I know all of the story.
I don't trust a word out of AS mouth. She seems to be in the CYA mode.
It's all about what AS wanted/wants. To me she went there for the explicit purpose of hooking up again with SK and partying.
MOO

(Going off your post but not directed at you)
Back to white knighting but even if AS *gasp* told the truth, it was hardly her job to house and feed her grown daughter and her kids. We have no idea what AS was like to live with but odds are high that she was capable of creating a toxic environment wherever she went. Nobody should be blamed for not hosting that sort of stress and chaos.

 

[tgirl1130]

I would never say no to the children. Maybe the parent, but never the children.